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 2007-08-24 7:39 AM in reply to: #938612 |
Champion  9600     Fountain Hills, AZ |  Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes..jcjsc00 - 2007-08-24 12:12 AM When racing IM what zone do you go for? I've read the plan in "Going Long" but was curious about everyone commenting here has done or is planning. Bryan, you said you were targeting between 138 and 148 and came in at 148? I don't believe that in Zone 1 for you, Where would it be? It's kind of a combo High Zone 2 (138) and high Zone 3 (148). As I trained, this 138-148 me specific heart rate range became the focus of 100% of my aerobic base training. It still is today. Although my actual zone #'s have most likely moved over time with all the work I have done, this zone seemed to represent my best bang for my aerobic buck. I used the 148 number for all my MAF tests and I was continously improving using this zone, so my coach just had me keep working it as I seemed to be responding very well in terms of effort, pacing, fatigue. Of course, on the bike after my flat, I did go into a solid Zone 4 for about 30min. to try and make up time lost, but I settled back down below 148. On the run, I let my HR creep up as the run progressed, happy to see it wasn't flagging and knowing that after half way, I just need to push as much as I could, so I was above 148 frequently during the run, so that's why I averaged 148 on the day. |
| 2007-08-24 8:59 AM in reply to: #938699 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. bryancd - 2007-08-24 7:39 AM jcjsc00 - 2007-08-24 12:12 AM It's kind of a combo High Zone 2 (138) and high Zone 3 (148). As I trained, this 138-148 me specific heart rate range became the focus of 100% of my aerobic base training. It still is today. Although my actual zone #'s have most likely moved over time with all the work I have done, this zone seemed to represent my best bang for my aerobic buck. I used the 148 number for all my MAF tests and I was continously improving using this zone, so my coach just had me keep working it as I seemed to be responding very well in terms of effort, pacing, fatigue. Of course, on the bike after my flat, I did go into a solid Zone 4 for about 30min. to try and make up time lost, but I settled back down below 148. On the run, I let my HR creep up as the run progressed, happy to see it wasn't flagging and knowing that after half way, I just need to push as much as I could, so I was above 148 frequently during the run, so that's why I averaged 148 on the day.When racing IM what zone do you go for? I've read the plan in "Going Long" but was curious about everyone commenting here has done or is planning. Bryan, you said you were targeting between 138 and 148 and came in at 148? I don't believe that in Zone 1 for you, Where would it be? Based on what you comment on the "watts” thread I think those number are a bit misleading as those are not HR numbers for your bike. IOW those are numbers which worked for you based on the guesstimate done by your coach but it doesn’t mean they represent usual HR zones as established by Friel, Coggan, or others. That been said my guess is that you raced near your high end Z2 for the bike (maybe low Z3). Regardless of your freakish genes, I really doubt you could ride real high Z3 and still have enough juice for the run. But we can only guess cuz you haven't done a bike LTHR test. Just clarifying that to avoid anyone to think they could train to ride that hard just to end up walking 26 miles... |
 2007-08-24 9:36 AM in reply to: #922334 |
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| 2007-08-24 11:33 AM in reply to: #938826 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Yes, it would be more a mid Zone 2 to a low to mid Zone 3. I did a VO2 test on the bike and on the run last year to establish my initial training zones. I then follwed with 2 run only tests as my season progressed last year, but never back on the bike. It really is a zone specific top me and how I respond, it's not based on any recently tested training zones and only applies to me, I didn't mean to make it sound like a training recomendation. Edited by bryancd 2007-08-24 11:35 AM |
| 2007-08-26 6:58 PM in reply to: #922334 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Just for clarification, my point of starting this thread was for potential Kona qualifiers to really understand what it will take to make the cut. The races today prove that if you are under age 45, anything less than a 10:30 race puts you at the mercy of things beyond your control. It's our choice. Edited by bryancd 2007-08-26 6:59 PM |
| 2007-08-27 12:23 AM in reply to: #922334 |
| Champion 9430 No excuses! | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. And we love you for starting this thread. It is the motivation to get the A@# out the door when we don't feel like it!!! |
| 2007-08-27 6:27 PM in reply to: #922334 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Probably need to bring up the issue of race selection. Race selection is important and as all the races attract a similar number of participants, the AG spreads are similar, so you need to get in a race with maximum 80 slots to increase the number per AG. You used to be able to make the argument that some races were more competetive than others, but at this point, due to IRONMAN popularity, they are all going to be competetive in each AG. It's hard enought that they sell out so quickly, but if the only thing you can control is which race you do, pick one that has the most opportunity for qualifying in terms of slots allocated, course, time of year, weather conditions, ect. |
| 2007-08-28 11:29 AM in reply to: #922334 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Some great race selection info is in this thread as well: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp... |
| 2007-08-30 7:15 AM in reply to: #922334 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Bryan, Just some of the free stuff you get when you KQ: http://www.gusports.com/kona2007.html I'll take a pair of socks if you get some extra. ;P |
| 2007-08-30 5:31 PM in reply to: #922334 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Dude! That's so cool, thank you for posting, I'll send you the socks! |
| 2007-08-31 5:51 AM in reply to: #922334 |
| Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Gu socks totally rock .... I'm up to about 6 pairs of them with the Team Gu deal (I usually take one or two pairs when I trade in my "points" for racing). |
| 2007-09-02 6:46 PM in reply to: #922334 |
| Expert 657 Portland | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. I'd really like to read this ridiculously long thread. It sounds interesting although a bit long-winded, but I have to go clean my bike and get ready for an early am ride tomorrow... Maybe I will have more time to sit back and read tomorrow. I look forward to it. |
| 2007-09-05 11:44 AM in reply to: #922334 |
| Expert 657 Portland | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. How many annual training hours should somebody commit to if shooting for a Kona slot? Friel gives a range of 600-1200, which is a huge spectrum. I had shot for 500 this year with two HIM's and fell a little short, but my schedule is a bit more open for '08, so as much as 800 might be possible. |
| 2007-09-05 11:52 AM in reply to: #952673 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. You know, I don't think basing it on total training time is a good way to approach it. Time is relative for everybody, meaning if I can ride 110 miles in 4:30 and someone else takes 6:00, my time will seem lower but I'm clearly much stronger and faster. At the peak of my training, I was training 22 hours/week. My total training hours from June of 2006- IMAZ on April 13th 2007 was 548 hours, so that was 10 months. That would have been about 650 hours annualized. I really think it depends more on the quality of your training and ultimately, Kona qualifying is all about your pace. If you can get fast enough to do a 10 hour IM, regardless of training time, you are in the right ballpark. Edited by bryancd 2007-09-05 11:53 AM |
| 2007-09-05 5:51 PM in reply to: #924570 |
| Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. I think with some people who don't quite understand what you are trying to illustrate...confidences is mistaken for arrogance. But without a doubt it's that confidence that separates good athletes from the "best" athletes. AMEN. Nothing to add to the TRI side of this but I have been told time and time again that my very high self-confidence comes across as arrogance (and since I'm a chick...I'm obviously a b*tch). Anyway, GREAT thread. I'm sitting here on the couch with my operated-on-less-than-twelve-hours-ago-knee and getting all motivated to train again |
I will read on.... | 2007-09-10 4:04 PM in reply to: #931256 |
| Expert 657 Portland | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. gadzinm - 2007-08-19 8:11 PM I totally agree with you. But like I said from a course and time perspective you can't even compare the two. One is ultra flat and the other is hilly. I mean it's not even reasonable to compare the two from a time perspective. What I was simply illustrating is that the depth of the age group field is totally differnent. I believe that difference is in part due to the Kona offering and potentially the timing (Early June as opposed to mid Aug) I may even go out on a limb and say that the PRO field was deeper at Eagleman as well. While both attract a star studded group there seems to be a diff. Not sure if it matter though for the PROs though as they can't qualify for Kona via 70.3 anyway and that was my main point previously. Please explain this...if you are not comparing times as you mentioned in the previous sentence, then what information exactly are you basing this statement on? Or are you just blowing hot air & smoke? |
| 2007-09-10 4:51 PM in reply to: #922334 |
| Veteran 190 Knoxville, TN | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. How do you find out which races have how many qualifying slots of AGers? |
| 2007-09-10 5:13 PM in reply to: #958864 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. nhmorgan - 2007-09-10 4:51 PM How do you find out which races have how many qualifying slots of AGers? It's listed on the home page for all the North American Ironman race sites. It's on the left. It's the combined total of pro and AG slots available. The actual slot allocation is based on the neumber of participants that start the race in each AG, they are pro-rated based on that. |
| 2007-09-10 11:01 PM in reply to: #922334 |
| Champion 9430 No excuses! | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Oohh come on Bryan, why the edit of the last post?? I loved that little dose of reality!! |
| 2007-09-11 7:05 AM in reply to: #959358 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Shermbelle - 2007-09-10 11:01 PM Oohh come on Bryan, why the edit of the last post?? I loved that little dose of reality!! I didn't! Oh, you know what happened? They must have removed the spam and I had linked it, so my post got kiboshed! What I said was go out and ride 100 miles every weekend at 22mph and run 20 miles the next day in the low 7's week in and week out and you are probably in the right ballpark to qualify! |
| 2007-09-11 8:35 AM in reply to: #959493 |
| Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Or burned out or injured .......  |
| 2007-09-11 8:35 AM in reply to: #959493 |
| Champion 9430 No excuses! | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. bryancd - 2007-09-11 8:05 AM Shermbelle - 2007-09-10 11:01 PM Oohh come on Bryan, why the edit of the last post?? I loved that little dose of reality!! I didn't! Oh, you know what happened? They must have removed the spam and I had linked it, so my post got kiboshed! What I said was go out and ride 100 miles every weekend at 22mph and run 20 miles the next day in the low 7's week in and week out and you are probably in the right ballpark to qualify! I think that is the cold hard truth of this whole thread. You can analyze numbers, search out a venue that might not bring the top of the top, but when the rubber meets the road being trained and ready to handle the miles and flat out beat your fellow age groupers is the one sure way to get to Kona.  Now if it was only as easy to do as it is to say  |
| 2007-09-11 8:40 AM in reply to: #959573 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Daremo - 2007-09-11 8:35 AM Or burned out or injured ....... "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far they can go." TS Elliot ... |
| 2007-09-11 8:43 AM in reply to: #959493 |
| Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. bryancd - 2007-09-11 7:05 AM sorry dude, that is excessive at best... Shermbelle - 2007-09-10 11:01 PM Oohh come on Bryan, why the edit of the last post?? I loved that little dose of reality!! I didn't! Oh, you know what happened? They must have removed the spam and I had linked it, so my post got kiboshed! What I said was go out and ride 100 miles every weekend at 22mph and run 20 miles the next day in the low 7's week in and week out and you are probably in the right ballpark to qualify!EDIT - unless it was a sarcastic response that I didn't see since a post was deleted... Edited by amiine 2007-09-11 8:56 AM |
| 2007-09-11 8:47 AM in reply to: #959358 |
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