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2008-06-04 2:07 PM

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Subject: Steelhead 70.3 Wheels
Steelhead 70.3 is my "A" race for the year and Im thinking about renting wheels. Im currently running aksium's and thats all Ive ever ridden. I hear the course can get pretty windy comming off of lake Michigan and a rear disc might not be a good choice. Has anyone done this course before? What kind of wheels were the fastest riders using? Im gonna stick with a clincher but other then that Im open to suggestions. Thanks!!!


2008-06-04 2:56 PM
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I'm doing Steelhead and was planning on running my trispoke/disc setup.  Unless told otherwise, that's what I'll go with.
2008-06-04 2:56 PM
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I raced in '06 and volunteered in '07.  Neither day was particularly windy, but who knows what '08 holds (we'll be there volunteering again this year). 

The course is rolling hills east of the dunes.  The course runs NE on M-12, turning East about 10 miles North of town.  It heads North again on some county roads, then NW, a little piece straight West, then South and SW back to the park.  Not bad if the prevailing wind comes from the West.  Most of the route is relatively protected with orchards and trees with only a very small part wide-open. 

Not sure how much it matters what the fastest riders were using.  What makes sense for you?  Here's a rundown of bike splits from '06.
#143 (10%) 2:25:48
#286 (20%) 2:30:09
#429 (30%) 2:35:52
#572 (40%) 2:40:00
#716 (50%) 2:45:04

There were some disk/aero wheels along with plenty of standard wheels.  My cyclocomputer registered right at 56 miles, so it wasn't a short course and the 50th percentile bike split was better than 20 mph. 

2008-06-04 3:08 PM
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if I can get my injury fixed and fitness back I am doing it and I'll be racing in full aero set up (disc/tri-spoke, aero helmet)
2008-06-04 3:58 PM
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If you are renting, then there is no reason not to go all out and disc rear, deep section front.  On all but the hilliest courses that will be the fastest set up.  And it probably what most of the top fasties used.
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2008-06-04 5:46 PM
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Wow, thanks for all of the great feedback. I know this topic has probably been beaten to death but I couldnt find it on any other threads. Instead of renting a set, what do you guys think about buying a disc cover for the rear and just running my aksium on the front to sace a little $$$? Would I still get any benefits?
2008-06-04 6:10 PM
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I did it last year and will be doing it again this year and have a tri spoke and disc rear. There is no reason not to run that combo if you have access to it. Even if it is a windy day, most of the course is somewhat protected from the wind. It is a "rolling" course.
2008-06-04 7:13 PM
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This will be my fifth year and each year I have used a disk rear and a deep section front. One year I used a 100mm deep front wheel on my (then) Kuota Kalibur.

The winds at Steelhead the years I've done it have certainly been calm enough to use a disk rear.

Remember- it isn't the disk that slows a rider down in a gusty crosswind- it is the rider that does. In other words, you can expect to feel some turbulence through a disk wheel when its windy. If that turbulence is unsettling to you then you may actually be backing off the pedals without even realizing it. The key here is to develop enough experience with what that feels like so that you have the confidence to simply keep the power on and keep pedalling even if you are being knocked around a bit. Remember- that turbulence is usually the wind pushing you forward in addition to side-to-side a little.

If I were pressed to make a recommendation on the conservative side I'd say a disk rear and a 60 mm front. I'll see you there!
2008-06-04 8:13 PM
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bengalsfan - 2008-06-04 5:46 PM Wow, thanks for all of the great feedback. I know this topic has probably been beaten to death but I couldnt find it on any other threads. Instead of renting a set, what do you guys think about buying a disc cover for the rear and just running my aksium on the front to sace a little $$$? Would I still get any benefits?
you actually get more benefits from the front tire so you could get a disc cover and rent a front aero wheel... if you don't want to spend the $$ right now, mingle with your tri friend or your local BTers, it is not unusual to ask friends for them to lend you wheels or stuff maybe you can just get the aero cover and get someone to lend you a front wheel... (I would offer my extra set by I am already lend it to a friend for that race)

2012-08-09 3:35 PM
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Google unearthed this thread when I searched for Steelhead 70.3 aero wheels.  It seems that the consensus was to go deep front/disk rear.  Are there any updated opinions on this from four years ago?  I was thinking about renting an 808 front with a Sub 9 rear.  I currently have the stock Mavic Cosmic Elite wheels on my 2010 Transition.


2012-08-09 4:21 PM
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Unless you are planning to place. . . why bother blowing the money on wheel rentals?  On a 56 mi. course it will save you what. . . 3-4 minutes?

I guess to each his own, but its silly how many people I pass on the bike who are running discs/deep front wheels, and I'm not remotely a FOP biker.

 

2012-08-09 4:29 PM
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I can't remember how many times I've done this race (5?). It is one of my favorites.

I always used a 60 mm deep front wheel and a disk rear. Worked great for me. I think I squeeked in under or well under 5 hours at each of the years I raced, largely on the back of an OK bike split on that killer bike course.

2012-08-09 4:40 PM
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60mm front, disc back.  I've never done this race, but that's what I'm going with. 
2012-08-10 9:34 AM
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I can appreciate what you are saying, ziggie.  I only do a couple of big road tris a year and I am looking to run the absolute best race that I am capable of regardless of where I place overall.  It's me versus the course.  I bought an aero helmet, too.

The guy from TBT Race Wheels suggested that I go 404/808 since I've never run race wheels.  I do feel confident in my handling of the bike.  I realize that it is not the same, but I do race mountain bikes, often on very technical rooty/rocky terrain.  I wonder if this experience would transfer over and allow me to not be rattled by catching a gust or twelve and getting thrown around a bit if I go disc rear... Opinions?

 

Also, tubular?  Clincher?  What's the difference between a Sub 9 and a 900 (if I go disc)?  Powertap (I've never used power before)?

2012-08-10 11:59 AM
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rowanjones - 2012-08-10 10:34 AM

I can appreciate what you are saying, ziggie.  I only do a couple of big road tris a year and I am looking to run the absolute best race that I am capable of regardless of where I place overall.  It's me versus the course.  I bought an aero helmet, too.

The guy from TBT Race Wheels suggested that I go 404/808 since I've never run race wheels.  I do feel confident in my handling of the bike.  I realize that it is not the same, but I do race mountain bikes, often on very technical rooty/rocky terrain.  I wonder if this experience would transfer over and allow me to not be rattled by catching a gust or twelve and getting thrown around a bit if I go disc rear... Opinions?

 

Also, tubular?  Clincher?  What's the difference between a Sub 9 and a 900 (if I go disc)?  Powertap (I've never used power before)?

Your MTB skills may help, it just depends on situation. I'm an avid mountain bike racer, so I'm use to making split second decisions at high speeds.  I had zero issues when I put an 80mm on the front and disc on the back.  Not sure if it's because of MTB or not.  One thing that MTB will really help, especially if your a racer, is pedal efficiency and shifting. 

I've had a few professional bike fits and they fitter can always tell a mountain bike racer from a road racer just by the pedal efficiency.  Our power is almost even between the pedals, which makes sense because we have to maintain traction on hills.  Unbalanced pedal stroke and you are walking up the hill.  

Shifting is obvious.  If MTB racing taught me anything, it was having an intimate relationship with each and every gear on my bike.   



2012-08-21 10:03 AM
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I thought that I would follow up here; thanks for all of your input prior to the race.  I ended up renting a 404/900 clincher set and I was very happy with the results.  I was looking to average about 20 mph over the bike course and I ended up with 21.16 mph (2:38:48)! 

 

I think that there were a couple of factors that made this "fast for me" ride possible:

1. This was my first time on aero wheels and my first time using an aero helmet (Rudy Wingspan). 

2. I pushed a little harder on the bike than I did in my one previous 70.3 because I wanted to see what the bike new setup would do for me (I was worried about how it would affect my run, though).

 

Although I pushed a little harder on the bike, I still had decent legs for the run and managed 8:07/mi (1:46:32).  I will definitely be renting wheels again for IMFL, although I will likely go with a 404/808 just in case there is a lot of wind. 

2012-08-21 11:17 AM
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Bike times could have been slightly faster if we weren't dodging pot holes.  Maybe 20 miles of smooth road, with the rest being garbage.  
2012-08-21 11:34 AM
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guppie58 - 2012-08-21 11:17 AM Bike times could have been slightly faster if we weren't dodging pot holes.  Maybe 20 miles of smooth road, with the rest being garbage.  

I only have Augusta to compare it to, but those roads were pretty bad.  When they were smooth they were very smooth, but there for a while I was wishing that I had racked my hard tail 29er mountain bike instead.  

Did that swim seem long (or against the current) to you?  I'm a horrible swimmer, but I was a little surprised by my time based on my training times for the same distance.  I was even able to draft a little.

2012-08-21 5:19 PM
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rowanjones - 2012-08-21 12:34 PM

guppie58 - 2012-08-21 11:17 AM Bike times could have been slightly faster if we weren't dodging pot holes.  Maybe 20 miles of smooth road, with the rest being garbage.  

I only have Augusta to compare it to, but those roads were pretty bad.  When they were smooth they were very smooth, but there for a while I was wishing that I had racked my hard tail 29er mountain bike instead.  

Did that swim seem long (or against the current) to you?  I'm a horrible swimmer, but I was a little surprised by my time based on my training times for the same distance.  I was even able to draft a little.

Funny I thought the same thing about the 29er.  I was wishing i had mine.  Felt like I needed to ice my nads after that.  

The swim, for me, went great, although 4-6 minutes slower than my training times.  I finished in 39 minutes, but my training is usually in the 33 minute range.  I had NO idea how to pace myself (first HIM) so I just did  my thing.  I had one guy from the wave behind me, pass me so fast I thought he was being towed by a jet ski.  I've never been passed so fast.  It was at .75 mile mark too so that was an amazing clip that far into the swim.   

I didn't notice any current and the water temp was perfect.  

I was surprised at how many people were resting on the markers.  I also heard a lot of people swam to shore and stopped.  I know you get that in a lot of TRI's but a HIM isn't something you just sign up for like some do with sprints.  

What I find amazing are the people who are obviously over weight, yet still doing it.  They are not just dieting but they are aggressively trying to lose weight.  It's just awesome to see that.  

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