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 2015-08-12 11:25 AM in reply to: amd723 |
 Seattle |  Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?)Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed What a mess. The whole sponsor thing is bad enough but to then send dopers instead?! I am a firm believer in no tolerance. Convicted once, you're done. Anyone been following Symmonds? How about the IAAF drug cheats athletes list about to drop?
Nick Symmonds is living out his convictions, and that is to be commended, since it is the "right" thing to do. I'm not sure how many of us do that to that level. I think I have given up on the "drugs in sports" discussion. I've done enough wrong in my life that I realize the value of a second chance. I also am not living my life in the public eye, nor do I have that kind of pressure to perform. We all have job pressure, but I wonder at what level does doing the wrong, yet easy(probably not the right word) thing, become something we would look at? It is easy for many of us to say we'd never do it, but we really aren't in that type of environment. I'm not sure that the punishment of no participation ever is "fair", but I also know that "fair" is not what was done in the first place either. When our kids were growing up, we often spoke of action and consequence. That applies here somehow, I'm just not sure how long a punishment is long enough. I do know this. You can please some of the people some of the time, but EVERYONE will never happen. And to a certain degree, aren't both of these topics really the same? Aren't we speaking of simply doing the right thing? This may be a stretch, but if we are discussing doing the right thing, shouldn't we hold those other Brooks, Asics, New Balance, etc sponsored athletes up to Nick's example of accountability in the same way we hold the drug users accountable? I realize that the drugs are a written rule that was broken. I also realize that the sponsorship discussion is completely different. But is it? Is it black and white, or shades of gray? In so far as Nike is concerned, IMO, they are wrong and I really am disgusted with them in all of this. So what do I do with that conviction? I know what my answer is, I'd love to see some others input on that. Great points Chris. I'm not opposed to second chances, per se. The question is, however, how long after they finish doping are they still receiving the benefits? Some say as much as ten years. In my line of work, in addition to incarceration, we try to take away the benefits of the crime (although congress continues to make that harder) because otherwise they serve their time but still enjoy the profits of the crime. I see doping much the same. If we ban them for 2 years, when they come back are they still reaping the benefit of the doping? As for Nike, I don't know what their agreement is with USAT. If USAT told them they get A, B and C then I can't fault them for expecting A, B and C. Just how much did USAT give up in that deal, and did they have the right to do so? Nike and USAT seem to make great bedfellows and unfortunately the athletes and their sponsors get the short end of the stick. Not sure what the answer is because that contract with Nike has a looooong period of time yet left on it. TJ, when I read your original post about no second chances and then Chris's take on second chances I immediately thought the difference in the two stances are based upon the person's line of work/life experience. You and I see and deal with people who constantly reap the benefit of criminal behavior. We also know that the crime for which we've caught and are now punishing the person is not the first time he or she has ever committed a crime. If it is, they are the most unlucky criminal ever!! So, it is hard for us - I think- to be quick to extend a "second" chance to someone. Certainly, people can and do change and as a society we are big on second chances, but they should be earned and the person should not still be reaping the benefit of his or her bad behavior. All this said from the a jaded person's point of view I am definitely one for giving seconds chances but not in this case. I think there should be a strictly enforced 0 tolerance. Period. Don't leave any room for ambiguity. |
| 2015-08-12 11:25 AM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Pro  6520   Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Stacey I thought of you when I saw this on FB. A mastiff with a wig BTW I love this. I really, really want to get our cat shaved like a lion My daughter has a scruffy, little poodle mix rescue dog that only has one eye (his name is Patches). He is about a foot long but thinks he is a lion. He is sporting a head to tail mohawk for the summer. Wish I had a picture to share as he is just a bad azz little dude. |
| 2015-08-12 11:32 AM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Stacey I thought of you when I saw this on FB. A mastiff with a wig BTW I love this. I really, really want to get our cat shaved like a lion I loved your video of Stevie at top speed. Our pit mix does not move quickly but is pretty proud of himself when he runs. (The other two, OTOH, were built for speed) |
| 2015-08-12 11:36 AM in reply to: popsracer |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) I hit last years total swim yardage yesterday. Not huge volume but the increase has sure made a difference. This afternoon is a rare round of golf. Playing in a small tournament with some work buddies. Sometimes I miss all the other things I used to do. |
| 2015-08-12 2:54 PM in reply to: popsracer |
Member 2689  Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by popsracer Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Stacey I thought of you when I saw this on FB. A mastiff with a wig BTW I love this. I really, really want to get our cat shaved like a lion My daughter has a scruffy, little poodle mix rescue dog that only has one eye (his name is Patches). He is about a foot long but thinks he is a lion. He is sporting a head to tail mohawk for the summer. Wish I had a picture to share as he is just a bad azz little dude. So awesome!! I have to admit, I always feel a little sorry for the lion-cut cats. They always look so PO'd about the situation. |
| 2015-08-12 3:50 PM in reply to: laffinrock |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by popsracer Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Stacey I thought of you when I saw this on FB. A mastiff with a wig BTW I love this. I really, really want to get our cat shaved like a lion My daughter has a scruffy, little poodle mix rescue dog that only has one eye (his name is Patches). He is about a foot long but thinks he is a lion. He is sporting a head to tail mohawk for the summer. Wish I had a picture to share as he is just a bad azz little dude. So awesome!! I have to admit, I always feel a little sorry for the lion-cut cats. They always look so PO'd about the situation. Don't feel sorry for them. Generally two reasons to do so: they are super matted--matts are very uncomfortable, and combing them all out would be mean. The other reason is that they are ummmmmm large in addition to being hairy and they are hot and/or can't groom themselves properly. Dirty hoo-haws make fastidious creatures sad. |
| 2015-08-13 3:28 AM in reply to: rrrunner |
Veteran 2441 Western Australia | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by rrrunner It is a great picture isn't it. However I can guarantee that if I tried it on our dogs it would end up in tiny little pieces all over the back yard. Stacey I thought of you when I saw this on FB. A mastiff with a wig |
| 2015-08-13 8:06 AM in reply to: StaceyK |
Veteran 1100 Dayton | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Hey guys! Proof of life post, I guess. Been racing lots this summer with a number of Olys. Shooting to take a series win overall for my age group. Hope everyone's doing well. |
| 2015-08-13 9:41 AM in reply to: ponderingfox |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by ponderingfox Hey guys! Proof of life post, I guess. Been racing lots this summer with a number of Olys. Shooting to take a series win overall for my age group. Hope everyone's doing well. Welcome back. Congrats on the races. Go get 'em on that series!!!!! |
| 2015-08-13 11:34 AM in reply to: rrrunner |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Went to HH yesterday and locked my bike to my friends bike with my crappy bike lock. When it was time to leave, my key broke off in the lock. It was about 6:10 pm. We looked up the local bike shop, it closed at 6:00. We called anyway and they said if I could come right away they would help up. I sprinted through the city in my work clothes (it was about 6 blocks away.) The bike shop guys was like, "Soooo. Where's the lock?" Me "Uhhhhhhh back on first and university, locked to the rack?" I convince him to let me borrow his tools for the night. A bolt cutter and a wire cutter. I run with them back the 6 blocks. I proceed to cut the lock off the bike, downtown Seattle at Rush hour. No one hardly gives me a second look.
I think I experienced some "privileged" on like, 100 different levels. Also, proud to say the whole ordeal took less that 20 minutes. |
| 2015-08-13 11:48 AM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by Asalzwed Went to HH yesterday and locked my bike to my friends bike with my crappy bike lock. When it was time to leave, my key broke off in the lock. It was about 6:10 pm. We looked up the local bike shop, it closed at 6:00. We called anyway and they said if I could come right away they would help up. I sprinted through the city in my work clothes (it was about 6 blocks away.) The bike shop guys was like, "Soooo. Where's the lock?" Me "Uhhhhhhh back on first and university, locked to the rack?" I convince him to let me borrow his tools for the night. A bolt cutter and a wire cutter. I run with them back the 6 blocks. I proceed to cut the lock off the bike, downtown Seattle at Rush hour. No one hardly gives me a second look.
I think I experienced some "privileged" on like, 100 different levels. Also, proud to say the whole ordeal took less that 20 minutes. That's funny and awesome. |
| 2015-08-13 2:56 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by Asalzwed Went to HH yesterday and locked my bike to my friends bike with my crappy bike lock. When it was time to leave, my key broke off in the lock. It was about 6:10 pm. We looked up the local bike shop, it closed at 6:00. We called anyway and they said if I could come right away they would help up. I sprinted through the city in my work clothes (it was about 6 blocks away.) The bike shop guys was like, "Soooo. Where's the lock?" Me "Uhhhhhhh back on first and university, locked to the rack?" I convince him to let me borrow his tools for the night. A bolt cutter and a wire cutter. I run with them back the 6 blocks. I proceed to cut the lock off the bike, downtown Seattle at Rush hour. No one hardly gives me a second look.
I think I experienced some "privileged" on like, 100 different levels. Also, proud to say the whole ordeal took less that 20 minutes. Funny and good job. Yeah, you definitely had the benefit of some privilege. If you'd have been male, wearing scruffy clothes, and a different color, you might have been apprehended in a hurry! |
| 2015-08-13 3:43 PM in reply to: laffinrock |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by Asalzwed Went to HH yesterday and locked my bike to my friends bike with my crappy bike lock. When it was time to leave, my key broke off in the lock. It was about 6:10 pm. We looked up the local bike shop, it closed at 6:00. We called anyway and they said if I could come right away they would help up. I sprinted through the city in my work clothes (it was about 6 blocks away.) The bike shop guys was like, "Soooo. Where's the lock?" Me "Uhhhhhhh back on first and university, locked to the rack?" I convince him to let me borrow his tools for the night. A bolt cutter and a wire cutter. I run with them back the 6 blocks. I proceed to cut the lock off the bike, downtown Seattle at Rush hour. No one hardly gives me a second look.
I think I experienced some "privileged" on like, 100 different levels. Also, proud to say the whole ordeal took less that 20 minutes. Funny and good job. Yeah, you definitely had the benefit of some privilege. If you'd have been male, wearing scruffy clothes, and a different color, you might have been apprehended in a hurry! So DS1 is taking a sociology class this semester. DS2 told him to be prepared to be made to feel guilty for being a young middle-class white male. |
| 2015-08-13 3:47 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by Asalzwed Went to HH yesterday and locked my bike to my friends bike with my crappy bike lock. When it was time to leave, my key broke off in the lock. It was about 6:10 pm. We looked up the local bike shop, it closed at 6:00. We called anyway and they said if I could come right away they would help up. I sprinted through the city in my work clothes (it was about 6 blocks away.) The bike shop guys was like, "Soooo. Where's the lock?" Me "Uhhhhhhh back on first and university, locked to the rack?" I convince him to let me borrow his tools for the night. A bolt cutter and a wire cutter. I run with them back the 6 blocks. I proceed to cut the lock off the bike, downtown Seattle at Rush hour. No one hardly gives me a second look.
I think I experienced some "privileged" on like, 100 different levels. Also, proud to say the whole ordeal took less that 20 minutes. Funny and good job. Yeah, you definitely had the benefit of some privilege. If you'd have been male, wearing scruffy clothes, and a different color, you might have been apprehended in a hurry! So DS1 is taking a sociology class this semester. DS2 told him to be prepared to be made to feel guilty for being a young middle-class white male. Yeah, haha. Well, I don't know about guilty. Maybe just more aware of how lucky we are in a lot of ways. There are a whole lot of things we don't have to think about or experience on a daily basis. Yesterdays bike lock fiasco being a good example (also opening the door to a chop shop business opportunity lol) A woman who had her bike parked on the same rack next to us even took the time to compliment the paint job on my bike (while I had the lock cutter and cut lock in my hand) |
| 2015-08-14 6:27 AM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Racing Manatees!!! August 15-16 Ann-Marie - Celebration of Running 5k on Saturday Birthdays August 14 is Erin's birthday Disabled List none, unless people are fessing up |
| 2015-08-14 7:13 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Veteran 2441 Western Australia | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by jmkizer HAPPY BIRTHDAY ERIN! I hope that you have a great day Racing Manatees!!! August 15-16 Ann-Marie - Celebration of Running 5k on Saturday Birthdays August 14 is Erin's birthday Disabled List none, unless people are fessing up  Man look at all of those racers. I hope everyone has a great weekend and that you conquer your goals. |
| 2015-08-14 8:41 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatees!!! August 15-16 Ann-Marie - Celebration of Running 5k on Saturday Birthdays August 14 is Erin's birthday Disabled List none, unless people are fessing up Race well!!!! Enjoy your B-Day, Erin. |
| 2015-08-14 9:15 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatees!!! August 15-16 Ann-Marie - Celebration of Running 5k on Saturday Birthdays August 14 is Erin's birthday Disabled List none, unless people are fessing up This week looks a lot better than last! Happy racing everyone! Erin, have a great birthday!! |
| 2015-08-14 9:40 AM in reply to: 0 |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatees!!! August 15-16 Ann-Marie - Celebration of Running 5k on Saturday Birthdays August 14 is Erin's birthday Disabled List none, unless people are fessing up GOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANATEES!!!! (Not me, though. My race got cancelled due to lack of entrants.) Hope you have a wonderful birthday today, Erin!! I'm bummed that we won't get to meet this weekend at the PPA/PPM/Post-PPA-Pre-PPM-Manatee-Meet-Up-Brew-Bash. Guess we'll just have to try again next year. (Ya hear that, TJ and Salty?) Edited by laffinrock 2015-08-14 9:41 AM |
| 2015-08-14 9:58 AM in reply to: laffinrock |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) How could they go wrong?! Wheaties beer |
| 2015-08-14 10:57 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) |
| 2015-08-14 11:04 AM in reply to: #5116906 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Wow! Awesome racer list, awesome racers!!!! Happy Birthday Erin!!!! Mary, I'm not committing to ANYTHING until the emotions (or alcohol) from tomorrow wear off |
| 2015-08-14 2:10 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatees!!! August 15-16 Ann-Marie - Celebration of Running 5k on Saturday Birthdays August 14 is Erin's birthday Disabled List none, unless people are fessing up Good luck racers! Randee, welcome to Canada I leave for Copenhagen on Sunday!!!! Wooooot!!! Happiest of happy birthdays to you Erin. |
| 2015-08-14 2:58 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Member 667 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatees!!! August 15-16 Ann-Marie - Celebration of Running 5k on Saturday Birthdays August 14 is Erin's birthday Disabled List none, unless people are fessing up Good luck racers and smile for the cameras! Erin, Happy Cake Day!! |
| 2015-08-14 2:58 PM in reply to: IronOx |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by IronOx Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatees!!! August 15-16 Ann-Marie - Celebration of Running 5k on Saturday Birthdays August 14 is Erin's birthday Disabled List none, unless people are fessing up Good luck racers! Randee, welcome to Canada I leave for Copenhagen on Sunday!!!! Wooooot!!! Happiest of happy birthdays to you Erin. For all you stalkers out there, Randee is bib # 2467. I don't really mind that my race got cancelled, TBH. It means fewer logistics for my Wed. night run and I still get 2nd woman OA for the series. I'll take that. Denmark--SO awesome! You're going to have a blast. Copenhagen is a really cool city. |
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