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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() At my last race my rear flatted .25 mile out of transition. First flat in 50 tris great only 111.75 miles to go. I have a wheelbuilder cover on my Zipp 404. I struggled getting the first bit tire out and took much longer than normal. With my training wheels or no cover, I used one tire lever to pry up first section of tire, lock it onto a spoke, use second tire lever to get tire off. With cover on couldn't do my normal technique, I would struggle keeping first lever under and get second section started. When it finally came off no issues. Any suggestions how to get that first part of the tire off the rim with wheel cover? Also I'm planning on using my Joule, which needs a speed sensor and magnet on wheel. With cover on is it easier to put on front wheel? Or have you had issues putting it on under cover? |
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![]() http://www.rei.com/product/546083/quik-stik-tire-changer You don't need two levers with this or just about any hand strength. Just squeeze the tire, work this thing under one side of the bead and zip it around the rim. You can find it for about that in most of the LBSs I've seen around here so I'd imagine they're getting popular. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I had to do this once and I agree it isn't easy. Here's the technique I worked out. I put two tire levers under the bead of the tire before pulling either of them down. Then pull one and hold it and the rim with one hand (might be easier with big hands, which I have) while pulling the other down. Once you get those two down, the rest should be easy (I never need to lock onto a spoke anyway after that). ETA: I've never had a problem with a magnet under the cover (but I've never used a Joule specifically). Edited by Experior 2011-10-26 6:48 AM |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So far I've only changed tires at home, but did get one lever in first. Used heel of left hand to kind of hold it in place with fingers holding onto the rim. Sometimes the hand would move to different positions, depending on what kind of leverage I needed. But still keeping to holding the wheel and the lever with the one hand. Right hand would work the second lever. As for the magnet, no issues with it being under the cover. Other than aligning the sensor with the magnet. I'm using a WahooFitness sensor. I've just found that people like to bump the sensor in transition, making it drag on the wheel. Leaves some nice scratches on the cover. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Experior - 2011-10-26 7:46 AM I had to do this once and I agree it isn't easy. Here's the technique I worked out. I put two tire levers under the bead of the tire before pulling either of them down. Then pull one and hold it and the rim with one hand (might be easier with big hands, which I have) while pulling the other down. Once you get those two down, the rest should be easy (I never need to lock onto a spoke anyway after that). ETA: I've never had a problem with a magnet under the cover (but I've never used a Joule specifically). Are two levers next to each other under bead of tire? I'm going to try this at home. I do think hand strength is an issue for me. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() -DanielG, that's a great mechanics tools (Park has something very similar btw.), but nothing I would take with me on the bike, simply too bulky. -KathyG, put the magnet on the back wheel and just leave it there. The wheel cover won't make a difference, it'll still work just fine. If, for some reason, the magnet is not strong enough (very rare, but possible), simply get a "rare earth magnet" from RadioShack and glue this to the wheel magnet and you won't have any problems at all. I would use two tire levers to change the tire, takes up very little space and has no real weight. If you have an old tire, pop that on and practice. Try to get it done as fast as you can, but make sure you get it done correctly each time. The more you do this, the faster you will get and the less stressed you will get in a race situation (most of the time, we make mistakes in a race situation because we get flustered...) |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DanielG - 2011-10-26 7:21 AM http://www.rei.com/product/546083/quik-stik-tire-changerYou don't need two levers with this or just about any hand strength. Just squeeze the tire, work this thing under one side of the bead and zip it around the rim. You can find it for about that in most of the LBSs I've seen around here so I'd imagine they're getting popular. I think I bought one way back in 2004 or 05...never could figure it out. I'll look around to see if I can find it and give it a try. I definitely want to practice this a time or two before IM next weekend. |
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![]() audiojan - 2011-10-26 8:19 AM -DanielG, that's a great mechanics tools (Park has something very similar btw.), but nothing I would take with me on the bike, simply too bulky. Bulky? Fits in roughly the same spot inside my wedge bag as the two levers it replaced. Works out fine for me ![]() |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've always only used one tire lever with no issues. I use a Pedro's lever which is very strong - the best one you can buy, IMO. Slip it under the tire, use lever action to pull that bead out from the rim, then slide the lever around the circumference of the wheel. You may have to be a little rough to start sliding around the wheel. This works on both my Felt TTR2 wheels and my 1992 Matrix ISO CII wheels (which are notoriously difficult to change tires on). |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tyrell - 2011-10-26 8:35 AM I've always only used one tire lever with no issues. I use a Pedro's lever which is very strong - the best one you can buy, IMO. Slip it under the tire, use lever action to pull that bead out from the rim, then slide the lever around the circumference of the wheel. You may have to be a little rough to start sliding around the wheel. This works on both my Felt TTR2 wheels and my 1992 Matrix ISO CII wheels (which are notoriously difficult to change tires on). I use two Pedro tire levers. On my wheels there is no way that my Vittoria Evo Corsa is coming of the Zipp wheel without two levers. Insert the two levers onto the bead maybe 2 inches apart and then push down. On my wheels just getting one lever under the bead and sliding it around the tire isn't going to work because the tire is just too tight. Edited by mktoson 2011-10-26 8:03 AM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for the tips...I've been practicing what you guys suggested. Two levers next to each other I couldn't get bead off...tried both Park and Pedro. What I found is using 2 Pedro levers about 5 inches apart work fantastic and they stay in place which allows me to use my right hand to get bead off. But I can't get Pedro levers to move along rim as it is wide and not shapped well so I swapped out the right one for a smaller Park slipped it in the middle between Pedro then remove right Pedro and was able to move it around the rim and get tire off. Need to keep practicing to get a little faster. You guys rock!
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tyrell - 2011-10-26 8:35 AM I've always only used one tire lever with no issues. I use a Pedro's lever which is very strong - the best one you can buy, IMO. Slip it under the tire, use lever action to pull that bead out from the rim, then slide the lever around the circumference of the wheel. You may have to be a little rough to start sliding around the wheel. This works on both my Felt TTR2 wheels and my 1992 Matrix ISO CII wheels (which are notoriously difficult to change tires on). This. Practice using one lever only. It has nothing to do with hand strength, only technique (and leverage) Works on every race wheel/tire combo I've ever had. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() As Chris said, it's all technique. Strength is not an issue. If you find yourself needing beefier tire irons or bending normal ones, you are doing something wrong. You should only need one normal tire iron always. What you need to do is make sure the bead is unseated by working the tire a little bit before putting the tire iron in. You want the tire bead to be as close to the center of the rim opposite where you insert the tire iron. That allows you to pull the tire off the rim with less resistance. The better the tire is seated, the more resistance you will have. Once you get the tire iron under the tire and flipped over the rim, you just slide it around the rim and remove the tire. Just practice but each time make sure you are not forcing anything and you will figure out how to do it. Maybe I'll make a video and post it in a bit. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() On my Askium training wheels I can get my tire off easily and change tube and have no trouble with Park tire irons and can do it under 2 minutes. Zipps are tougher wheels for me. There is hand strength issue. Once I get Pedro tool in and tire bead off, I can't push it to have more tire bead to come off. Getting that last little bit of tire back on does use technique but hand strength as well. This morning starting with Pedro tire irons like this and then slide Park tire lever to left of it and remove Pedro I can get bead off. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() KathyG - 2011-10-26 9:14 AM Two levers next to each other I couldn't get bead off...tried both Park and Pedro. What I found is using 2 Pedro levers about 5 inches apart work fantastic Sorry -- I should have clarified. Yes, about 5 inches apart, not next to each other. Glad you are figuring it out! A little practice and you'll be super-fast at it. I once watched a movie while taking my tire off and putting it on the rim. Game was to see how many times I could do it over the course of the movie. My wife said I'm crazy but she already believed that so there's no changing her mind now... |
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![]() | ![]() I've always used the two irons about a hand length about (5-7inches) seems to work well.. Depending on the Tire + Rim combo it can be very easy or very difficult. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fastyellow - 2011-10-26 6:37 AM As Chris said, it's all technique. Strength is not an issue. If you find yourself needing beefier tire irons or bending normal ones, you are doing something wrong. You should only need one normal tire iron always. What you need to do is make sure the bead is unseated by working the tire a little bit before putting the tire iron in. You want the tire bead to be as close to the center of the rim opposite where you insert the tire iron. That allows you to pull the tire off the rim with less resistance. The better the tire is seated, the more resistance you will have. Once you get the tire iron under the tire and flipped over the rim, you just slide it around the rim and remove the tire. Just practice but each time make sure you are not forcing anything and you will figure out how to do it. Maybe I'll make a video and post it in a bit.
This makes a lot of sense - great tip!! Thanks. |