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2008-08-25 9:23 AM

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Subject: Is it legal by USAT rules
To walk/run during the swim? If the water isn't even up to your waist at a point in the swim can you just stand up and run? I would assume so since it's basically like that at the start and end of most races.


2008-08-25 9:25 AM
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Sure is. Basically you can't use a kayak to move foward but if you can reach the ground you can walk.  I mean what do you do to exit the water??
2008-08-25 9:33 AM
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Here's the actual rule:

4.2 Bottom Contact and Resting. A participant may stand on the bottom or rest by holding an inanimate object such as a buoy, boat, rope or floating object. Excluding the bottom, a participant shall not use any inanimate object to gain forward progress. A violation of this section shall result in a variable time penalty, unless the Head Referee in his/her sole discretion determines that (i) the violation was substantial and resulted in an unfair time advantage, or (ii) the violation constituted endangerment under Section 3.4(1).

2008-08-25 9:37 AM
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"Excluding the bottom"

 Sweet.

2008-08-25 11:11 AM
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Although, I don't think I've ever been able to walk/run through water faster than I can swim through it so I don't know how advantageous it would be unless your arms are spent. 
2008-08-25 11:20 AM
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COSkiGirl - 2008-08-25 12:11 PM Although, I don't think I've ever been able to walk/run through water faster than I can swim through it so I don't know how advantageous it would be unless your arms are spent. 

If you do it correctly, and if the water is shallow enough, dolphin diving is faster than swimming.



2008-08-25 11:26 AM
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chriselam - 2008-08-25 9:23 AM To walk/run during the swim? If the water isn't even up to your waist at a point in the swim can you just stand up and run? I would assume so since it's basically like that at the start and end of most races.

 it's faster to swim in water than walk/run, I swim to the exit until my hand starts touching the bottom.

2008-08-25 11:33 AM
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COSkiGirl - 2008-08-25 12:11 PM Although, I don't think I've ever been able to walk/run through water faster than I can swim through it so I don't know how advantageous it would be unless your arms are spent. 

If you do it correctly, and if the water is shallow enough, dolphin diving is faster than swimming.

What is dolphin diving?  

2008-08-25 11:36 AM
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Definatley is faster to swim than walk/run but I would say most people who do this are more for a survival tactic.  I know I did at a race earlier this year as I was slightly paniced and having a bad day and when I was trying to tread water I could feel the bottom.  I figured why not move forward instead of expending energy sitting still.

2008-08-25 12:03 PM
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chriselam - 2008-08-25 9:23 AM To walk/run during the swim? If the water isn't even up to your waist at a point in the swim can you just stand up and run? I would assume so since it's basically like that at the start and end of most races.

 it's faster to swim in water than walk/run, I swim to the exit until my hand starts touching the bottom.



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My rule is always "swim until your hand touches firmly". Running in waist deep water takes a ton of energy.
2008-08-25 12:21 PM
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Lots of people...including, judging from race reports, some pretty damn good athletes here...walk at least a few steps at the turnaround of the swim at Vineman 70.3. Shallow enough that it makes for a good breather and you don't really lose any time to speak of...betw. the fact that you're making a U-turn and the water can be shallow enough that your hands almost have to hit bottom, it's a pretty common choice there.

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2008-08-25 12:34 PM
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COSkiGirl - 2008-08-25 12:33 PM
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COSkiGirl - 2008-08-25 12:11 PM Although, I don't think I've ever been able to walk/run through water faster than I can swim through it so I don't know how advantageous it would be unless your arms are spent. 

If you do it correctly, and if the water is shallow enough, dolphin diving is faster than swimming.

What is dolphin diving?  

It's s technique rooted in surf lifesaving where you run until the water is about thigh-high and then dive forward with your hands in front of you. You then push forecefully off the bottom, out of the ewater and repeat.

The technique is designed to allow you swim rapidly past large waves, where you dive under a breaking wave to prevent it from impedeing your progress. But it can be used in calm, shallow water as well.

2008-08-25 12:48 PM
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run4yrlif - 2008-08-25 11:20 AM

COSkiGirl - 2008-08-25 12:11 PM Although, I don't think I've ever been able to walk/run through water faster than I can swim through it so I don't know how advantageous it would be unless your arms are spent. 

If you do it correctly, and if the water is shallow enough, dolphin diving is faster than swimming.



x2. I did that at the turnaround for the Vineman 70.3 swim. The water was very shallow and I dolphin dived about 5 times before I started swimming again. I didn't make up much time but it was a nice, brief break from swimming.
2008-08-25 2:04 PM
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If you are talking about Cranberry Oly yesterday..lead guy stood at that point coming in as the water was so shallow. I know many folks hit lots of rocks with their hands as it was so shallow.

My family was working swim exit and was able to watch most of the swimmers. 

2008-08-25 2:10 PM
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Okay, the dolphin diving makes sense and if it's so shallow that your hands are hitting I can see standing up as well.  Just didn't make sense to me if a person is in hip/waist deep water. 
2008-08-25 7:06 PM
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I wish I knew that for my first swiw. It took 56 minutes for me to swim my first .5 miles. I would been better off walking it.

I do alot of pool running and I am alot more winded and takes longer for me to run in water than swim. Its better than drowning.


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