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kaburns1214 - 2013-05-06 12:09 PM I need to do a little brag -- my 400 split for my swim on Saturday qualified me for US Masters nationals.  Kind of a nifty little thing.

Very sweet.

X2!!! Congratulations Kelly!!! That is awesome!!!


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I love long runs. I get into my groove and the rest of the world just falls away. I'm still too nervous on the bike and swim to let go there.
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everlong - 2013-05-06 1:34 PM
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kaburns1214 - 2013-05-06 12:14 PM

Seeing we're talking about workout specifics --

What is everyone's favorite workout and why?

Intervals on the trainer, race pace effort outside on the bike and a tempo run are all up there for me. I probably especially love the race pace effort outside because pushing pretty hard for 2.75 hours is fun but then really digging in that last 15 just gives me that natural high.

I have to get the bike tuned up this week and have the chain replaced so I can do one of those Sunday morning.

If you are replacing the chain, you should also replace the cassette.  Chains and cassettes need to "marry" each other, so its a good thing to replace them at the same time. 

I have two wheels I use. One for the road and one for the trainer. I think my cassettes cost over $200 each so that's a pretty expensive change every 2500 miles or so. How often are you changing your chain and cassette? $500 every few months is rough.

Spring and fall.  So about every 3500-4000 miles. 

When buying chains and cassettes I've found that Amazon.com has the cheapest prices. 

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enders_shadow - 2013-05-06 1:39 PM I love long runs. I get into my groove and the rest of the world just falls away. I'm still too nervous on the bike and swim to let go there.

It'll come on the swim and bike (especially on the swim). 

2013-05-06 1:24 PM
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enders_shadow - 2013-05-06 12:39 PM I love long runs. I get into my groove and the rest of the world just falls away. I'm still too nervous on the bike and swim to let go there.

 

How long have you been running vs. biking/swimming?

2013-05-06 2:31 PM
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everlong - 2013-05-06 1:17 PM

kaburns1214 - 2013-05-06 12:09 PM I need to do a little brag -- my 400 split for my swim on Saturday qualified me for US Masters nationals.  Kind of a nifty little thing.

Very sweet.

X2!!! Congratulations Kelly!!! That is awesome!!!

YAY!!!



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kaburns1214 - 2013-05-06 12:14 PM

Seeing we're talking about workout specifics --

What is everyone's favorite workout and why?

My favorite workouts are long swims and long runs.  Long swims because I can zone out and I find it to be relaxing and good for my mental health.  Long runs because they beat up my body and I am a masochist.  My body feels almost like it's broken and I'm addicted to that sensation.  

Oh yeah, totally agree about the run.  I really really do love a good swim, particularly in this fresh water lake in Long Island but I could never say that about a pool swim

2013-05-06 2:38 PM
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So I just crossed over 1,000 miles using three different pairs of Kivanas which have a 4mm toe-to-heel drop. The Virrata is built the same way as Kivanas and just came out with a zero drop. I've done some mileage in pure minimalist shoes and they're fine for a beach or trail but for me too little for the road. I was wondering if anybody is using a similar product that's more of a modified speed shoe than a true minimalist shoe and opinions on the zero drop in general. The other upside to the Virrata is being an ounce lighter. I think having put in so many miles with a quasi minimalist shoe already the transition should be easy.
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kr140.6 - 2013-05-05 11:51 AM So I did Ragnar Cape Cod yesterday: 192 mile relay.  We had a blast!! I was supposed to run 20 miles divided in 3 legs, but I got lost on one leg and definitely added one more mile Surprised.  Only one of my teammates had done this kind of race before, so I enjoyed kinda being a mentor to the rest. It took us somewhere around 28 hours.  It was very laid back.  It really is a trip to be running in the middle of the night with a head lamp. 

Awesome!  What did you think of the whole experience?

x2. I'm interested in doing one next year.

Oh you should!! It is really a social more than a competitive experience (at least on my team where we were very laid back)...so you just keep running passing the baton (really a wrist slap band) at legs that vary from as little as 3 to as many as 10 miles at a time (some do 23 miles total, one member only did like 11 total miles) and you have to follow your guy in a van to the next exchange.  Running in the middle of the night we had shooting stars and the moon reflecting off the ocean/bay.... it was spectacular.  You make buddies with all the other crazy runners out there, even write things on each other's vans, etc.

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enders_shadow - 2013-05-06 12:39 PM I love long runs. I get into my groove and the rest of the world just falls away. I'm still too nervous on the bike and swim to let go there.

 

How long have you been running vs. biking/swimming?



Running off and on my whole life. Biking & swimming since 2007. Even when I took a year or so off tris, I kept running.
2013-05-06 2:57 PM
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Scott the Kinvaras 4's an ounce lighter than the 3's. Just saying...


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everlong - 2013-05-06 3:38 PM So I just crossed over 1,000 miles using three different pairs of Kivanas which have a 4mm toe-to-heel drop. The Virrata is built the same way as Kivanas and just came out with a zero drop. I've done some mileage in pure minimalist shoes and they're fine for a beach or trail but for me too little for the road. I was wondering if anybody is using a similar product that's more of a modified speed shoe than a true minimalist shoe and opinions on the zero drop in general. The other upside to the Virrata is being an ounce lighter. I think having put in so many miles with a quasi minimalist shoe already the transition should be easy.

I've been running on the Virratas (swapping them in and out with my Kinvara 3s).  There was a slight transition (a little calf pain, which is normal when decreasing the drop).  I find them to be super comfortable and I like the fact that the Virratas are built on a fairly wide shoe bed to help disperse shock. 

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So tomorrow is the first scheduled off day of this taper.  Let the feeling lazy and fat begin!!
2013-05-06 5:00 PM
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kaburns1214 - 2013-05-06 4:20 PM

everlong - 2013-05-06 3:38 PM So I just crossed over 1,000 miles using three different pairs of Kivanas which have a 4mm toe-to-heel drop. The Virrata is built the same way as Kivanas and just came out with a zero drop. I've done some mileage in pure minimalist shoes and they're fine for a beach or trail but for me too little for the road. I was wondering if anybody is using a similar product that's more of a modified speed shoe than a true minimalist shoe and opinions on the zero drop in general. The other upside to the Virrata is being an ounce lighter. I think having put in so many miles with a quasi minimalist shoe already the transition should be easy.

I've been running on the Virratas (swapping them in and out with my Kinvara 3s).  There was a slight transition (a little calf pain, which is normal when decreasing the drop).  I find them to be super comfortable and I like the fact that the Virratas are built on a fairly wide shoe bed to help disperse shock. 

Cool thanks.

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kidtri33 - 2013-05-06 3:57 PM Scott the Kinvaras 4's an ounce lighter than the 3's. Just saying...

I'm actually still running on K2s. I bought a bunch of pairs when the K3s came out for $44/pair.

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kidtri33 - 2013-05-06 3:57 PM Scott the Kinvaras 4's an ounce lighter than the 3's. Just saying...

I'm actually still running on K2s. I bought a bunch of pairs when the K3s came out for $44/pair.

Well if you don't switch the 3's are on running warehouse really cheap.


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So here's the race report.  As I mentioned, yesterday was my first triathlon, the Monticelloman Olympic near Charlottesville, VA.  I have broken down my impressions by section of the event.  Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to be able to remember this myself.  The event people say that there was some problem with the time calculations, so my splits may change, but I'm going to put them here anyway, just so I'll have the data all in one place.  

Prerace

There's a lot to prepare in advance of a triathlon.  I got there almost two hours in advance, and still had to scramble to get everything set up in time.  Part of that was that the parking was a long way away (this was my only real gripe about the event - otherwise it was great), but picking up a chip, getting marked, lubing up with both body glide and sunscreen, putting on wetsuit (backward the first time - oops!) setting up the bike plus all the gear, setting up the transition area for bike and for run, final trip to the toilet, brief warmup swim, gel 15 minutes before the start, takes a long time!  Lesson learned: Get more organized, and maybe get there a little earlier next time.  

Swim - 31:12

This was the part that frustrated me the most.  I worked really hard all through the winter at the swim, and made good progress, as best I can tell.  Then when I got into the water yesterday, I found I couldn't go more than 20-25 strokes without looking up and swimming breaststroke for awhile in order to catch my breath.  I think the reason for this was the temperature - 66 degrees.  My body wasn't cold b/c of the wetsuit, but putting my face and head into the water made me gasp for breath.  I'm guessing the only solution for this is to do it more often, but maybe you veterans have additional ideas.  The chaos of the group start (123 people started in my wave) was also disconcerting, and I found that swimming over people (or having them swim over me) made it hard to establish a rhythm.   I also need to work on sighting - I think between my zigs and zags, I swam farther than the full distance.  I ended up swimming breaststroke a little more than half the distance, and felt fried at the end.  Sigh.  Lesson Learned: Do more open water swims in cold water, I guess...

T1 - don't know my time yet, but I think around 5-6 minutes.  

I had managed to arrange everything so I could get to it easily, so this didn't go so badly.  (Probably also helped that many people had come and gone already by the time I got there.) My wife had lent me a very cute, multicolored towel with teddy bears on it to use as my place marker, which I thought was awesome, but I imagined people smirking at me.  It was chilly (high 40s and overcast at the start) outside, though, so I decided not to wear any tri-singlet under my wetsuit for the swim, which meant I had to put it on in T1, plus two other layers.  I also put on socks in T1, which took time.  Lesson Learned: I'll try to learn to go without socks and do the shoes-on-the-pedals-in-advance thing at some point, but I'm not ready for those yet.

Bike - 1:14 

I felt strong and confident on the bike, so this went well.  It was a hilly course, and that's what I like the most, so I ended up passing a lot of people on the hills.  I wasn't sure how to manage the no-drafting rules.  The group occasionally got bunched up and I was nervous we'd be called for drafting, but nobody did, as far as I know.  Turns out I made the right decision about three dry layers for the bike, since I heard several other people complaining about how they were so cold they couldn't ride fast.  

After several miles, I ended up riding in the same vicinity as a group of about 4 or 5 others of about the same ability.  They'd pass me on the downhills, and I'd catch and pass them when the roads turned up.  We ended up all finishing at roughly the same time.  I also planned to have two gels on the bike, but ended up only having one.  I didn't really know what to do, so I went hard on the bike, without intentionally backing off to save energy for the run.  I might save a little more next time.  Lesson Learned: Have the two gels, and save a little bit more for the run(?).

T2 - Again, don't know, but around 2 minutes

This went pretty smoothly.  Ran in my bike shoes for about 40 yards from the dismount line into the transition area proper.  I'll eventually learn how to do the take-feet-out-of-shoes-while-moving thing, but I'm not there yet.  Stripped off the outer layer, helmet, popped on race belt with number, popped on shoes, and ran.  

Run - 54:57

The first four miles of the run were really hard.  My legs felt really dead when I got off the bike.  All of the people I passed on the bike passed me back on the run, at least if felt that way.  I had one gel on the run - around the end of mile 1.  Here were my (unofficial) mile splits: 8:51; 9:22; 9:04; 9:12; 8:55; 8:30; 0:53.  I thought I had gotten faster as the run went along, but looking at the times now, it wasn't as big a difference as I thought.  Maybe I should've run harder toward the end.  I also need to work on drinking from paper cups while running.  I either spilled it all, or gulped equal parts water and air - no fun.  I did have one awesome moment of inspiration - at about mile 2, when I really needed it, I passed by a guy running with a prosthetic leg.  Seeing him out there with only one leg but fighting it and not letting it defeat him made me feel really great for him, and it made me hurt a little less.  Lesson learned: Do more brick workouts!  Overall finishing time: 2:48:10.  

Post-race

I was pretty wiped out at the finish, but felt better after I sat down and had something to drink.  I had a great endorphin rush after finishing, and on top of that, the sun came out, so it was a nice way to finish.  I had hoped to finish faster than 2:45, but in the scheme of things I'm still really pleased with 2:48.  It gives me a good baseline to work from starting now, and gave me some great understanding of things to do and things not to do.  I lay down on a grassy hillside and sunned myself like a walrus for about 15 minutes, had some food, stretched out calves and hamstrings, packed up my gear, and got on the road back to DC.   

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Congratulations, Matt!!  You are a triathlete!!!

Great job on the race and the RR.

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Welcome aboard!  I'm guessing you're in Georgia.  Both Chris and I lived in Atlanta / Decatur (although we're both in New England now).

Yep, currently in Athens, although have lived and worked all over Metro Atlanta.

I love Athens, UGA is a great place.

Go Dawgs!!!!

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kaburns1214 - 2013-05-06 12:09 PM I need to do a little brag -- my 400 split for my swim on Saturday qualified me for US Masters nationals.  Kind of a nifty little thing.

That is freakin' awesome!  Great job, Kelly!!!

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kaburns1214 - 2013-05-06 12:14 PM

Seeing we're talking about workout specifics --

What is everyone's favorite workout and why?

12/2 bike/run bricks.  I probably have a screw loose somewhere, but I really like bricks.  And I like the route I usually take for this particular workout.  My long run would be my second favorite for similar reasons as everyone else listed.



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Good morning everyone!

1:30 Bike and :50 Run for me this morning.  Its about 45 degrees here this morning so it will be a little bit nippy.

What's on tap for everyone else?

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kaburns1214 - 2013-05-07 5:34 AM

What's on tap for everyone else?

Bout to hop on the bike on the trainer for a 30 min session.

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kaburns1214 - 2013-05-07 5:34 AM

Good morning everyone!

1:30 Bike and :50 Run for me this morning.  Its about 45 degrees here this morning so it will be a little bit nippy.

What's on tap for everyone else?

1:50 z1/z2 run in the rain done. Sometimes I wish I owned a treadmill...
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Hour ride for me is on the plan - unfortunately, given the rain/thunderstorms that are supposed to be around all day, it looks like a trainer ride. But I'm working from home today so I'll just watch some crappy TV while I'm riding and that will make it better!
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