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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() swishyskirt - 2010-03-22 12:23 PM Please don't take my comments as a warning....I am only looking at my plan which is Endurance Nation and is about 7 weeks in on a 26 week plan and had me scheduled for a 15 hr week. I am certainly no expert as it's only my second IM. I think some of the volume is not sustainable in the plan since life gets in the way some weeks. If I can get it great, if not, get what you can and move on. My own opinion (and it is just that) is that if you are training to just finish the plans are a bit overdone and if you are training to race it at personal best type pace, then the plans are much more appropriate. No wigging out...there is plenty of time! We all may take different paths, but we will all end up at the same place....under that finishing chute big blow up thingy!!Monty - 2010-03-22 1:06 PM ... All the IM plans I have seen have the long rides at 4-5 hours by this point. Obviously you can't just jump in there and I think that was the jist of the message...make sure you are building slow and steady. Good luck to everyone and hope your training is coming along nicely. 4 months and 3 days to go! ![]() Hmm. Maybe because it's the free/first IM race version, but the BT IM training plan doesn't have any three hour rides until about three weeks from now. I'm starting to think your comment coupled with the "4 months and 3 days to go!" observation mean me and DC should start a wigging out club. ![]() |
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![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I am a card carrying member of the middle of the pack club and my goal is simply to finish uninjured and happy. Because I know how little I really know about the science of this sport I have been working with a coach. He has a Ph.D in exercise physiology and is himself a multiple IM finisher. Not to say that his way is the only way or that what is correct for me is correct for every other first timer, but the longest bike ride he has put me on so far is 2.5 hours on the Computrainer....and that was yesterday. Saturday I ran 16 miles.... and that is the longest run so far. My longest swim is 3600 yards. I know he is trying hard to help me balance work, family etc. and it is important also to not get injured or be too drained when the heavy volume comes over the next few months. I guess it all comes down to what your goals are..... |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Monty - 2010-03-22 1:58 PM swishyskirt - 2010-03-22 12:23 PM Please don't take my comments as a warning....I am only looking at my plan which is Endurance Nation and is about 7 weeks in on a 26 week plan and had me scheduled for a 15 hr week. I am certainly no expert as it's only my second IM. I think some of the volume is not sustainable in the plan since life gets in the way some weeks. If I can get it great, if not, get what you can and move on. My own opinion (and it is just that) is that if you are training to just finish the plans are a bit overdone and if you are training to race it at personal best type pace, then the plans are much more appropriate. No wigging out...there is plenty of time! We all may take different paths, but we will all end up at the same place....under that finishing chute big blow up thingy!!Monty - 2010-03-22 1:06 PM ... All the IM plans I have seen have the long rides at 4-5 hours by this point. Obviously you can't just jump in there and I think that was the jist of the message...make sure you are building slow and steady. Good luck to everyone and hope your training is coming along nicely. 4 months and 3 days to go! ![]() Hmm. Maybe because it's the free/first IM race version, but the BT IM training plan doesn't have any three hour rides until about three weeks from now. I'm starting to think your comment coupled with the "4 months and 3 days to go!" observation mean me and DC should start a wigging out club. ![]() lol. Is that the technical name for it? OK. Thanks. I will take all this into consideration. /wigging out. Time for a swim. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jackjack - 2010-03-22 1:40 PM cusetri, you are going to start a panic amongst first timers!!!!! You have a bit of talent and a lot of base and can handle that (and have been worked up to it) IMO 4-5 hour rides are not necessary this early in the season, especially if it is to be on the trainer! First time round my rides didn't go longer than 3hrs til mid April. There is plenty of time to do them. I also disagree that you should be putting tempo into long rides automatically. For less talented first timers who are aiming to finish then most of their long riding should be done at z2, going for time in the saddle to prepare for race day. Yes, I would put a bit of intensity stuff in but keep it to the shorter rides, especially this early in the season Oh and by the way I don't think I'm undertrained for the event "at this point in the season" ![]() sorry... ![]() not intended to worry folks, though after re-reading my post I can see how it could have, so I appologize if I have. jackjack knows her stuff, Ive meet her before and newbies would do well listening to her.... sometime I say too much..... ![]() |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() greyguy - 2010-03-22 2:02 PM I am a card carrying member of the middle of the pack club and my goal is simply to finish uninjured and happy. Because I know how little I really know about the science of this sport I have been working with a coach. He has a Ph.D in exercise physiology and is himself a multiple IM finisher. Not to say that his way is the only way or that what is correct for me is correct for every other first timer, but the longest bike ride he has put me on so far is 2.5 hours on the Computrainer....and that was yesterday. Saturday I ran 16 miles.... and that is the longest run so far. My longest swim is 3600 yards. I know he is trying hard to help me balance work, family etc. and it is important also to not get injured or be too drained when the heavy volume comes over the next few months. I guess it all comes down to what your goals are..... dude, that is a solid effort. IMO, 3-4 on the road will feel like cake compared to that. nice work. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cusetri - 2010-03-22 1:21 PM greyguy - 2010-03-22 2:02 PM I am a card carrying member of the middle of the pack club and my goal is simply to finish uninjured and happy. Because I know how little I really know about the science of this sport I have been working with a coach. He has a Ph.D in exercise physiology and is himself a multiple IM finisher. Not to say that his way is the only way or that what is correct for me is correct for every other first timer, but the longest bike ride he has put me on so far is 2.5 hours on the Computrainer....and that was yesterday. Saturday I ran 16 miles.... and that is the longest run so far. My longest swim is 3600 yards. I know he is trying hard to help me balance work, family etc. and it is important also to not get injured or be too drained when the heavy volume comes over the next few months. I guess it all comes down to what your goals are..... dude, that is a solid effort. IMO, 3-4 on the road will feel like cake compared to that. nice work. That's what I tell myself when I am in my pain cave suffering.....I hope you are right! thanks! |
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![]() cusetri - 2010-03-22 12:47 PM JoshKaptur - 2010-03-22 11:50 AM Fred (or others) - I was wondering if you could talk more about your caution against over-training and injury prevention at this point in the season. If I recall, you said it in response to a post about a long weekend ride. My gut feeling is that big bike miles are one of the safer ways to put up some big mileage right now. At least safer than ramping up run mileage too quickly. IMO, the time for those 4-5 hour rides is now. however, if you haven't been doing 3 hour rides the past few months, you're probably going to struggle with a 4 hour ride, at IM intensity....sure, you could go out there and hit the 4 hours, but you would be better off, IMO, doing a solid Z2 with a little bit of tempo for 3 hours. over-training is a non issue for us all. We are all undertrained for the event thus far....nothing wrong with that, its just a fact of life with jobs, family and kids. Injury prevention is just being smart, listening to your body and being honest with what your body can handle. Don't go looking for excuses as to why you can't handle something. 99% of the time, its too much too soon or an intensity level you are not ready for. Over training is never (for people on BT) the result of this....injury is. all that being said and looking at your logs, seems to me you need to get in the pool!!! EDIT: wow...you are going to run 56 miles this week? wow, I'd more concernd about that than a 80 mile bike ride. Mike hit it on the head: Listening to your body. Everyone's body handles training loads differently; and training loads for each specific discipline differently . A friend on my tri team who is also doing Lake Placid, and it's his first Ironman, is coached by one of the fastest Triathletes on Long Island -- and he had my friend doing a 4-hour bike this weekend. So according to one of the best coaches and triathletes in my neck of the woods, it is not to long for a 4-hour bike ; granted it's Saddle Time and Zone 2 work. We're not hammering for 4 hours!! |
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Coach![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If we define intensity in the training load equation (load = volume + intensity) i.e. using lactate threshold and define training levels/zones which are nothing but percentages of that threshold power/pace, then working a bit more on long rides for both beginners or experienced athlete is going to allow them maximize their training adaptations = greater fitness gains. General plans are just that general hence some adjustments should happen to fit your needs. Some athletes might already be doing 4+ hr rides, others 2-3 hrs and yet others less than that even though we are around 17 weeks off LP. As long as the plan progresses for the athlete to handle the distance in particular over the last 8 weeks it work out fine. Finally one can’t give much a sound opinion over another athlete’s plan (re: 50+ mpw running) without knowing the reasoning behind it and the specifics of the plan. Some athletes might have been working more on their run fitness right now and devoting less time riding and then he/she will progress into maintaining that run fitness with less volume and adding more load for cycling. |
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![]() JoshKaptur - 2010-03-22 1:51 PM Thanks for the personalized feedback all. In defense of 56 miles of running this week. My run volume for the last 9 weeks: 41, 47, 24 (recovery), 49, 47, 51, 29 (recovery), 43, 50 All of that is done on 7-9 runs per week, with a weekly long run of only 12-14 miles, with no speedwork. I got there via the "run lots, mostly slow, sometimes fast" method. My times have dropped significantly, I've lost about 30 pounds, and I FEEL great. I can't remember the last time I had a run with an avg HR above 150. Whereas I used to be a very injury prone runner at 20-25 miles per week, all done too hard. I don't have any marathons planned, though I wanted to... but I took the counsel of others who said running a marathon in prep for IM would just take away from my IM training. So I trained through the winter on my run fitness (I hate the trainer and dont' bike in the cold), so that I'd be basically in marathon shape, but not actually run the marathon. My plan has me reducing my running mileage to a maintenance phase while increasing bike time significantly as the weather + daylight situation improves. All that said, I am very open to opinions that I'm running too much???? Andy Potts runs 50 miles a week and he finishestop 10 at Kona. So unless you are going for a Kona spot |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() x2 on the it's ok to work a higher intensity on the long ride camp. I've always been an advocate for that. It's very difficult to injure yourself on a bike ride when you push a little bit. All you will get is fatigued. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Now back to the fun stuff.......who wants to post their bike pic next?? |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Here's a quick question... how many of you out there train on carbon wheels or do you use the traditional alloy rim? |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Mcluvin22 - 2010-03-22 2:14 PM Here's a quick question... how many of you out there train on carbon wheels or do you use the traditional alloy rim? carbon and tubulars too expensive...aluminum clinchers and gatorskins for training for me. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JorgeM - 2010-03-22 9:13 AM gopennstate - 2010-03-21 9:38 PM PennState - 2010-03-21 10:00 AM Felt DA is very nice. GPS also rides the DA. Shhhh! ![]() Much more my style. Jorge rides the DA as well. are you insane?!?! is it that much of a step down in bike quality or something else? i told the potential buyer i wasn't sure yet. but man do i love that pink one. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() We go to sleep over here on the island and you guys get all crazy. I love getting to my inbox and seeing IM USA filling it up. I'm sure it's been said on this thread before but I'll say it again. Don't get caught up in what someone else's logs look like. It can be intimidating looking at some of these monster's logs. You have to stick to your plan, trust it, believe in it, but don't be afraid to question it. If you work without a coach you can find some help on this site you just have to trust the person you are getting your info from. Luckily this thread is full of knowledgeable people who are full of experience, and seem to be very willing and able to help a BT'er out. This thread is full of fasties and smarties, use them while you've got them. I just wanted to let anyone using a BT plan for the first time not to stress out. I've used them twice and will be using it this year again. I was well prepared for both of my races and faired pretty well. Like others have mentioned, you have to adjust it to you and your life.
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Lots of sweet bikes will be up at Lake Placid! RI 70.3 is going to offer early 2011 IMLP registration again this year..confirmed it with Ironman. Now pondering if that is best way to sign up as I can stay at home and do the 70.3...but I have already registered for 2 other 70.3s. As much as I'd love to go up to LP to volunteer, see all of you guys race, and sign up logistically easier to do the 70.3 as we plan to drive to Minnesota about that time in July. |
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