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2008-01-13 8:05 PM

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Subject: Question about going slow
I have decided to really commit to going slower this off-season to build my base. I am going with periods of training at gradually increasing percentages of my LT. My question is this...can a run be too short to really get the benefit if I am going slow? There are some mornings that I can only get in 30-45 minutes of running; is this too short to also be going slow? I do go 60 minutes twice a week and 90-120 on Sunday am.

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2008-01-13 10:15 PM
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By no means am I an expert, but running has always been my base... Prior to getting the Tri-bug 6 months ago, all my running was "slow", but that defintion is up to interpretation. My slow is about a 8:45 - 9 minute mile. Although always changing distances like you, I kept to that pace and my edurance and eventual ditances continued to grow.

Really comes down to expectations. running slow will help you well, run long and slow. I have been mixing in a few faster paced 5k's once or twice a week to be able to increase times... Many others who will chime in that track work at even much shorter distances (200 - 400 meters) are sugested as a piece of your training... I have put this off, but it is inevitable if I want to keep my form in order and take seconds/minutes off my running stages.

Doesn't seem like your worried about time so dont be. With right expectations, you are doing what you feel is best and who's to say otherwise. Mention that you are trying to get faster or improve on last year's events and I would mix it up...

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2008-01-13 10:50 PM
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I never had to work at going slow.  It just seemed to come naturally.
2008-01-14 12:00 AM
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no.

20minutes is too short.

35minutes is ok.
2008-01-14 2:45 AM
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The general consensus that I seem to find is that 30 min. is about minimum for a slow run, so your runs are long enough to reap the benefits.
2008-01-14 11:00 AM
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Hawkeye - 2008-01-14 2:45 AM

The general consensus that I seem to find is that 30 min. is about minimum for a slow run, so your runs are long enough to reap the benefits.


I'm limited for time as well on some of my runs.

I'f I'm going under 30 minutes, should I just go out and run my fastest?


2008-01-14 11:05 AM
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Nothing wrong with short runs like that. Back off on intensity and possibily increase frequency (not sure how much you're running now).
2008-01-14 11:06 AM
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My training plans usually have at least one 30m and one 45m slow base run each week. 
2008-01-14 11:14 AM
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I find so many opinions on slow running. Some say Slow and LONG.. like 70+ miles a week will make you a better and faster runner, while others say that to be fast you must run fast. I dont know hwat is correct... i just do what i feel like and hope that it is working for me.
2008-01-14 11:28 AM
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The reason to run "slow" is so that you can run more.  So unless those shorter running days represent cutting back what your volume would be in your normal schedule, then the only reason not to run them at your "slow" pace is because you have a harder session planned. 

30-45min runs are great ones to run easy and add volume with relatively low cost to the rest of your weekly workouts.  And 30min is not "too short" (nor is 20 minutes for that matter).  Anything is better than nothing.  Adaptations will change as you go longer and/or harder, but postive benefits can come from any training.

2008-01-14 12:41 PM
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I have read that going long and slow is all about putting your body under stress for an extended time. So i guess what my question is ..... is the 30 - 35 min runs at a slow pace really that helpful? I would figure if you normally do a 8 min/mile pace and you slow down to 930-10 min/mile but you only have 30 min to run..... if you ran your 8min/mile pace you would put your body under more stress than the 10 min pace. You would have more steps, more mileage, more stress. I dont know maybe I am wrong... i really have no real running knowledge.


2008-01-14 12:56 PM
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baggyman - 2008-01-14 12:41 PM I have read that going long and slow is all about putting your body under stress for an extended time. So i guess what my question is ..... is the 30 - 35 min runs at a slow pace really that helpful? I would figure if you normally do a 8 min/mile pace and you slow down to 930-10 min/mile but you only have 30 min to run..... if you ran your 8min/mile pace you would put your body under more stress than the 10 min pace. You would have more steps, more mileage, more stress. I dont know maybe I am wrong... i really have no real running knowledge.

Going "long and slow" is about putting your body under stress for an extended time.  This is true and doing so provides valuable adaptations.

However, you can also derive valuable adaptations when you run for shorter periods of times, just not as much as when you run longer.  And this is partly because you are producing less stress.  But by generating less stress, you also can recover faster.  So you can get some valuable training adaptations at relatively little 'cost' to the rest of your training.  If you ramp up the intensity of those shorter sessions, you increase both the stress and the recovery needed.  Balancing stress and recovery are the keys to any training program.  Generally, it is better to run 'more' than it is to run 'harder'.  So short, easy runs ("short" and "easy" are both relative to the individual) can be a very valuable part of a training program.

That said, if life forces you to cut back on your typical volume for some reason (or you have reached a level of volume that takes up all the time you have to commit to the sport) then you can make up for some of that with some higher intensity.  'Some', in this context, also can vary quite considerably given the individual, their backgroud, current volume, etc.

2008-01-14 1:49 PM
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The only time I have anything that short on my schedule it is pretty much always a "recovery" type run which is done at a guilty slow pace.  It is basically something for me to loosen up the legs and keep the muscles firing and help them heal up faster for the next intense effort.

But if all you can fit in is a 30 - 45 minute run, then make the best of it and don't waste the time.

Honestly though, if you are trying to make it into a faster session than will not get nearly as much out of it in my worthless opinion than if you just ran a nice consistent pace.  To do any sort of faster/tempo style work you need at least 15 minutes to warm up and maybe another 10 to warm down which only leaves you 5 - 15 minutes for the faster stuff, which is really not worth the effort to me.  30 minutes at a decent aerobic effort will probably reap better long term gains than trying to cram a short speed session in (and avoid injuries much easier).

2008-01-14 4:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Question about going slow
Thanks for the responses. I am planning on doing interval training and tempo runs again closer to tri season (for me my first tri of the year is the end of May) but thought I'd give this a try for the base building phase.

Like JohnnyKay mentioned, I am doing this so I can add overall volumn.

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