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2008-05-07 7:11 PM

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Would you continue to train if you could not race?  I don't mean physically unable to race or not race do to an injury just could not race for non physical reasons?  I'm thinking whats the point?  I mean the fitness is good but why kill myself?  I could have decent fitness working a lot less than I do.


2008-05-07 7:20 PM
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sue7013 - 2008-05-07 5:11 PM

Would you continue to train if you could not race?  I don't mean physically unable to race or not race do to an injury just could not race for non physical reasons?  I'm thinking whats the point?  I mean the fitness is good but why kill myself?  I could have decent fitness working a lot less than I do.


I probably wouldn't do the 15-20 mile marathon training runs if I wasn't doing marathons and I'd probably stop swimming much. But I ran daily for about a year before I ever entered a race and racing wasn't a motivation to do so in the first place: weightloss and recovering my fitness was. I'd absolutely continue running and would probably do cross training on my bike if I couldn't race. (And enjoy the savings on race fees and hotel rooms...)
2008-05-07 7:22 PM
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2008-05-07 8:22 PM
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Depends. Do you get your "fitness fix" from the race or from training? If it's the race that draws you to fitness then you might find yourself being drawn back to higher level work outs because it reminds you of how good you felt competing.

I'm dealing with this right now. I haven't signed up for a race (triathlon) yet this year because i thought I'd try and coast a bit and just keep a base foundation of fitness. Now that the weather has improved and I've had a couple of really good workouts and now I'm thinking of putting down the $ for up coming races.

Probably didn't answer your question but if I were to go that route I would completely change my workout schedule so that it didn't resemble trying for a competitive goal. 

2008-05-07 8:46 PM
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Sharkie - 2008-05-07 7:22 PM

I think everyone needs to figure out what makes them happy..  I've had years where I didn't race.. and I hope to get back into this year..  But don't beat yourself up for not racing or for training on your own schedule..  Do what makes YOU happy and works for YOU

I would rather see you happy and not racing then killing yourself to get in several races a year and being miserable

Agree with Sharkie the thigh lover here.

After getting back into fitness training, I enjoy it more now than ever, but wish I had the same speed that I once had 25 years ago.  The ONLY reason I would stop training, or at least cut back the training immensely would be for my family.  If asked, I would have to, but hopefully rearrange the schedule a little, because I ENJOY THE TRAINING!!  There's soooooo many benefits!

2008-05-07 9:24 PM
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unfortunately yes.  but like the above poster said, I probably wouldn't be doing 15-20 mile runs or 3000 meter swims, but I would still continue to work out regularly.  Why?  ... because it's good for us... and even though at times we hate it, it's the reason we feel great on most days.



2008-05-07 9:27 PM
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pigfinn - 2008-05-07 9:24 PM

unfortunately yes.  but like the above poster said, I probably wouldn't be doing 15-20 mile runs or 3000 meter swims, but I would still continue to work out regularly.  Why?  ... because it's good for us... and even though at times we hate it, it's the reason we feel great on most days.

We need an emoticon here, dear!

2008-05-07 9:35 PM
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1stTimeTri - 2008-05-07 9:27 PM
pigfinn - 2008-05-07 9:24 PM

unfortunately yes.  but like the above poster said, I probably wouldn't be doing 15-20 mile runs or 3000 meter swims, but I would still continue to work out regularly.  Why?  ... because it's good for us... and even though at times we hate it, it's the reason we feel great on most days.

We need an emoticon here, dear!

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2008-05-08 7:41 AM
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I probably wouldn't run much, but I'd be out riding regularly. I belong to a great bike club in town, with a few dozen rides each week from slow and social to go go go go! Thanks to my wife getting me the greatest birthday present of a used bike a few years ago, I rediscovered my love of riding. Since I started swimming last year, I could see myself swimming over the winter, probably not much over the summer though.
2008-05-08 7:43 AM
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Sharkie has it dead on.

If I stopped having fun at races and pushing myself to higher and better levels.... I would still work out but I would probably hit the gym to lift more often.

There are a lot of these threads started every once in a while... People leaving... People putting BT on a back burner for a while... I think that a lot of people get burned out by this sport and need time to refocus. Only you know your priorities in your life.
2008-05-08 8:01 AM
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sue7013 - 2008-05-07 7:11 PM Would you continue to train if you could not race? I don't mean physically unable to race or not race do to an injury just could not race for non physical reasons? I'm thinking whats the point? I mean the fitness is good but why kill myself? I could have decent fitness working a lot less than I do.

Totally. I hate racing.  HATE it.  



2008-05-08 8:56 AM
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sue7013 - 2008-05-07 8:11 PM Would you continue to train if you could not race?  I don't mean physically unable to race or not race do to an injury just could not race for non physical reasons?  I'm thinking whats the point?  I mean the fitness is good but why kill myself?  I could have decent fitness working a lot less than I do.

This is the main idea. 

2008-05-08 9:19 AM
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Sue, racing is over-rated. I don't know whether or not I will do the IM I have on my schedule next month. But either way I will still be out doing 200 mile weeks on my bike because that is what I am loving right now. Over the winter I was running like crazy and loved that.
After going through my depression mess and getting back to myself, one thing that has changed is I am no longer following a training plan. I have an IM next month and I am not following a training plan, but I AM having fun and enjoying what I am doing. Ultimately this lack of a plan may mean I won't do the race, but at least I am enjoying my workouts. I would rather have fun and not race than pressure myself to get all my scheduled workouts in and racing.
Enjoy fitness for what it does for you. It's a stress relief and leads to good health. No better reason to train than that. If you only do 30 minutes a day, great! Exercise is not something worth stressing over.
2008-05-08 9:39 AM
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Absolutely - keep training.  This is a lifestyle and one that is easier to keep up when you are doing it.  I find it too easy to become complacent and skip work outs if I give myself excuses.  I am in a similar situation where current life circumstances are preventing me from doing my IM in September.  I don't have time for the long workouts required for an IM, but I still try to get out there at least 5-6 times per week.  My hope is to retain as much endurance as possible so when I take on my next distance race I am not starting from ground zero.  
2008-05-08 10:33 AM
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Ok its not that I don't like racing or thats it is stressing me out...its that I enjoy the training and racing but everytime I sign up for a major race and spend all the time money and energy getting ready for it it gets taken away.  Why am I investing all this money and time in something even tho I love it if I don't get the reward of doing the race?   I plan my whole life and schedule around something and then aww gee it sucks to be you but some completely random thing outside my control even tho I take extreme measures to prevent these things from happening ends up happening.   It has happened time and again and I feel like I am just setting myself up for dissappointment.  It takes a LOT of effort to get the training done and I feel like its for nothing if I can't race. 
2008-05-08 11:43 AM
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I'm totally with you. I don't have any ambition to race right now. But I do train. I just changed my regimen to back off tri-specific training into more fitness specific, with tri involvement.


2008-05-08 11:53 AM
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2008-05-08 12:13 PM
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Last year I had to ditch Nationals (which I'd already registered and paid for) because of financial reasons. Then I got injured and lost another few races because of that.

I'm injured again, and have already lost three races I was registered for. With the lack of relief from conservative treatments pointing toward something more drastic, I may end up losing my ability to run permanently (and thus be able to do triathlon).

But I'm wired a little differently than you (which is okay). I shelved all my competitions for several years, and put on a happy face. But I was miserable. I need that outlet, and it is also the drive that gets me out the door. So even if I couldn't run, I would go back to bike racing. Which would probably end up being even MORE expensive...

2008-05-08 12:31 PM
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I think if you DO like racing.. then yeah, I would keep training so that when the opportunity to race does finally work out for you, you will be able to jump on. Im not sure Id want to start over should circumstances change. I can see the frustration though.
2008-05-08 12:35 PM
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2008-05-08 12:39 PM
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I would, but not at the distances I'm at now.

I guess, though, if I couldn't race, and there were other fitness related activities that I enjoyed more than s,b,r, then I would do those.



2008-05-08 1:08 PM
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kellc09 - 2008-05-08 1:31 PM I think if you DO like racing.. then yeah, I would keep training so that when the opportunity to race does finally work out for you, you will be able to jump on. Im not sure Id want to start over should circumstances change. I can see the frustration though.
  Yeah wait til you plan a year of your life around an ironman......and all the costs that go along with it and someone (or 4 people and the powers that be just basically oh it sucks to be you) just syas...yeah well I COULD help you out but I'm just going to be a jerk and sorry I'm not going to and BOOM your IM is gone. 
2008-05-08 1:59 PM
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sue7013 - 2008-05-08 11:08 AM
kellc09 - 2008-05-08 1:31 PM I think if you DO like racing.. then yeah, I would keep training so that when the opportunity to race does finally work out for you, you will be able to jump on. Im not sure Id want to start over should circumstances change. I can see the frustration though.
  Yeah wait til you plan a year of your life around an ironman......and all the costs that go along with it and someone (or 4 people and the powers that be just basically oh it sucks to be you) just syas...yeah well I COULD help you out but I'm just going to be a jerk and sorry I'm not going to and BOOM your IM is gone. 

Hmmm. Devil's advocate here. So what would actually happen if you were simply unavailable. Say a meteor hit the earth and you were unreachable. Someone would have to do whatever it is that requires doing. How much would it impact/cost you personally to go do your race anyway? In essence say "scr3w you all if yer gonna be baysterds".

I spent a long time not racing, and while the racing is fun, there's a ton of other stuff in my life that I love doing, and would have more time for if I wasn't trying to be all competitive. I do like the rush that comes from the race, but I can get that from other races than triathlon. Like several others mentioned, I'm trying to sort out what I'm really in this for.

2008-05-08 4:00 PM
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ell-in-or - 2008-05-08 2:59 PM

sue7013 - 2008-05-08 11:08 AM
kellc09 - 2008-05-08 1:31 PM I think if you DO like racing.. then yeah, I would keep training so that when the opportunity to race does finally work out for you, you will be able to jump on. Im not sure Id want to start over should circumstances change. I can see the frustration though.
  Yeah wait til you plan a year of your life around an ironman......and all the costs that go along with it and someone (or 4 people and the powers that be just basically oh it sucks to be you) just syas...yeah well I COULD help you out but I'm just going to be a jerk and sorry I'm not going to and BOOM your IM is gone. 

Hmmm. Devil's advocate here. So what would actually happen if you were simply unavailable. Say a meteor hit the earth and you were unreachable. Someone would have to do whatever it is that requires doing. How much would it impact/cost you personally to go do your race anyway? In essence say "scr3w you all if yer gonna be baysterds".

I spent a long time not racing, and while the racing is fun, there's a ton of other stuff in my life that I love doing, and would have more time for if I wasn't trying to be all competitive. I do like the rush that comes from the race, but I can get that from other races than triathlon. Like several others mentioned, I'm trying to sort out what I'm really in this for.

could potentially sue me, loose hospital privileges, loose ability to bill insurance companies because I get kicked off medical staff, basically loose my ability to make a living.  I TOLD THEM I was UNAVAILABLE dates x-y and they proceeded to assign me to ER call those days stating its not our problem you have to change with someone.  Basically telling me "sucks to be you tough cookies"  this has already resulted in me planning a vacation and race already and because they changed the call schedule its all messed up and no one will change with me.  Happened last summer too.  Then I GET someone to cover me and he f-ing LEAVES THE COUNTRY.  problem is that they other people in my specailty tent o not change when it benefits me....they expect meto change with them tho
2008-05-08 4:06 PM
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Well, sorry to be harsh but...if this happens to you all the time yet you still keep signing up for races and expect to do them, then you ARE setting yourself up for failure. Why do something over and over and expect different results?
Stick to short races close to home or stop doing races until things change in your life to make racing longer/farther away possible. Wishing for your life to fit your hobbies isn't going to make it come true.
Your question was "would you continue to train if you could not race?" and my answer is still yes.

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