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 2012-11-05 10:10 AM in reply to: #4483948 |
 Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida |  Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will winmr2tony - 2012-11-05 10:25 AM GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 9:24 AM How does it make Powell's endorsement look cheap? If someone as high profile as Powell endorsed Romney, the Reps would've put him on TV weeks ago. I think this is news only because 1) Obama has been pushing Colin Powell's endorsement pretty hard in the swing states (even though he endorsed him last time) and 2) there has never been this type of mass endorsement from General Officers of any presidential candidate. This is very abnormal. They've got people from several generations on that list. Multiple Marine Corps Commandants, A few Aces, quite a few big names. This isn't shocking November surprise type news, but it sure does make Obama's Colin Powell endorsement look cheap.
His profile as the former Secretary of State under a Republican Administration has some gravity to it, but he endorsed the same guy last time and I don't think there's any news that he is endorsing Obama again. The list supporting Romney is a list of big names. Like I said, they span generations, there are a few dozen service chiefs, at least 2 Joint Chiefs Chairs, a few Vice Chairs. That's a big list of big names and it has never happened before. That's why it's news.
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| 2012-11-05 10:17 AM in reply to: #4483326 |
Master  2802   Minnetonka, Minnesota | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win A bunch of mostly retired war types that virtually no one has ever heard of supporting a hawkish foreign policy prez wanna-be who wants to give them a raise = a big YAWN. Not news and will have zero impact on the election is my take.
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| 2012-11-05 10:19 AM in reply to: #4484076 |
Champion 11989   Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 11:10 AM mr2tony - 2012-11-05 10:25 AM GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 9:24 AM How does it make Powell's endorsement look cheap? If someone as high profile as Powell endorsed Romney, the Reps would've put him on TV weeks ago. I think this is news only because 1) Obama has been pushing Colin Powell's endorsement pretty hard in the swing states (even though he endorsed him last time) and 2) there has never been this type of mass endorsement from General Officers of any presidential candidate. This is very abnormal. They've got people from several generations on that list. Multiple Marine Corps Commandants, A few Aces, quite a few big names. This isn't shocking November surprise type news, but it sure does make Obama's Colin Powell endorsement look cheap.
His profile as the former Secretary of State under a Republican Administration has some gravity to it, but he endorsed the same guy last time and I don't think there's any news that he is endorsing Obama again. The list supporting Romney is a list of big names. Like I said, they span generations, there are a few dozen service chiefs, at least 2 Joint Chiefs Chairs, a few Vice Chairs. That's a big list of big names and it has never happened before. That's why it's news.
Never happened before? That alone makes me suspicious, never mind that the article cited in support of the list is from a conservative web site that is less than a year old. Smells like Republican propaganda to me. |
| 2012-11-05 10:27 AM in reply to: #4484076 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 10:10 AM mr2tony - 2012-11-05 10:25 AM GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 9:24 AM How does it make Powell's endorsement look cheap? If someone as high profile as Powell endorsed Romney, the Reps would've put him on TV weeks ago. I think this is news only because 1) Obama has been pushing Colin Powell's endorsement pretty hard in the swing states (even though he endorsed him last time) and 2) there has never been this type of mass endorsement from General Officers of any presidential candidate. This is very abnormal. They've got people from several generations on that list. Multiple Marine Corps Commandants, A few Aces, quite a few big names. This isn't shocking November surprise type news, but it sure does make Obama's Colin Powell endorsement look cheap.
His profile as the former Secretary of State under a Republican Administration has some gravity to it, but he endorsed the same guy last time and I don't think there's any news that he is endorsing Obama again. The list supporting Romney is a list of big names. Like I said, they span generations, there are a few dozen service chiefs, at least 2 Joint Chiefs Chairs, a few Vice Chairs. That's a big list of big names and it has never happened before. That's why it's news.
I hate to hurt the ego of military men, especially generals, but nobody knows who these guys are. Lose the rank in front of the names and I may recognize two or three. The general public who doesn't keep up on current events probably would recognize zero. These are not ``big names.'' |
| 2012-11-05 1:05 PM in reply to: #4484108 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win mr2tony - 2012-11-05 11:27 AM GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 10:10 AM I hate to hurt the ego of military men, especially generals, but nobody knows who these guys are. Lose the rank in front of the names and I may recognize two or three. The general public who doesn't keep up on current events probably would recognize zero. These are not ``big names.'' mr2tony - 2012-11-05 10:25 AM GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 9:24 AM How does it make Powell's endorsement look cheap? If someone as high profile as Powell endorsed Romney, the Reps would've put him on TV weeks ago. I think this is news only because 1) Obama has been pushing Colin Powell's endorsement pretty hard in the swing states (even though he endorsed him last time) and 2) there has never been this type of mass endorsement from General Officers of any presidential candidate. This is very abnormal. They've got people from several generations on that list. Multiple Marine Corps Commandants, A few Aces, quite a few big names. This isn't shocking November surprise type news, but it sure does make Obama's Colin Powell endorsement look cheap.
His profile as the former Secretary of State under a Republican Administration has some gravity to it, but he endorsed the same guy last time and I don't think there's any news that he is endorsing Obama again. The list supporting Romney is a list of big names. Like I said, they span generations, there are a few dozen service chiefs, at least 2 Joint Chiefs Chairs, a few Vice Chairs. That's a big list of big names and it has never happened before. That's why it's news.
No, you're most definitely right. That's why I don't just say "ho hum". It's a big deal to get a former General Officer to endorse a politician. They don't do so because most of them are more focused on sitting on charitable or corporate boards or they're in consultancies and don't want to skyline themselves because they do have to work with the administration. These aren't big public names in the public sphere like Colin Powell or Wesley Clark. But they're plenty big names. You can say though that Powell's one claim to fame over and above say a Tommy Franks or a Hugh Shelton (appointed to JCS by Clinton) is that he was the Sec State under Bush (who the current administration blames for everything wrong in the world and country). Getting this number of GOs (500) to sign-on to an ad in a paper (which they paid for) endorsing any political candidate is a pretty significant thing. Not for the votes it'll garner, but for the act itself. If you show me a similar thing from 4 or 8 years ago, great, if you choose to ignore it, fine, but it is significant. |
| 2012-11-05 1:07 PM in reply to: #4476420 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win And the rest of us will lose. |
| 2012-11-05 1:10 PM in reply to: #4484479 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 12:05 PM mr2tony - 2012-11-05 11:27 AM GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 10:10 AM I hate to hurt the ego of military men, especially generals, but nobody knows who these guys are. Lose the rank in front of the names and I may recognize two or three. The general public who doesn't keep up on current events probably would recognize zero. These are not ``big names.'' mr2tony - 2012-11-05 10:25 AM GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 9:24 AM How does it make Powell's endorsement look cheap? If someone as high profile as Powell endorsed Romney, the Reps would've put him on TV weeks ago. I think this is news only because 1) Obama has been pushing Colin Powell's endorsement pretty hard in the swing states (even though he endorsed him last time) and 2) there has never been this type of mass endorsement from General Officers of any presidential candidate. This is very abnormal. They've got people from several generations on that list. Multiple Marine Corps Commandants, A few Aces, quite a few big names. This isn't shocking November surprise type news, but it sure does make Obama's Colin Powell endorsement look cheap.
His profile as the former Secretary of State under a Republican Administration has some gravity to it, but he endorsed the same guy last time and I don't think there's any news that he is endorsing Obama again. The list supporting Romney is a list of big names. Like I said, they span generations, there are a few dozen service chiefs, at least 2 Joint Chiefs Chairs, a few Vice Chairs. That's a big list of big names and it has never happened before. That's why it's news.
No, you're most definitely right. That's why I don't just say "ho hum". It's a big deal to get a former General Officer to endorse a politician. They don't do so because most of them are more focused on sitting on charitable or corporate boards or they're in consultancies and don't want to skyline themselves because they do have to work with the administration. These aren't big public names in the public sphere like Colin Powell or Wesley Clark. But they're plenty big names. You can say though that Powell's one claim to fame over and above say a Tommy Franks or a Hugh Shelton (appointed to JCS by Clinton) is that he was the Sec State under Bush (who the current administration blames for everything wrong in the world and country). Getting this number of GOs (500) to sign-on to an ad in a paper (which they paid for) endorsing any political candidate is a pretty significant thing. Not for the votes it'll garner, but for the act itself. If you show me a similar thing from 4 or 8 years ago, great, if you choose to ignore it, fine, but it is significant.
I'm not a military man, but can you explain why they did this? |
| 2012-11-05 1:16 PM in reply to: #4484479 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 2:05 PM mr2tony - 2012-11-05 11:27 AM GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 10:10 AM I hate to hurt the ego of military men, especially generals, but nobody knows who these guys are. Lose the rank in front of the names and I may recognize two or three. The general public who doesn't keep up on current events probably would recognize zero. These are not ``big names.'' mr2tony - 2012-11-05 10:25 AM GomesBolt - 2012-11-05 9:24 AM How does it make Powell's endorsement look cheap? If someone as high profile as Powell endorsed Romney, the Reps would've put him on TV weeks ago. I think this is news only because 1) Obama has been pushing Colin Powell's endorsement pretty hard in the swing states (even though he endorsed him last time) and 2) there has never been this type of mass endorsement from General Officers of any presidential candidate. This is very abnormal. They've got people from several generations on that list. Multiple Marine Corps Commandants, A few Aces, quite a few big names. This isn't shocking November surprise type news, but it sure does make Obama's Colin Powell endorsement look cheap.
His profile as the former Secretary of State under a Republican Administration has some gravity to it, but he endorsed the same guy last time and I don't think there's any news that he is endorsing Obama again. The list supporting Romney is a list of big names. Like I said, they span generations, there are a few dozen service chiefs, at least 2 Joint Chiefs Chairs, a few Vice Chairs. That's a big list of big names and it has never happened before. That's why it's news.
No, you're most definitely right. That's why I don't just say "ho hum". It's a big deal to get a former General Officer to endorse a politician. They don't do so because most of them are more focused on sitting on charitable or corporate boards or they're in consultancies and don't want to skyline themselves because they do have to work with the administration. These aren't big public names in the public sphere like Colin Powell or Wesley Clark. But they're plenty big names. You can say though that Powell's one claim to fame over and above say a Tommy Franks or a Hugh Shelton (appointed to JCS by Clinton) is that he was the Sec State under Bush (who the current administration blames for everything wrong in the world and country). Getting this number of GOs (500) to sign-on to an ad in a paper (which they paid for) endorsing any political candidate is a pretty significant thing. Not for the votes it'll garner, but for the act itself. If you show me a similar thing from 4 or 8 years ago, great, if you choose to ignore it, fine, but it is significant. You know, those folks didn't just happen to mention in passing that they are supporting Romney. It's an orchestrated move by a special interest group. |
| 2012-11-05 1:17 PM in reply to: #4484490 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win JoshR - 2012-11-05 2:10 PM I'm not a military man, but can you explain why they did this? I can't explain why they did it. What I find really confusing is the timing of such a thing. It's almost like they were aggitated with Colin Powell representing that the Military is behind Obama and they pooled their pennies and pooled their signatures for a full-page "FU" at him. It doesn't make much sense to me. If it were a month ago and they were making the rounds on the pundits, then it would make more sense. Maybe they'll explain over time.
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| 2012-11-06 10:24 PM in reply to: #4476856 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win powerman - 2012-10-31 10:41 AM You guys seem pretty hopeful... I just do not "feel" it. I know Obama's performance is hurting him. this election should be a slam dunk for anyone. But people do not seem to get excited about Romney, and he has problems himself. Ryan was another bone thrown to the far right that did nothing to "gain" votes and probably lost some moderates. I think this election will come out to who shows up at the polls. Lot's of unexcited people will not show up for Obama, but I do not see a lot of swing voters going out of their way for Romney. Obama should have already had his bags packed, but the fact that it is too close to call, and he is the incumbent, tells me we are probably in for 4 more years. Told ya. |
| 2012-11-06 10:41 PM in reply to: #4487202 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win powerman - 2012-11-06 10:24 PM powerman - 2012-10-31 10:41 AM You guys seem pretty hopeful... I just do not "feel" it. I know Obama's performance is hurting him. this election should be a slam dunk for anyone. But people do not seem to get excited about Romney, and he has problems himself. Ryan was another bone thrown to the far right that did nothing to "gain" votes and probably lost some moderates. I think this election will come out to who shows up at the polls. Lot's of unexcited people will not show up for Obama, but I do not see a lot of swing voters going out of their way for Romney. Obama should have already had his bags packed, but the fact that it is too close to call, and he is the incumbent, tells me we are probably in for 4 more years. Told ya. I'm so glad I didn't start this thread.... OK OK, I was totally on the same page so could have just as easily started it. It did come down to the turnout model and I really bought into the idea that the turnout wouldn't be anywhere close to 2008 and would be either even or even a slight R+ model. I was wrong and the national pollsters were right. I think the turnout was around a D+6 and Romney needed a D+2 or better I believe. Congrats to my liberal friends. |
| 2012-11-06 10:47 PM in reply to: #4487225 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win tuwood - 2012-11-06 9:41 PM powerman - 2012-11-06 10:24 PM powerman - 2012-10-31 10:41 AM You guys seem pretty hopeful... I just do not "feel" it. I know Obama's performance is hurting him. this election should be a slam dunk for anyone. But people do not seem to get excited about Romney, and he has problems himself. Ryan was another bone thrown to the far right that did nothing to "gain" votes and probably lost some moderates. I think this election will come out to who shows up at the polls. Lot's of unexcited people will not show up for Obama, but I do not see a lot of swing voters going out of their way for Romney. Obama should have already had his bags packed, but the fact that it is too close to call, and he is the incumbent, tells me we are probably in for 4 more years. Told ya. I'm so glad I didn't start this thread.... OK OK, I was totally on the same page so could have just as easily started it. It did come down to the turnout model and I really bought into the idea that the turnout wouldn't be anywhere close to 2008 and would be either even or even a slight R+ model. I was wrong and the national pollsters were right. I think the turnout was around a D+6 and Romney needed a D+2 or better I believe. Congrats to my liberal friends.
I forget which channel they were discussing it on, but someone said that the reason the D's had a higher turnout is the number of new voters were primarily D's. |
| 2012-11-06 11:07 PM in reply to: #4476420 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. |
| 2012-11-06 11:11 PM in reply to: #4487259 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win TriRSquared - 2012-11-06 11:07 PM Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. Such a gracious loser. |
| 2012-11-06 11:24 PM in reply to: #4487259 |
Extreme Veteran 1260 Miami | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win TriRSquared - 2012-11-07 12:07 AM Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. Very classy.... |
| 2012-11-06 11:27 PM in reply to: #4487259 |
Veteran 582 Golden, CO | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win TriRSquared - 2012-11-06 10:07 PM Not even a bit of introspection? Any chance Romney was just a really flawed candidate? Wait, "we kept the house." I thought you voted Lib.Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. |
| 2012-11-07 1:04 AM in reply to: #4487259 |
Veteran 334 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win TriRSquared - 2012-11-06 11:07 PM Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. Very gracious |
| 2012-11-07 1:09 AM in reply to: #4487259 |
Extreme Veteran 516 | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win TriRSquared - 2012-11-06 10:07 PM Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. ^Yep, doubt it though.
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| 2012-11-07 1:10 AM in reply to: #4487268 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win mr2tony - 2012-11-06 11:11 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-06 11:07 PM Such a gracious loser. Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. I have to admit, you all are more gracious losers than we are. |
| 2012-11-07 1:19 AM in reply to: #4487396 |
Extreme Veteran 516 | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win Left Brain - 2012-11-07 12:10 AM mr2tony - 2012-11-06 11:11 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-06 11:07 PM Such a gracious loser. Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. I have to admit, you all are more gracious losers than we are. LMAO!! Thanks I needed that!
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| 2012-11-07 6:50 AM in reply to: #4487259 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win TriRSquared - 2012-11-07 12:07 AM Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. I stopped doing that when Bush II won a second term. For all of you complaining about how the country is now going to be ruined, remember, we survived 2 terms of Bush in our lifetime. I'm pretty sure whatever happens next, the country will still be recognizable in 4 years. |
| 2012-11-07 7:01 AM in reply to: #4487308 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win moneyman - 2012-11-07 12:27 AM TriRSquared - 2012-11-06 10:07 PM Not even a bit of introspection? Any chance Romney was just a really flawed candidate? Wait, "we kept the house." I thought you voted Lib.Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. Romney was a flawed candidate. I just hoped that the American public would realize neither was perfect but that we need to assert some personal responsibility back into this country and get off the current path. I did vote Lib but I want there to be stagnation in government if Obama was reelected. Can you imagine a Democratic House, Senate and a second term Presidency? Shivers down my spine. This was my first year voting 3rd party so I still use "we" in terms of the Republicans. Old habits. As for gracious losing... Obama won fair and square. I'm not crying foul on that. The American people voted him in. I'm just disappointed in my fellow Americas right now. Edited by TriRSquared 2012-11-07 7:02 AM |
| 2012-11-07 7:48 AM in reply to: #4487495 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win TriRSquared - 2012-11-07 6:01 AM moneyman - 2012-11-07 12:27 AM TriRSquared - 2012-11-06 10:07 PM Not even a bit of introspection? Any chance Romney was just a really flawed candidate? Wait, "we kept the house." I thought you voted Lib.Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. Romney was a flawed candidate. I just hoped that the American public would realize neither was perfect but that we need to assert some personal responsibility back into this country and get off the current path. I did vote Lib but I want there to be stagnation in government if Obama was reelected. Can you imagine a Democratic House, Senate and a second term Presidency? Shivers down my spine. This was my first year voting 3rd party so I still use "we" in terms of the Republicans. Old habits. As for gracious losing... Obama won fair and square. I'm not crying foul on that. The American people voted him in. I'm just disappointed in my fellow Americas right now. I was worng as well. As you, disappointed. Also, very surprised. I know Romney was not the ideal candidate, but Mr. Obama sure has not shown he can lead or that he deserves another 4-years...at least in my opinion. Fifty-two percent of voters feel differently. I know...sour grapes. |
| 2012-11-07 8:15 AM in reply to: #4487259 |
Expert 790 Frisco | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win TriRSquared - 2012-11-06 11:07 PM Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage.
seats to high |
| 2012-11-07 8:29 AM in reply to: #4487582 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: I'm calling the election: Romney will win Boogie7247 - 2012-11-07 9:15 AM TriRSquared - 2012-11-06 11:07 PM Well I was wrong. I underestimated the lack of intelligence and personal responsibility in this country. Congrats, you guys deserve the President you got. Too bad the rest of us have to live with him too. At least we kept the house. Maybe they can keep him from doing any more damage. seats to high rather high than low... |
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