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 2012-09-10 11:31 AM in reply to: #4403505 |
Extreme Veteran  532   Northampton, UK |  Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part IIDidn't realise so many people were racing last weekend! Congrats to all and, as Fred has said, if the penalty was for outside assistance then I'd rather take that then not finish (though 4mins is a little harsh in this case!) |
| 2012-09-10 12:02 PM in reply to: #4403200 |
Melon Presser 52116   | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II GoFaster - 2012-09-10 10:08 PM Marc - thanks for looking out for my spot in transition!! I would have liked to have met up, but it was a little crazy with the wife, etc. You had an amazing race. For anyone that doesn't know this course, Marc's 1:38 run was insane. I know that's what I hoped to run, but there was just no way, much too fast for me on that course. Huge congratulations for such an amazing race. As for me, the swim and run I was very happy with, and went through some tough patches on the run but promised myself no walking except the aid stations. Legs didn't like that idea, but they held on (very much in pain and protesting this morning), and I've done in my IT band again. As for the bike, I was having a great race, on target, pace was actually a little faster than intended, but that was because my power was too high for the first 30-40min, and then I backed off. Turned onto the last 8km and there's a short hill, shifted into the small chain ring and promptly dropped the chain. Crap, that's going to cost a few seconds. Uh, no, 12min. The chain got wedged between the crank and frame, and no matter how much I tried I couldn't get it out. Finally another racer called to a couple of spectators to see if they could help me out. No luck initially, but finally one guy produced a screwdriver and I wedged it between the frame and crank and got enough space for the chain to come out. Lots of time lost, but those guys saved my race. If it happened anywhere else, my day was likely done. After the race I found I was given a 4min penalty. I have no idea what it was for, but emailed the RD this morning. With the few different things that happened yesterday, this 4min upsets me more than anything else. Like the rest of this group I really focus on racing an honest race, and I'm pretty disappointed to see a penalty beside my name because it leaves me feeling like I've been marked as someone who was cheating in the race. Doesn't sit well with me. Apart from the penalty, I feel I was pretty close with my estimates for my race times. But ultimately, that 1:38 I hoped for the run was just not possible. This race also made my realize that while I've gotten more competitive in some of the smaller races this year, HIM is completely different, and I'm just not there yet. As a side note, WC spots rolled down to 5:15 and around 8th place in my AG. Super job. Real bummer about the penalty |
... although people do get them for all sorts of reasons (Ali Brownlee, Olympics ... ) so I don't think anyone would automatically assume you cheated.| 2012-09-10 12:14 PM in reply to: #4333512 |
| Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II Great job Neil. Hard luck on the mechanical and the penalty, but otherwise it seems you executed your race pretty well. |
| 2012-09-10 12:21 PM in reply to: #4403362 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II ratherbeswimming - 2012-09-10 10:18 AM Awesome racing this weekend to Marc, Neil and Tom!! I race my first Xterra this weekend - fastest swim split, second slowest bike split, decent run... had a blast and won my age group (there were only 2 of us!). Very friendly race, and much more social than a regular tri - no real drafting rules meant I could chat with racers on the open sections of bike course, and the run was just beautiful.
Nice !! Congrats. Xterra is something I would love to try. But a) I am a chicken on downhills b) I have poor handling skills so I would probably kill myself. On the run I am also really bad at predicting my foot strike. A few months ago, there was a fire hose across the street, I thought I would stride right over, BAM, tripped on it and hurt my shoulder. I can't imagine tree roots......I would kill myself. If there is something to run into, I would run into it. |
| 2012-09-10 12:25 PM in reply to: #4403039 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II TSimone - 2012-09-10 8:52 PM axteraa - 2012-09-10 7:25 AM Here are Tom's results. http://timing.rev3tri.com/2012/Race/2012/B4229BD8-C6CC-4A8F-B01F-4212BD4B4D17/Athletes/3/1022 Looks like nice even bike splits. If the run splits are accurate, he may have had a rough patch in the middle of the run but then picked it back up for the last half of the run. Nice work Tom! Thanks. I'll put more detail in my RR whenever I get around to writing it but the TL:DR version is swim and bike went as planned, transitions were faster than planned and the run was a trainwreck from mile 4 on. I stopped at mile 4 to stretch my left quad and hammy. That may have been a mistake because all that did was send a spasm thru my hamstring that I've never experienced. Never could recover. But I didn't quit, which was important to me. YAAAAY! Again ... tough to go into a race like that feeling like that in a race that's going to be really tough anyway ... way to persevere! DEFINITELY worthy of a {MELON PRESS} ... or two. |
| 2012-09-10 12:28 PM in reply to: #4403362 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II ratherbeswimming - 2012-09-10 11:18 PM Awesome racing this weekend to Marc, Neil and Tom!! I race my first Xterra this weekend - fastest swim split, second slowest bike split, decent run... had a blast and won my age group (there were only 2 of us!). Very friendly race, and much more social than a regular tri - no real drafting rules meant I could chat with racers on the open sections of bike course, and the run was just beautiful. CONGRATULATIONS Laney Day! Oh of course, a {MELON PRESS} for you too, it's even better with return fruit XTERRAs from what I've heard and seen are much tougher anyway in terms of the competition pool, so YOU WON (who cares how many in the AG?) |
| 2012-09-10 1:25 PM in reply to: #4403702 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II TriAya - 2012-09-10 12:28 PMOh of course, a {MELON PRESS} for you too, it's even better with return fruit 
OK, I admit I am sometimes slow. I did not get the whole MELON PRESS thing, but I just figured it out. I think ! |
| 2012-09-10 2:22 PM in reply to: #4403292 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II marcag - 2012-09-10 10:47 AM GoFaster - 2012-09-10 9:08 AMTurned onto the last 8km and there's a short hill, shifted into the small chain ring and promptly dropped the chain. Crap, that's going to cost a few seconds. Uh, no, 12min. The chain got wedged between the crank and frame, and no matter how much I tried I couldn't get it out. Finally another racer called to a couple of spectators to see if they could help me out. No luck initially, but finally one guy produced a screwdriver and I wedged it between the frame and crank and got enough space for the chain to come out. Lots of time lost, but those guys saved my race. If it happened anywhere else, my day was likely done.
was that right after the 90 deg left turn before going back to deerhurst ? I saw you there. I saw the bike, saw it was a trek and thought I hope that isn't Neil. Yep, that was the spot and that was me. I had my back turned to the road and all I could hear was the whole field going past me. Ultimately, I hope you guys are right and I got the penalty for outside assistance. Rules are rules, but I would personally feel better knowing that this was my infraction rather than something else. Edited by GoFaster 2012-09-10 2:23 PM |
| 2012-09-10 2:34 PM in reply to: #4404020 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II GoFaster - 2012-09-10 2:22 PM marcag - 2012-09-10 10:47 AM GoFaster - 2012-09-10 9:08 AMTurned onto the last 8km and there's a short hill, shifted into the small chain ring and promptly dropped the chain. Crap, that's going to cost a few seconds. Uh, no, 12min. The chain got wedged between the crank and frame, and no matter how much I tried I couldn't get it out. Finally another racer called to a couple of spectators to see if they could help me out. No luck initially, but finally one guy produced a screwdriver and I wedged it between the frame and crank and got enough space for the chain to come out. Lots of time lost, but those guys saved my race. If it happened anywhere else, my day was likely done.
was that right after the 90 deg left turn before going back to deerhurst ? I saw you there. I saw the bike, saw it was a trek and thought I hope that isn't Neil. Yep, that was the spot and that was me. I had my back turned to the road and all I could hear was the whole field going past me. Ultimately, I hope you guys are right and I got the penalty for outside assistance. Rules are rules, but I would personally feel better knowing that this was my infraction rather than something else.
What is the world coming to !!!!! What is wrong with WTC !!!!
No but seriously, to give you a penalty for that is just stupid. Granted rules are rules but what is the point ? Your day is half screwed already, you are out of the possibility of a vegas spot or podium, there are far two few mechanical support vehicles. Worst part is a mechanical support vehicle had probably just passed you. I remember them passing me a 10 minutes or so before I got to that spot. The RD is a really nice guy. I suspect he doesn't have a choice but enforce what the guys on the road say. By the way, Muskoka is trying hard to get IM Canada. |
 2012-09-10 2:46 PM in reply to: #4333512 |
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| 2012-09-10 3:07 PM in reply to: #4333512 |
| Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II Didn't catch up on all the posts, but from the jist of it, seems like we had a great week of racing. Trying to get back into the flow after I gave myself 1 week of really easy training. My running is taking a lot longer to come back than I thought, but I'm not going to force it. |
| 2012-09-10 3:21 PM in reply to: #4404115 |
| Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II tri808 - 2012-09-10 3:07 PM Didn't catch up on all the posts, but from the jist of it, seems like we had a great week of racing. Trying to get back into the flow after I gave myself 1 week of really easy training. My running is taking a lot longer to come back than I thought, but I'm not going to force it.
Two years ago I injured a hamstring and was off running for 4 weeks. It took 4 weeks to come back. Short, frequent runs and you will be back in it very soon. |
| 2012-09-10 3:29 PM in reply to: #4404051 |
| Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II marcag - 2012-09-10 3:34 PM By the way, Muskoka is trying hard to get IM Canada. That would be an awfully hard IM race. I think they would need to change at least some of the run course, cause the current course seems like it would be just too punishing. **Note - never been to another HIM or IM, so maybe I'm just being a little bit of a wuss about this.** |
| 2012-09-10 3:32 PM in reply to: #4404076 |
| Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II Fred D - 2012-09-10 3:46 PM Don't sweat it Neil. No one thinks any lesser of you and it could happen to anyone. Definitely get an answer from the rd about what it was though. Maybe the case, but it still won't sit well with me for something other than the outside assistance penalty. Just the way that "I" feel about the issue. |
| 2012-09-10 3:37 PM in reply to: #4404189 |
| Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II GoFaster - 2012-09-10 5:29 PM marcag - 2012-09-10 3:34 PM By the way, Muskoka is trying hard to get IM Canada. That would be an awfully hard IM race. I think they would need to change at least some of the run course, cause the current course seems like it would be just too punishing. **Note - never been to another HIM or IM, so maybe I'm just being a little bit of a wuss about this.** Unless they were going to change the date, it seems like it would be too close to Mont Tremblant, both in distance and time apart to make both viable? |
| 2012-09-10 3:37 PM in reply to: #4404165 |
| Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II marcag - 2012-09-10 10:21 AM tri808 - 2012-09-10 3:07 PM Didn't catch up on all the posts, but from the jist of it, seems like we had a great week of racing. Trying to get back into the flow after I gave myself 1 week of really easy training. My running is taking a lot longer to come back than I thought, but I'm not going to force it.
Two years ago I injured a hamstring and was off running for 4 weeks. It took 4 weeks to come back. Short, frequent runs and you will be back in it very soon. That's the plan. 3-4 miles about 5x this week. I have lots of time before I'll need to run again in a race so I'm not worried at all. |
| 2012-09-10 3:44 PM in reply to: #4404208 |
| Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II axteraa - 2012-09-10 3:37 PM GoFaster - 2012-09-10 5:29 PM marcag - 2012-09-10 3:34 PM By the way, Muskoka is trying hard to get IM Canada. That would be an awfully hard IM race. I think they would need to change at least some of the run course, cause the current course seems like it would be just too punishing. **Note - never been to another HIM or IM, so maybe I'm just being a little bit of a wuss about this.** Unless they were going to change the date, it seems like it would be too close to Mont Tremblant, both in distance and time apart to make both viable?
they would change the date for sure. It would not be Sept. There is even talk they may change the 70.3 date to July. their argument is they are close to the largest population center in Canada, which makes sense.
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| 2012-09-10 3:48 PM in reply to: #4404199 |
| Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II GoFaster - 2012-09-10 10:32 AM Fred D - 2012-09-10 3:46 PM Don't sweat it Neil. No one thinks any lesser of you and it could happen to anyone. Definitely get an answer from the rd about what it was though. Maybe the case, but it still won't sit well with me for something other than the outside assistance penalty. Just the way that "I" feel about the issue. C'mon Neil...we all know you got busted for using your iPod. |
| 2012-09-10 4:58 PM in reply to: #4333512 |
| Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II Well #%^! I just walked down into my basement and discovered about 2 inches of water! It has been raining hard here for two days (remnants of Tropical storm Leslie) and for some reason the sump pump didn't kick in. I went over to it and nudged it and it sprang to life and is now draining the water. There is nothing too important down there (other than the bikes!!) but it's gonna be a mess. |
| 2012-09-10 6:19 PM in reply to: #4404408 |
| Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II axteraa - 2012-09-10 11:58 AM Well #%^! I just walked down into my basement and discovered about 2 inches of water! It has been raining hard here for two days (remnants of Tropical storm Leslie) and for some reason the sump pump didn't kick in. I went over to it and nudged it and it sprang to life and is now draining the water. There is nothing too important down there (other than the bikes!!) but it's gonna be a mess. Sorry to hear that. Oddly, we had a little bit of rain over the weekend and I had an dream last night that my bike was completely rusted. Paint bubbling off and everything. |
| 2012-09-10 6:47 PM in reply to: #4333512 |
| Pro 4482 NJ | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II Hi, a quick hello to the group. Fred gave me the OK to join, which is much appreciated as I read most of what you guys post. My name is Kim and I'm returning from a year of injury recovery. I was in the midst of marathon training last summer when I got sidelined from severe hip pain. Long story, but it resulted in no run or bike for about 9 months. I did spend that time in the pool so I've retained some decent cardio (didn't make me into a "real swimmer" tho), but the legs have a lot of work to do. I'm just starting to run and bike again. Planning to use the BarryP plan/approach for the run. As for the bike, I need to log some miles. I really lost bike fitness. Hills are embarrassing. I guess this means the trainer over the winter, so perhaps Jorge's plan. The goal is to rebuild fitness for a 70.3 in 2013. When and where, tbd. I will also have a deferral for NYC (I signed up this year in a fit of optimism and got in) so a fall marathon in 2013 is also a goal. I'm not particularly speedy, but hope to stay healthy and rebuild fitness. Look forward to learning more from this group. (I'll open up my logs as soon as I can get to my computer. I'm commuting east coast/west coast right now, so just have the iPad/phone). Thanks again, Kim
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| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II Welcome Kim! Nice to see a runner here to complement our fish and bike folks. Although I'll refer everyone to that old Mike Pigg quote: "if you guys learned how to ride a bike, you wouldn't have to run so hard." |
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| Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Fred D Mentor Group - Part II Welcome Kim!! |
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