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 2010-02-08 10:53 AM in reply to: #2661199 |
Sensei  Sin City |  Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official ThreadI looked up the profiles again over the weekend and just can't see it (mapmytri)... Yep, steady climb (twice) on the bike and the run is tilted up for the first 5 miles. I get it... However, I just can't get my head around the course being THAT hard... Walking bikes? Few people walk the 3 sisters in Silverman (with grades of around 16-18%), so I think it can be done... However, I will have to defer to the people who have ridden it. I plan to go up there sometime in the next month and check it out... HOWEVER, a part of my training program is to ride up Mt. Charleston as many times as I can. That's 17.5 miles with 5500 feet of climbing without a break... that's 6% average. Do that twice in a ride, and it has to be just as hard as IMUT. I'm wondering, is everyone looking at this the same way? Maybe the course is very difficult to set a PR or get a really fast time, but I look at it more as is it hard to FINISH with a respectable time for an IM (whatever that is for you/me). Will I break a 12 hour IM on this course? No, it's too hard for that. Will I finish? Of course. It's not THAT hard. |
| 2010-02-08 11:10 AM in reply to: #2661233 |
Extreme Veteran  492  Austin, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Kido - 2010-02-08 10:53 AM I looked up the profiles again over the weekend and just can't see it (mapmytri)... Yep, steady climb (twice) on the bike and the run is tilted up for the first 5 miles. I get it... However, I just can't get my head around the course being THAT hard... Walking bikes? Few people walk the 3 sisters in Silverman (with grades of around 16-18%), so I think it can be done... However, I will have to defer to the people who have ridden it. I plan to go up there sometime in the next month and check it out... HOWEVER, a part of my training program is to ride up Mt. Charleston as many times as I can. That's 17.5 miles with 5500 feet of climbing without a break... that's 6% average. Do that twice in a ride, and it has to be just as hard as IMUT. I'm wondering, is everyone looking at this the same way? Maybe the course is very difficult to set a PR or get a really fast time, but I look at it more as is it hard to FINISH with a respectable time for an IM (whatever that is for you/me). Will I break a 12 hour IM on this course? No, it's too hard for that. Will I finish? Of course. It's not THAT hard. Again, I think anyone that has trained somewhat properly won't have a problem. But, anyone that hasn't put in the bike miles will have a problem. I don't think you'll see masses of people walking that hill but I do think you will see some. I'll post a more detailed bike and run report later when I have more time. Hopefully I'll figure out how to post an image.  Also note that I did NOT have the appropriate crank or cassette for my ride this weekend which made the climbs tougher. I rode a regular size 54-39 front chain ring with a 12-23 back. I plan on going compact and 12-25 on back. |
| 2010-02-08 11:39 AM in reply to: #2661233 |
Champion 5781  Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Kido - 2010-02-08 8:53 AM I'm wondering, is everyone looking at this the same way? Maybe the course is very difficult to set a PR or get a really fast time, but I look at it more as is it hard to FINISH with a respectable time for an IM (whatever that is for you/me). Will I break a 12 hour IM on this course? No, it's too hard for that. Will I finish? Of course. It's not THAT hard. I'm pretty confident that if the race was next weekend, I'd have a good shot at a PR. Of course, since my one previous IM was basically on one leg with a blown-up hamstring going in, that isn't saying much. (What it is saying is that I'm pretty sure I'm already set up for solidly under 13:45.) By race day, I do think I have at least a shot at 12 hours, honestly. Even with the injury, I was on track for around 12:15-12:30 at mile 16 of the Vineman run when the hamstring finally called it a day and I had to walk. If I stay healthy, I'm training for something between 11:45 and 12:45, ideally. You never know what the day will bring, but that's what my training is pointing toward...so far... |
| 2010-02-08 12:18 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Member 101 Lost Wages Nevada | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread First off, I am really not trying to offend anyone here. I just feel like this thread has fallen into two camps 1) those who are scared that they haven’t done enough Don’t stress over how hard it’s going to be. Hopefully that’s part of what you do when you train so that it won’t be new on race day. |
| 2010-02-08 12:50 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Master 1359 South of SLC | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread |
| 2010-02-08 1:36 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Expert 1258 Marin County, California | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread x2 Amen Jason. |
| 2010-02-08 4:31 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Veteran 192 Southern California | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread I rode the loop last summer, here is my report on it: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=163792&posts=19&mid=2213740&highlight=&highlightmode=1&action=search#M2213740. It has some pictures to help get a visual on the hills. I still think pacing will be the most critical part of the day. The climbing on the bike has a few tough spots, but nothing too bad. I judge a rides difficulty on how I feel after I am done and how I feel the next day. I remember feeling good afterwards and hike around Zion the entire next day. Train for the climbs and you will be fine. None of them were that long and were spread out enough to recover from them. Most of the ride does indeed feel flat, but with rollers and the pavement is not great on much of the ascent. I have my concerns about my training, but fixating on them won't help me so i just have to get out and ride and run. Between being much heavier than I wanted to be at this point and missing way to many workouts I still feel like I will get it done. Not fast, but done. My long workouts are on target, but the frequency of the rest have been bad. |
| 2010-02-08 4:57 PM in reply to: #2662112 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread I'm not scurt. If it was easy, it wouldn't be Ironman... Besides, it just doesn't look all that hilly to me, and I SUCK at hills... But maybe because there really isn't anything flat to train on around here, so I don't know any better. |
| 2010-02-08 5:47 PM in reply to: #2662112 |
Extreme Veteran 488 Phoenix | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread bwiens - 2010-02-08 2:31 PM I rode the loop last summer, here is my report on it: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=163792&posts=19&mid=2213740&highlight=&highlightmode=1&action=search#M2213740. It has some pictures to help get a visual on the hills. I still think pacing will be the most critical part of the day. The climbing on the bike has a few tough spots, but nothing too bad. I judge a rides difficulty on how I feel after I am done and how I feel the next day. I remember feeling good afterwards and hike around Zion the entire next day. Train for the climbs and you will be fine. None of them were that long and were spread out enough to recover from them. Most of the ride does indeed feel flat, but with rollers and the pavement is not great on much of the ascent. I have my concerns about my training, but fixating on them won't help me so i just have to get out and ride and run. Between being much heavier than I wanted to be at this point and missing way to many workouts I still feel like I will get it done. Not fast, but done. My long workouts are on target, but the frequency of the rest have been bad. Great pictures!!! Are those pictures of the "big" hills? The ones you posted really don't look that bad, so I'm starting to feel better about this! |
| 2010-02-08 6:31 PM in reply to: #2662112 |
Regular 63 Fort Collins, CO | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Thanks for the link to the pics of the course. I rode the loop back in April and ran one loop of the run course. The pics are a great reminder of what the course was like. I'm in the "didn't think it was that bad" camp and I'm no climber (6'1", 200lbs) by any stretch. I'm very thankful for the long downhill run into T2 and hopeful that we'll get to use most or all of the lane. Anyone see anything posted on road closure for the event? I am going to use a compact crank and an 11-26 cassette. I used my standard crank and an 11-23 when I was out there in the fall and I couldn't get comfortable on a couple of the climbs. I road race with the compact set-up in CO and am very comfortable on that. If you want to really scare yourself miss the turn onto Diagonal and continue up Main Street for another block past the round about. It feels like it goes almost verticle and seriously made me reconsider having signed up for this event. I didn't realize till after I got back to my hotel that I had missed the turn and wasn't on the run course. I plan on passing through SG in a few weeks and will check out the ride into town from T1 as well as get another run in on the course. Edited by garryowen96 2010-02-08 6:32 PM |
| 2010-02-08 6:50 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Extreme Veteran 549 Marietta, GA | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Thanks for being the voice of reason, Jason! I'm also in the shut up, train, and just do it camp. |
| 2010-02-08 7:39 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Veteran 168 | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Great BLOG here but I just want to add something; I agree that if we do the training, we will be ok. I won't be able to try the rout before the race but the hills here in Puerto Rico are pretty close to the ones in St. George and the weather is very hot. I always tell my kids that if they do their homework and study, they will always pass the test. I know we will be ok but guys keep your mind positive because on race day, you may be physically ready, but your mind can ruin your day. |
| 2010-02-08 8:48 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Veteran 192 Southern California | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Those cover all of the hills on the loop. As for 'Big', just the switch-back is of any size/distance. From memory there was really five climbs of notice, none to get worked up over. The switch-back is the toughest and comes late in the loop, but it is going to be less than 10 minutes of work to get up. The climb after Gunlock is the second toughest, but it too os short, less than 5 minutes. The others being the climb up to the climb on Hwy 91, he Reservoir, and the climb on Hwy 18. The Hwy 18 climb was the worst for me, not physically, but mentally. I got on the hwy and thought it was all downhill from there. I looked up and saw the small climb and had a momentary let down. I just kept pedaling and it was no problem. I run a compact with a 12-27 and I am comforatble with the bike. I am also 215 and not nearly tall enough to weigh that much so gravity is not really my friend onthe uphills... |
| 2010-02-09 12:57 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Master 1359 South of SLC | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Made my hotel reservations to go down the last week of this month. I promise to post my power data then. I think the ride reports to date have been fantastic. Having run a couple of marathons on portions of this course, the reports have been spot on with my experience. Now if I could only drop the last 10#... Mike |
| 2010-02-09 2:12 PM in reply to: #2661487 |
Member 591 | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread VegasJason - 2010-02-08 10:18 AM First off, I am really not trying to offend anyone here. I just feel like this thread has fallen into two camps 1) those who are scared that they haven’t done enough Don’t stress over how hard it’s going to be. Hopefully that’s part of what you do when you train so that it won’t be new on race day. So, what you are saying is that there is really very little chance of my heart exploding in my chest or my quads bursting apart and spraying flesh and bone all over other riders? I'm canceling my life insurance. Looking forward to riding the course with you this weekend! Pray for clear skies and warmish temps! |
| 2010-02-09 3:41 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Member 101 Lost Wages Nevada | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Knowing your work habbits, I would keep the life insurance. Should be a fun weekend. |
| 2010-02-09 4:06 PM in reply to: #2664167 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread I'm sort of pizzed.... IMSG falls right in the middle of some of this area's BEST races... I can't do them now because of tapering or recovery... blows... |
| 2010-02-09 5:35 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Member 101 Lost Wages Nevada | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread @ Kido- which races are you missing???? Can't really think of to many locally around the same time?? |
| 2010-02-09 7:31 PM in reply to: #2661487 |
Member 5 Silver member | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread I agree ... It will be an experience! Few will PR on this course unless it's your first (or others have been injury-plagued). I did the course last week and it was hard, yes. I started to get a little scared, but then I remembered that I do this for fun and I will have an experience to remember - even if it's one I don't want to re-live! |
| 2010-02-10 10:55 AM in reply to: #2664601 |
Member 591 | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread jodietaylor - 2010-02-09 5:31 PM I agree ... It will be an experience! Few will PR on this course unless it's your first (or others have been injury-plagued). I did the course last week and it was hard, yes. I started to get a little scared, but then I remembered that I do this for fun and I will have an experience to remember - even if it's one I don't want to re-live! That's the great thing about this being my first. Assuming I don't DNF, it will be a PR! Blue skies! |
| 2010-02-12 5:14 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Veteran 266 Kingwood, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread
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| 2010-02-13 11:58 AM in reply to: #2670690 |
New user 1 | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Edited by jtous 2010-02-13 12:02 PM |
| 2010-02-13 12:00 PM in reply to: #2670690 |
Veteran 168 | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Nice Jason, I know for sure that your mind training is on its way. 70miles in hills, alone and in cold?!?!? Man you are my hero! I get desperate when I have to ride back alone on long bike days because my training is different and I barely manage to keep my sanity. Great job! Long day tomorrow for me 5:00hrs bike and :30mins run… Happy Valentine for everyone… My wife is not mad at least because we will go to see a show in the afternoon. I just hope I don’t fall to sleep in the middle of it… Edited by nelsonv 2010-02-13 12:04 PM |
| 2010-02-13 4:12 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Regular 100 Allen, TX ( Basically North of Dallas) | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Weather and travel for work caused me to have a bad training week. Did 4 hours on the trainer today and will run 2 hours on Sunday but I missed all swims this week!!! I really need to get back at it this week. I was on my goal pace before this week so I am not super worried as long as I get back on track this week. |
| 2010-02-14 4:48 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Member 101 Lost Wages Nevada | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread So got a chance to visit the course again yesterday (3rd visit). The area and course is beautiful and as we all know challenging. The weather was great and air clear. Couple of things to keep in mind for those who aren't as lucky to be so close...1) They are on Mountain time, which I had forgotten about having come from Las Vegas.2) There is some altitude there so if you are coming from flat lands you might notice a difference in your breathing.3) A lot of the road is chip seal or poorly paved. This will slow down your normal speed vs effort. The exception is on 18 (almost all downhill) which is freshly paved. Anyone have any thoughts about tire pressure and how it might help or hinder a ride on chip seal?4) This is a hilly course for both the run and bike. Which to me means that we will need to work on both uphill and downhill training. I really think that there is a huge advantage on the downhill parts of the bike course, but I also think that those who are comfortable riding it without the brakes will gain the most.5) We saw tons of runners and bike riders through out the day. The local community is very active and I hope this translates to some big turn outs for crowd support.Should be a great day with lots of self growth, cant wait!! |
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