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Sensei  Sin City |  Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TANchadtower - 2008-06-19 9:39 AM lvthgme - 2008-06-19 12:30 PM A) They didn't just "have a winning record" Actually, in a sport where one player can dominate the game the whole way, and you have the best player of all time on your team, it doesn't really take a lot of talented players to play well together. The Bulls had Jordan, they had a debatable allstar in Pippen, and pretty much a bunch of random plugins.
B) It takes a lot to get talented players to play well TOGETHER. C) I could go on and on, but I won't. =) I don't think it's debatable. He was great. But his role was a #2 - and could be one of the BEST #2 guys out there, ever. He just fell apart when he had to lead (when MJ left) |
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Expert  3974     MA | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN Spokes - 2008-06-19 12:39 PM I don't dislike baseball - the fans are generally much better behaved than in a football stadium - but it can really bore me to watch guys stand around and scratch their nuts. OTOH, I can sit down and watch people play a pickup baseball/softball game anytime. How can someone say they can't watch baseball but then say they can watch a random pickup softball game? Softball is everything boring about baseball without any of the fun. It's like playing baseball underwater. |
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Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN Spokes - 2008-06-19 11:44 AM mr2tony - 2008-06-19 9:42 AM chadtower - 2008-06-19 11:39 AM That team was STACKED with Rodman, Kerr and a bunch of other people I can't remember. lvthgme - 2008-06-19 12:30 PM A) They didn't just "have a winning record" Actually, in a sport where one player can dominate the game the whole way, and you have the best player of all time on your team, it doesn't really take a lot of talented players to play well together. The Bulls had Jordan, they had a debatable allstar in Pippen, and pretty much a bunch of random plugins.
B) It takes a lot to get talented players to play well TOGETHER. C) I could go on and on, but I won't. =) Rodman was a rebounding freak, which went well with the rest of the freakiness. Kerr - they had him there for one reason only, which was to sit out at the 3pt line and kill the other team when Jordan was all double or triple-teamed - they'd flip the ball out to him, BANG, 3pt shot in. Don't forget Bill Cartwright. Very underrated. Oh yeah and LUUUUUUUUUKE Longley. |
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| Expert 3974 MA | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN Aikidoman - 2008-06-19 12:43 PM I don't think it's debatable. He was great. But his role was a #2 - and could be one of the BEST #2 guys out there, ever. He just fell apart when he had to lead (when MJ left) It is easily debatable. He wasn't all that much of a great while Jordan was gone. Pippen spent years benefitting from defenses constantly rolling away from him and towards Jordan. Jordan would be seeing triple coverage in the paint on a regular basis - hell you could have plugged any other allstar into that #2 role and they would have been at least as good and probably better. |
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| Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN mr2tony - 2008-06-19 9:42 AM chadtower - 2008-06-19 11:39 AM That team was STACKED with Rodman, Kerr and a bunch of other people I can't remember. lvthgme - 2008-06-19 12:30 PM A) They didn't just "have a winning record" Actually, in a sport where one player can dominate the game the whole way, and you have the best player of all time on your team, it doesn't really take a lot of talented players to play well together. The Bulls had Jordan, they had a debatable allstar in Pippen, and pretty much a bunch of random plugins.
B) It takes a lot to get talented players to play well TOGETHER. C) I could go on and on, but I won't. =) There were a couple different teams during the two runs. Paxon and Cartwright and Grant (the first run), then Purdue, Kerr, BJ Armstrong, Rodman etc during the second. They have never been strong in the center position, but they were good enough. |
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| Champion 5868 Urbandale, IA | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN Spokes - 2008-06-19 11:39 AM jdwright56 - 2008-06-19 9:37 AM - 2008-06-19 11:27 AM Basketball? does anyone else here find basketball more boring to watch than baseball?
Depends on what basketball. College I like - pros not so much. Oh yeah - and nothing is better than baseball. I don't dislike baseball - the fans are generally much better behaved than in a football stadium - but it can really bore me to watch guys stand around and scratch their nuts. OTOH, I can sit down and watch people play a pickup baseball/softball game anytime. Here is the thing about baseball. There are six or seven games within the game to be watched. Unfortunatelt, you don't get that perspective on television. You have to be at the game, or have the guy running the camera luck into spotting something happen. Baseball is far more complicated than most people realize, and it is that about the game that I enjoy (plus the beer and ballpark food). My Dad always said - Watching baseball is like sex - if you're not enjoying it, then you are doing it wrong. And you haven't had enough to drink. Actually, he never said that last part - that's all me. |
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| Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN Spokes - 2008-06-19 11:44 AM chadtower - 2008-06-19 9:43 AM Spokes - 2008-06-19 12:39 PM I don't dislike baseball - the fans are generally much better behaved than in a football stadium - but it can really bore me to watch guys stand around and scratch their nuts. OTOH, I can sit down and watch people play a pickup baseball/softball game anytime. How can someone say they can't watch baseball but then say they can watch a random pickup softball game? Softball is everything boring about baseball without any of the fun. It's like playing baseball underwater.
I guess I like it because its just people having fun, they make mistakes, they razz each other, its more *real* than sitting a couple of hundred yards away in the stands You should come to one of our games. You can sit right up front. |
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| Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN Baseball, to me, is a game I love to play but really don't like to watch. Then again, somedays there's nothing better than going to an Omaha Royals (AAA) baseball game, getting a couple dogs, a nacho and a big beer and watching a game with my brother. |
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| Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN HA! So along the same lines, what about when said favorite player does go to the dark side. Like Romo (I don't like him either) when he went to the Raiders. Or Damon to the Yankees. Talk about making it hard on the fan. Oof. I haven't had that one happen to me yet, but I know some people who it happened too. They burned their jersey in protest.
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| Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN chadtower - 2008-06-19 9:45 AM Aikidoman - 2008-06-19 12:43 PM I don't think it's debatable. He was great. But his role was a #2 - and could be one of the BEST #2 guys out there, ever. He just fell apart when he had to lead (when MJ left) It is easily debatable. He wasn't all that much of a great while Jordan was gone. Pippen spent years benefitting from defenses constantly rolling away from him and towards Jordan. Jordan would be seeing triple coverage in the paint on a regular basis - hell you could have plugged any other allstar into that #2 role and they would have been at least as good and probably better.
Huh? You said he was a debateble allstar, and then you say they you could put any OTHER allstar and they would be AT LEAST as Good? Pippen = Allstar....
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| Expert 3974 MA | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN mr2tony - 2008-06-19 12:46 PM Then again, somedays there's nothing better than going to an Omaha Royals (AAA) baseball game, getting a couple dogs, a nacho and a big beer and watching a game with my brother. I take my kids to a lot of Pawsox games. We went to one last week that went 13. Lots of fun. I find that I enjoy teaching baseball a whole lot more than I did playing it. I played for a long time and would get pretty sick of it by the time any season was ending. I think more than most sports politics plays a real role in amateur baseball and I just hate that crap. |
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| Elite 2634 in front of my computer duh! | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN Dodger Stadium, with a Beer a dodger dog some nachos and cracker jacks watching the Dodgers. Baseball is great. It is however hard to watch on TV just like hockey. Hockey is great to be there but hard to watch on TV. I say this because the primary job of the camera is to follow the puck. However A lot of action happens no where near the puck and you miss that on TV |
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| Expert 3974 MA | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN Aikidoman - 2008-06-19 12:47 PM Huh? You said he was a debateble allstar, and then you say they you could put any OTHER allstar and they would be AT LEAST as Good? Pippen = Allstar....
What I said makes sense. At least as good means "equal to or better than", meaning no worse. I think they would have been better. That's just opinion, though. Look at it this way... any guy that throws a tantrum on the sideline and refuses to enter a playoff game in the closing minute deserves to be questioned. Edited by chadtower 2008-06-19 11:52 AM |
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| Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN I love Minor League baseball. Especially Single A. Quality of the play is not THAT great, but man, those guys are really busting their backsides just trying to make it to the next level. Used to go watch the Cedar Rapids Kernals play all the time when I was in CR. At the OLD ball park. They have a new stadium now, but the old one was like stepping back in time 50 years. ALL wood. ALL painted green. Just awesome. I miss that ball park. |
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| Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN Rynamite - 2008-06-19 9:49 AM I got to Altoona Curve games a lot (AA). Beautiful stadium, beautiful beer, beautiful food, beautiful girls... awesome. I grew up in STL. For baseball, not a better town IMO. The BEST fans. But they take there baseball seriously, so it's not as much as a "let's go to be seen" kind of place like I have noticed in some other towns. Not that it's a bad thing. I like seeing girls that "want to be seen" They look purty..... |
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| Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: TAN #29 The case of the disappearing TAN Aikidoman - 2008-06-19 11:52 AM Rynamite - 2008-06-19 9:49 AM I got to Altoona Curve games a lot (AA). Beautiful stadium, beautiful beer, beautiful food, beautiful girls... awesome. I grew up in STL. For baseball, not a better town IMO. The BEST fans. But they take there baseball seriously, so it's not as much as a "let's go to be seen" kind of place like I have noticed in some other towns. Not that it's a bad thing. I like seeing girls that "want to be seen" They look purty..... You mean like Wrigley? I'm a Sox fan. |
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