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 2013-08-23 12:51 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Regular  5477    LHOTP |  Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPENOriginally posted by Jason N As soon as I realized I could place in my AG it became about racing. Though in a more competitive field--no chance of placing, like, AGN--I just race my own race.Originally posted by Experior So I have a question for the group: When (if ever) did racing cease to become a personal time trial and start to become a race? Here's what I mean. When I started racing, I had very little sense where I was in the field, nor did I particularly care, at least during the race. I did my thing, and went home. The first time I won my AG I had no idea, and had left before the awards ceremony. Fast forward... In a race, I generally have a very good idea where I am in the field, while biking and running I do mental arithmetic to sort out what finishing places are possible, and it is definitely not a personal time trial -- I will use race tactics where I can to improve my finishing place, regardless of their effect on my finishing time. (This shift in approach is not necessarily a good thing.) Have any of you experienced this shift in attitude? When? What brought it on? Do you think it is a positive development? For triathlons...it hasn't really happened for me other than one race where I was really close to a few of my buddies in a HIM. I caught up to two of them, ran their pace for a couple of miles, then purposely made a move to drop them with 5k to go. It was an awesome feeling to have some tactics thrown in there and I wish I could get a tiny bit faster on my run so that I can use it more often in local racing. But as for the bike racing I do...it's all about racing for position, and sometimes going for broke. |
| 2013-08-23 12:55 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Elite 7783  PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by bzgl40 Doh, I am starting to build up my run volume again, slowly but surely, now that the job front has somewhat settled a bit and things are a tiny bit more structured. But I really need to pay better attention to my weekly mileage. Who stops at 19.95 Mi? lol What's the issue? How close it is to 20? It might seem trivial here, but I run what I'm supposed to and that's that. This kind of thinking has lead into chasing numbers before. I stopped chasing numbers too. Except for the last run of the month I might take a look. If I need to run an extra couple of mins to hit a number I will. Not going to go anything significant though. |
| 2013-08-23 12:56 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Flurry of posts! First - to reiterate the question: where should I keep power files? I use GC, TP, Strava (BT doesn't seem to take them) currently. Do you also archive on a computer or such? As for racing v. TT, the overall race for me is a TT, but this season I've been "racing" some in the swim and run when able. I started going hard and finding feet, switching feet when someone faster was in reach, accelerating mid-swim to drop someone on my feet, etc. On the run, I have been tactical in 3 of my 5 tris (one sprint, one Oly, one HIM) to gain between one and 3 AG spots higher. In the other two races, I just ran steady as no one was in front or behind (and so prolly finished a minute slower than I could have, so lower in the overall but no delta in my AG). Of note, when I race a given leg, I'm usually faster than just TT'ing it (I can bury myself to respond to the direct challenge better). The bike, for me, is always a TT. If I go with someone who passes me, I figure I'm toast on the run. Might be different in my next race if one of my buddies passes me, though. And as for off season training and how to get better on the bike, etc.? All I can say is, "CRAP!" You guys are making me realize that even a structured plan like Friel's Your Best Triathlon (which I used this year) probably isn't good enough... Might have to get Shane's number! I do feel like I trained well this year, but not near ideally... Happy with it for a first season, but want to optimize better this next year. Matt |
| 2013-08-23 1:00 PM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Here's a question for the bike folk. Attaching a picture (didn't even see this photographer, so a true indication of what my form looks like - no prettying up for the camera!) and wondering what y'all think of the fit. I always hear that seats are too low, but I actually moved mine up almost a cm from where the fitter had it (knees were in my chest and even with a dropped heel could barely straighten my leg at the bottom). Also dropped my cockpit ~2cm, but that was over the course of a couple months... This look about right? I know you can't make any "real" calls on fit from this, but just wondering about your gestalt of how it looks... Matt (0439_27654.jpg) (0439_27653.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 0439_27654.jpg (2417KB - 8 downloads) 0439_27653.jpg (2571KB - 10 downloads) |
| 2013-08-23 1:02 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by brigby1 Kind of glad you said it first, but did notice that Jorge's program did seem like it was too easy to keep on building fitness. I couldn't see how the overall stress would be enough to keep building off of. And speaking of the additional work, I have noticed that more in Training & Racing with a Powermeter. Some things will be like 3 x 20' sweet spot (essentially 90% give or take) and then 45' at 85-90%. It's not just a concise set of little intervals. I think it's a good "introduction to training with power" program. |
| 2013-08-23 1:23 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by axteraa Neil, I was thinking about the discussion about bike improvement, Jorge's program and just plain not working hard enough and I realized that I had some similar data to look at and compare. I followed Jorge's program for two winters, I think it's a good program to start out with but after working with Shane for the past year I realize now that I could have been working a lot harder. I went back and looked at my logs from when I was following Jorge's program and from a quick look it seems that the workouts were typically in the 50-70 TSS range for the workouts during the week - sometimes higher but not the norm for sure. Another quick look at my logs from the past year shows that my workouts were usually more in the 85-110 TSS range. Seeing that, I would say that Jorge's program is good for a beginner program but now that you've been through it a few times it has probably reached it's limit of what it will do for you (as you are finding out). The structure of the workouts from the program and what I have been doing are pretty similar from a high level in that there are only so many ways to do 5 x 5 or 3 x 8 etc but then Shane would tack on an extra 10 mins of work. So as an example Jorge's program would be 5 x 5 @ 265w with 1:30 recovery and then cooldown. Shane would have me do 5 x 5 @ 265w with 1:30 recovery, 5' easy, 10' @ 255-260 and then cooldown. That extra 10 mins was often the toughest part of the workout and I think made a big difference for me from both a physical and mental toughness aspect. I agree with this 100%. I've known that Jorge's workouts had become too light and in some cases where he would have tacked on an extra 10-15min at 75%, I'd ride that at 80-85%, but it still may not be enough. As for the bolded part, that's just cause Shane doesn't like you.  |
| 2013-08-23 1:30 PM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Here's a question for the bike folk. Attaching a picture (didn't even see this photographer, so a true indication of what my form looks like - no prettying up for the camera!) and wondering what y'all think of the fit. I always hear that seats are too low, but I actually moved mine up almost a cm from where the fitter had it (knees were in my chest and even with a dropped heel could barely straighten my leg at the bottom). Also dropped my cockpit ~2cm, but that was over the course of a couple months... This look about right? I know you can't make any "real" calls on fit from this, but just wondering about your gestalt of how it looks... Matt I'm sure the others can chime in, but to me your position looks pretty good. My only comment (with very limited ability to analyze someone's position), is that your position may be able to come forward a bit, so your arms are more in a 45 degree position. That said, I know you raced Timberman so if you were on an incline when the photo was taken, I would expect your position to slid back a bit. I have long gangly legs - it's tough for me to get flat like you've managed to do. |
| 2013-08-23 1:36 PM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Matt, I would classify that as "pretty darn good". You even did the skewers pointing back thing. How do you like those shoes? |
| 2013-08-23 1:39 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... So Chris is wearing my Garmin tracker this weekend for Whistler. As a result I get to spy on him. He just drove to Whistler from Vancouver and is in the parking lot of the lake for where the swim is.  |
| 2013-08-23 2:03 PM in reply to: axteraa |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by bzgl40 Doh, I am starting to build up my run volume again, slowly but surely, now that the job front has somewhat settled a bit and things are a tiny bit more structured. But I really need to pay better attention to my weekly mileage. Who stops at 19.95 Mi? lol What's the issue? How close it is to 20? It might seem trivial here, but I run what I'm supposed to and that's that. This kind of thinking has lead into chasing numbers before. I stopped chasing numbers too. Except for the last run of the month I might take a look. If I need to run an extra couple of mins to hit a number I will. Not going to go anything significant though. I was mostly kidding. I often don't even look at my watch until after I stop it and often stop on something like #.9 |
| 2013-08-23 2:04 PM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Without measuring I found your seat a little low. It's from an angle, but I wonder if seat isn't still a bit low. it would be better to look properly from the side.  |
| 2013-08-23 2:08 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by axteraa So Chris is wearing my Garmin tracker this weekend for Whistler. As a result I get to spy on him. He just drove to Whistler from Vancouver and is in the parking lot of the lake for where the swim is. WTH is a "Garmin Tracker"? This technology creeps me out a bit... NOT that you're a creeper, Arend, just that it's, well, got high creeper potential. What's it supposed to be used for other than stalking our friends at races? |
| 2013-08-23 2:14 PM in reply to: switch |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by switch Originally posted by axteraa So Chris is wearing my Garmin tracker this weekend for Whistler. As a result I get to spy on him. He just drove to Whistler from Vancouver and is in the parking lot of the lake for where the swim is. WTH is a "Garmin Tracker"? This technology creeps me out a bit... NOT that you're a creeper, Arend, just that it's, well, got high creeper potential. What's it supposed to be used for other than stalking our friends at races? Yes he is. And that's basically the whole point of it, to be able to track someone. |
| 2013-08-23 2:16 PM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 First - to reiterate the question: where should I keep power files? I use GC, TP, Strava (BT doesn't seem to take them) currently. Do you also archive on a computer or such? If you are using the Premium version of TP, that is a great place to store them. It's really easy to get them out and put on a local disk or other program if needed. I have mine in TP and in a directory on dropbox. |
| 2013-08-23 2:20 PM in reply to: ligersandtions |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by ligersandtions And this is surely a silly question, but where do you keep your power files? All I know how to do at the moment is upload my workouts to Garmin Connect. I'm assuming that's not what you mean by keeping it in an organized place, filed away. Maybe TP or GC has a place to file them? I currently have three rides with the PM, and have been meaning to look into TP/GC, but have been crazy busy at work... Not a silly question. The problem with Garmin Connect is it's hard to get them out in bulk to load into another program. What kind of head unit do you use to record your sessions ? |
| 2013-08-23 2:32 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by switch Originally posted by axteraa So Chris is wearing my Garmin tracker this weekend for Whistler. As a result I get to spy on him. He just drove to Whistler from Vancouver and is in the parking lot of the lake for where the swim is. WTH is a "Garmin Tracker"? This technology creeps me out a bit... NOT that you're a creeper, Arend, just that it's, well, got high creeper potential. What's it supposed to be used for other than stalking our friends at races? Yes he is. And that's basically the whole point of it, to be able to track someone. Hahahaha...wait, wtf? Not like. NOT LIKE! |
| 2013-08-23 2:40 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by switch Originally posted by axteraa So Chris is wearing my Garmin tracker this weekend for Whistler. As a result I get to spy on him. He just drove to Whistler from Vancouver and is in the parking lot of the lake for where the swim is. WTH is a "Garmin Tracker"? This technology creeps me out a bit... NOT that you're a creeper, Arend, just that it's, well, got high creeper potential. What's it supposed to be used for other than stalking our friends at races? Yes he is. And that's basically the whole point of it, to be able to track someone. Yup, it's a Garmin GTU-10. I bought it so my wife would have some idea where I was when out on long rides/runs etc and also for races. Great for long distance racing because she knew exactly (well within a few mins) when I would be back in transition, at the finish etc. They are country specific so I offered it to Chris for Whistler because I was originally thinking I would be doing a race in the US this weekend. I can only stalk him because it belongs to me and I have the password for the account. No one else can do so - other than his wife who has the iphone app for it (and the username/pwd). |
| 2013-08-23 2:41 PM in reply to: marcag |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 First - to reiterate the question: where should I keep power files? I use GC, TP, Strava (BT doesn't seem to take them) currently. Do you also archive on a computer or such? If you are using the Premium version of TP, that is a great place to store them. It's really easy to get them out and put on a local disk or other program if needed. I have mine in TP and in a directory on dropbox. I have mine in a Google Drive folder, GC and TP. |
| 2013-08-23 2:45 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by axteraa OK, this makes sense now. I knew it would. Really :) I could see it being really cool for all that--especially race tracking! Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by switch Originally posted by axteraa So Chris is wearing my Garmin tracker this weekend for Whistler. As a result I get to spy on him. He just drove to Whistler from Vancouver and is in the parking lot of the lake for where the swim is. WTH is a "Garmin Tracker"? This technology creeps me out a bit... NOT that you're a creeper, Arend, just that it's, well, got high creeper potential. What's it supposed to be used for other than stalking our friends at races? Yes he is. And that's basically the whole point of it, to be able to track someone. Yup, it's a Garmin GTU-10. I bought it so my wife would have some idea where I was when out on long rides/runs etc and also for races. Great for long distance racing because she knew exactly (well within a few mins) when I would be back in transition, at the finish etc. They are country specific so I offered it to Chris for Whistler because I was originally thinking I would be doing a race in the US this weekend. I can only stalk him because it belongs to me and I have the password for the account. No one else can do so - other than his wife who has the iphone app for it (and the username/pwd). |
| 2013-08-23 2:48 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by axteraa I have mine in a Google Drive folder, GC and TP. Can you export them with the free version of TP ? Do you keep your runs in GC ? I find GC is weak for running analysis. |
| 2013-08-23 2:58 PM in reply to: axteraa |
| Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by switch Originally posted by axteraa So Chris is wearing my Garmin tracker this weekend for Whistler. As a result I get to spy on him. He just drove to Whistler from Vancouver and is in the parking lot of the lake for where the swim is. WTH is a "Garmin Tracker"? This technology creeps me out a bit... NOT that you're a creeper, Arend, just that it's, well, got high creeper potential. What's it supposed to be used for other than stalking our friends at races? Yes he is. And that's basically the whole point of it, to be able to track someone. Yup, it's a Garmin GTU-10. I bought it so my wife would have some idea where I was when out on long rides/runs etc and also for races. Great for long distance racing because she knew exactly (well within a few mins) when I would be back in transition, at the finish etc. They are country specific so I offered it to Chris for Whistler because I was originally thinking I would be doing a race in the US this weekend. I can only stalk him because it belongs to me and I have the password for the account. No one else can do so - other than his wife who has the iphone app for it (and the username/pwd). Awesome. Thanks Arend for volunteering to post updates of Chris' progress every 5 minutes for us all. |
| 2013-08-23 3:12 PM in reply to: marcag |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Without measuring I found your seat a little low. It's from an angle, but I wonder if seat isn't still a bit low. it would be better to look properly from the side. Awesome - very cool to see. Makes sense, as it still feels a little low. Kinda gets my azz, as three fitters have come up with 3 different fits (whom to believe? got me) and I've been messing about to make it "feel right." Which I know is at least a venial sin, perhaps cardinal... Well, looks like I'll be going back to the one who had it a bit higher and letting him give it a go for next season (he's considered THE tri-guy round these parts anywho)... unless I get a new bike, that is. I was going to try the seat about 3/4 cm higher (sounds less dweeby than 7.5mm, but hey) and a touch forward anyway, so I'll give that a shot and see how it feels for now. And, yes, I recognize that your comment isn't the same as getting a fit - no worries and many thanks!
Matt
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| 2013-08-23 3:17 PM in reply to: GoFaster |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by GoFaster Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 I'm sure the others can chime in, but to me your position looks pretty good. My only comment (with very limited ability to analyze someone's position), is that your position may be able to come forward a bit, so your arms are more in a 45 degree position. That said, I know you raced Timberman so if you were on an incline when the photo was taken, I would expect your position to slid back a bit. I have long gangly legs - it's tough for me to get flat like you've managed to do. Here's a question for the bike folk. Attaching a picture (didn't even see this photographer, so a true indication of what my form looks like - no prettying up for the camera!) and wondering what y'all think of the fit. I always hear that seats are too low, but I actually moved mine up almost a cm from where the fitter had it (knees were in my chest and even with a dropped heel could barely straighten my leg at the bottom). Also dropped my cockpit ~2cm, but that was over the course of a couple months... This look about right? I know you can't make any "real" calls on fit from this, but just wondering about your gestalt of how it looks... Matt Thanks - feels like I'm a little back on the seat, as well, but that's a lot to do with trying not to get impaled and getting my sit bones on the right part of the saddle. I think it needs to come forward a touch (and as you point out, my arms would suggest the same - I think). As for gangly legs, I wish. A Navy flight surgeon once measured me (another fitting of sorts - long story) and commented after seeing that my seated height was ~6'2" but standing only ~5'8" or so, "Son, god cheated you out of your legs, but at least you won't break them both when you eject." So I have that going for me, which is nice... Matt |
| 2013-08-23 3:20 PM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Originally posted by marcag I was going to try the seat about 3/4 cm higher (sounds less dweeby than 7.5mm, but hey) and a touch forward anyway Couple of things. When I have my crank at 6 o'clock, unclipped, and I put my heel on the pedal, my leg is almost straight. Maybe a slight bend at the knee. If you have a good bend, that's a sign it's too low When you ride, if your hips are rocking, it's too high. Best is to get a video direct from the side. Edited by marcag 2013-08-23 3:21 PM |
| 2013-08-23 3:20 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again... Originally posted by axteraa Matt, I would classify that as "pretty darn good". You even did the skewers pointing back thing. How do you like those shoes? My "Pope Shoes"? Love 'em. Been riding in them on both the tri and road bike since last fall. Nice stiff sole, very easy to clip to the bike for T1 and set up nicely to do so. Easy to get the foot in and tighten with the boa. REALLY nice in a sprint or Oly to be able to do that. Only thing I don't like is that the forefoot is adjustable only with a velcro strap, which limits the fit relative to a nice road-specific shoe. Otherwise, I have really liked them. Matt |
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