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2013-09-01 7:12 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Race day for me today.  I haven't raced in ... oh, forever now.  So looking forward to it.  Small race, about 250, but it brings out not just some of Arizona's top runners but some of the countries.  Mostly cause they live up in Flagstaff and running season out here hasn't really started yet.  Still too hot, and still in monsoon season.  My main goal is to not get struck by lightening as we are running to the top of the mountain.  lol  No time goals at all.  I had hoped the humidity would have broke by now but no luck, so combine that with another 1000 ft in altitude and running up hill I'm just gonna go have fun
2013-09-01 10:34 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN

Originally posted by bzgl40 Race day for me today.  I haven't raced in ... oh, forever now.  So looking forward to it.  Small race, about 250, but it brings out not just some of Arizona's top runners but some of the countries.  Mostly cause they live up in Flagstaff and running season out here hasn't really started yet.  Still too hot, and still in monsoon season.  My main goal is to not get struck by lightening as we are running to the top of the mountain.  lol  No time goals at all.  I had hoped the humidity would have broke by now but no luck, so combine that with another 1000 ft in altitude and running up hill I'm just gonna go have fun

Yeh, can't imagine anything sounding more fun.  Wink

Have a great time - good to be back racing, huh?

Looking forward to the RR.

Matt

2013-09-01 6:38 PM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Just checking in. Still in the great white north, on the Wild West coast of Vancouver island. Heading back to Vancouver tomorrow then home Tuesday. Race feels like it was ages ago. Probably why I am now considering a 2014 IM. much as I'd love to go to IMMT I told my wife the IM would not be a big deal and take up vacation time etc, as its her turn to choose and she wants to go to Costa Rica. So thinking whistler again, close to home and I can make a long ish weekend out of it. Haven't signed up yet though....
2013-09-01 7:31 PM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN

Originally posted by ChrisM Just checking in. Still in the great white north, on the Wild West coast of Vancouver island. Heading back to Vancouver tomorrow then home Tuesday. Race feels like it was ages ago. Probably why I am now considering a 2014 IM. much as I'd love to go to IMMT I told my wife the IM would not be a big deal and take up vacation time etc, as its her turn to choose and she wants to go to Costa Rica. So thinking whistler again, close to home and I can make a long ish weekend out of it. Haven't signed up yet though....

Do it!  I'm in...

2013-09-02 8:19 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN

Quick update on the hammy whammy.  Can still ride and swim, as long as I stay away from low cadence/high power on the bike and breaststroke on the swim (no problem with the latter).  Still won't chance running, as it wakes me a night repositioning in bed sometimes still.

Self-diagnosed (physician heal thyself, right?) as a Grade 1 strain of the biceps femoris insertion to the pelvis.  Likely caused by running on fatigued legs (end of medium run, but after lots of running the previous 5 days), and not taking enough down time after the end of the main/first part of my racing season.  

Knew it was a risk, but thought I was OK after feeling really good on the 8, 17 miler and 5 miler preceding this - and even on the first 7.05 miles of the 8 mile run on which it happened.  Live and learn - I prolly needed another week of getting fat and happy before jumping back into structured training after the ~6 months of structure for the first half of the tri season.  

Funny - well, not really - as Kim mentioned after that she knew I had a gut level concern…  Should've listened, as usual, but really didn't know what to expect (first full season doing this, so didn't know how much rest to take and when, etc.).  So, painful way to learn, but good data.

Now on to a 3 week bike/swim focus, no running for at least another week and scrapping both my HM and full marry race plans.  Kind of bummed about not racing those, but I might be back on my feet for a couple local sprints later in the month.  We'll see, but I'm not going to risk all of next year (and this winter), so I'm at least pulling the plug on the longer stuff.

Wow - I'm actually planning in blocks of a year or two now.  That's kinda cool!  

Matt



2013-09-02 8:09 PM
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http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=499792

RR is up.  Fun swim.  Times were a bit slow this year, but not nearly as bad as some years where good swimmers are being pulled out of the water.  I think I got a good idea at what type of effort I can sustain for Kona.  I have to admit though, I have a new respect for a 2.4 mile swim.  While I didn't go as hard as I could and came out of the water feeling great, I still feel a little fatigue right now and I can see how that can kill your bike and run.



Edited by Jason N 2013-09-02 8:10 PM
2013-09-03 8:36 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Originally posted by Jason N

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=499792

RR is up.  Fun swim.  Times were a bit slow this year, but not nearly as bad as some years where good swimmers are being pulled out of the water.  I think I got a good idea at what type of effort I can sustain for Kona.  I have to admit though, I have a new respect for a 2.4 mile swim.  While I didn't go as hard as I could and came out of the water feeling great, I still feel a little fatigue right now and I can see how that can kill your bike and run.




Nice job! Yes, swimming is deceptively tiring, especially for those of us who learned it late in life.
2013-09-03 8:57 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Originally posted by Experior
Originally posted by Jason N

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=499792

RR is up.  Fun swim.  Times were a bit slow this year, but not nearly as bad as some years where good swimmers are being pulled out of the water.  I think I got a good idea at what type of effort I can sustain for Kona.  I have to admit though, I have a new respect for a 2.4 mile swim.  While I didn't go as hard as I could and came out of the water feeling great, I still feel a little fatigue right now and I can see how that can kill your bike and run.

Nice job! Yes, swimming is deceptively tiring, especially for those of us who learned it late in life.

Very much, open water seems even more so.

Elevation gain: 104 ft (hehe)

2013-09-03 9:19 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Originally posted by brigby1
Originally posted by Experior
Originally posted by Jason N

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=499792

RR is up.  Fun swim.  Times were a bit slow this year, but not nearly as bad as some years where good swimmers are being pulled out of the water.  I think I got a good idea at what type of effort I can sustain for Kona.  I have to admit though, I have a new respect for a 2.4 mile swim.  While I didn't go as hard as I could and came out of the water feeling great, I still feel a little fatigue right now and I can see how that can kill your bike and run.

Nice job! Yes, swimming is deceptively tiring, especially for those of us who learned it late in life.

Very much, open water seems even more so.

Elevation gain: 104 ft (hehe)

Agreed, ocean swimming can really wear you down, great job Jason!

On that elevation gain, we used to have a race where the bike and run were pancake flat but the swim was in the ocean and we always said the swim had more elevation gain than the rest of the course.  

We've been in San Francisco/Santa Cruz/Monterey for the last few days.  Brought our bikes and tried out our Aerus Biospeed travel bags.  They seem to have worked really well (ie nothing was broken).  

Based on the hills I have seen though I am questioning the wisdom of having a standard crankset with an 11-23 cassette here...Undecided

2013-09-03 3:18 PM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN

Originally posted by bzgl40 Race day for me today.  I haven't raced in ... oh, forever now.  So looking forward to it.  Small race, about 250, but it brings out not just some of Arizona's top runners but some of the countries.  Mostly cause they live up in Flagstaff and running season out here hasn't really started yet.  Still too hot, and still in monsoon season.  My main goal is to not get struck by lightening as we are running to the top of the mountain.  lol  No time goals at all.  I had hoped the humidity would have broke by now but no luck, so combine that with another 1000 ft in altitude and running up hill I'm just gonna go have fun

How did it go?



2013-09-03 4:06 PM
in reply to: cdban66

Payson, AZ
Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Originally posted by cdban66

Originally posted by bzgl40 Race day for me today.  I haven't raced in ... oh, forever now.  So looking forward to it.  Small race, about 250, but it brings out not just some of Arizona's top runners but some of the countries.  Mostly cause they live up in Flagstaff and running season out here hasn't really started yet.  Still too hot, and still in monsoon season.  My main goal is to not get struck by lightening as we are running to the top of the mountain.  lol  No time goals at all.  I had hoped the humidity would have broke by now but no luck, so combine that with another 1000 ft in altitude and running up hill I'm just gonna go have fun

How did it go?

It went well, paced it pretty darn good.  Most amazing spot to run a race but still waiting on results before I do the RR

2013-09-04 7:12 AM
in reply to: bzgl40

Payson, AZ
Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Ok, RR is up from the weekend race. Turns out the overall female winner was from my AG.  Darn it.  And also, I was no where near 3rd for my AG.    Big gap between the top 3 and then me.  I am almost always 4th in my AG in smaller running races for some reason
2013-09-04 8:01 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
What could be better than swimming a bunch of 200's than doing it on a descending interval? Actually was kind of entertaining with all the carnage.
2013-09-04 8:36 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN

Originally posted by brigby1 What could be better than swimming a bunch of 200's than doing it on a descending interval? Actually was kind of entertaining with all the carnage.

You're more than just a little bit of a masochist aren't you...

2013-09-04 8:37 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Anyone know how to pull up a month by month snapshot of totals (not graphed).  The old website let you view this in the training data, and you could also see year over year, but in the new log I can only see back 2 months or 2 years.  Can't figure out how to find the rest.


2013-09-04 8:45 AM
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2013-09-04 9:08 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Originally posted by GoFaster

Originally posted by brigby1 What could be better than swimming a bunch of 200's than doing it on a descending interval? Actually was kind of entertaining with all the carnage.

You're more than just a little bit of a masochist aren't you...

We had been putting in 300's & 400's some recent workouts, so this actually wasn't *that* bad mentally. Laughing

2013-09-04 10:55 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Originally posted by TSimone

Originally posted by GoFaster Anyone know how to pull up a month by month snapshot of totals (not graphed).  The old website let you view this in the training data, and you could also see year over year, but in the new log I can only see back 2 months or 2 years.  Can't figure out how to find the rest.

Best I have is change your training log view to "calendar".  You can click on the month to go to a specific year, or scroll forward/backward.  Monthly totals are at the bottom of the calendar.  I haven't figured out how to get yearly totals other than the 2 prior years. 

ETA, you don't have to actually change the default view.  You can just click on My Training Calendar if you use the blog as your default view.

Unfortunately, not what I want, but thanks.  They had it quite nicely formatted on the old site, but just seems to be missing on this one.

2013-09-04 11:13 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Originally posted by GoFaster
Originally posted by TSimone

Originally posted by GoFaster Anyone know how to pull up a month by month snapshot of totals (not graphed).  The old website let you view this in the training data, and you could also see year over year, but in the new log I can only see back 2 months or 2 years.  Can't figure out how to find the rest.

Best I have is change your training log view to "calendar".  You can click on the month to go to a specific year, or scroll forward/backward.  Monthly totals are at the bottom of the calendar.  I haven't figured out how to get yearly totals other than the 2 prior years. 

ETA, you don't have to actually change the default view.  You can just click on My Training Calendar if you use the blog as your default view.

Unfortunately, not what I want, but thanks.  They had it quite nicely formatted on the old site, but just seems to be missing on this one.

Think I see what you're saying, but how much value do you place in that? Months vary in size and start & stop on different days of the week. My bike mileage could vary by as much as 150 miles because of this. It might be worth more to grab the weeks and if you need a bigger picture, maybe add together every 4 weeks or so? Something more consistant and that matches up better with how you schedule things (as many do it weekly).

2013-09-04 12:04 PM
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2013-09-04 12:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again...
Originally posted by Jason N
Originally posted by Fred D
Originally posted by axteraa
Originally posted by mcmanusclan5

With this crazy IM virus spreading, I have a question for the full / long course folks.

Do you race much leading up to it?  Do you miss racing more frequently if you don't?

When I did marathons (in the waaaay back) and per our plan this year, there is at least a lot of racing leading up to it.  5k's, 10k's, HM or two… all good fun, and I really love races.

I've heard tell, and read in many training guides, that while you might race a HIM or two on the way to an IM, you don't peak for them - just for the main event and train through the HIMs.  Kind of keeps me from just jumping on board with IM's - not sure if one or two races a year (OK, save maybe if it were Kona - but that's not in my cards at the moment!) would be enough to focus me on months and months of training.  How do you deal with that?

As ever, your thoughts are appreciated and enjoyed...

Matt

One of the reasons that I decided the IM distance wasn't for me was because I felt like I couldn't do as many races as I typically would.  Maybe it was because it was my first and with experience that would no longer be the case as I know several ppl that race lots during IM training but I definitely missed a few races that I would otherwise have done.

I don't think I would use it as a reason to avoid trying an IM though.  I still really enjoyed the whole process and training (with the exception of the grumpy times that Jason referred to) and am glad I did it.  I'm just not in any rush to sign up again.  

. I agree. If you want to race a fair bit thn IM gets in the way. Myself, I don't want to race much and I bet IMMT will be my only (or maybe also a local sprint) race next year as I can't justify the time away from my family to travel to races anymore with work being busy. Yes I could bring them to HIMs but they aren't as great for spectators etc. I also have enough BASE that I will be training for this IM in a VERY different way....

I think there are a lot of experienced folks who can race a lot during an IM year, but they likely have LOTS of experience and a huge fitness base.  If it's not your first rodeo, but maybe your 5th or 6th (in maybe your 10th or 15th season) then I'm guessing there are a lot less unknowns you have to prepare for.  You likely have your nutrition down, and you don't rely on as much of the weekend workouts which can allow you to race more often.  You also may recover faster.

For most of us though, an IM year means less racing.

 

Hesitant on whether to add my data point to this but here goes...I've been doing the endurance thing since high school so base was not a factor when I started doing tris in 2005.  I had one year in 2010 that was crazy busy as far as racing goes.....15 races leading up to IM Canada (10:57) and then IM WI a couple weeks later (14:16) (not recommended as far as the back to back IM Wink ).  A disclaimer is that 4 of those races were at Triple T Ohio.  I never tapered for any of my smaller races and in fact raced an Olympic the weekend before Racine 70.3 in July (4:39).  I loved racing as much as I did and simply treated smaller races as speed work.  I would never recommend such a season to a beginner that didn't have much experience. Also worth noting that I don't have kids.

2013-09-04 12:58 PM
in reply to: Birkierunner

Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again...

Home (yay!) and back at work (boo!)

I've gone back and forth on an IM next year.  During training I said no way.  When I got to Whistler, started thinking maybe I'd like to again, the atmosphere is incredible.  Mile 15 of the run I was back to no way (actually, it was NO F'ING WAY).  a few days later, hmmmmm, that was a lot of fun, I think I'd like to do another.

Now, back to not so sure.  It's a huge commitment of time, and while I'd like to see how to improve my performance (and will have questions on this to the group, once i've had time to sit down and think about it more), don't know that I just want to turn in perennial hi 12 lo 13 hour times.

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2013-09-04 1:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again...
It was fun following your race Chris.  I've learned so much by reading the post race analysis and discussions from this group. Take some time and think it over, then follow your heart.
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