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2008-10-31 8:57 AM
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jsklarz - 2008-10-31 9:46 AM

How old are you?  I ask this not to be condecending but I am guess you are relatively young and are a successful endurance athlete already.  If you don't think this is hard, train harder because it should be hard.  I was a 3 sport athlete in HS, played college football and was pretty good.  Every day was hard.  If it is easy, train harder.  The best of the best are those that have talent (which sounds like you) and train harder than anyone else (see, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Lance Armstrong, etc.).  You have the skills now hone them and let me read about you winning gold at the Olympics in 4 years!!!

   

OP said he was in high school - junior or senior, I think.



2008-10-31 9:00 AM
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xcrunner--You use the terms "nuts" and "absurd" like those are bad things.  We are all that and more!  Why are you defining all of our accomplishments by the standards of your uninspired acquaintances?  
2008-10-31 9:14 AM
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It seems like the thread has sort of taken two paths. One is addressing the perception that triathlon is "too easy" for for the OP. Granted his question might come across a bit arrogant, especially with the PR listed for every sport he has been invovled.

However, I think the other path is also following a valid question: Why do people "get all wow" regarding triathlon vs., say, soccer for a given level of participant effort. I have many friends around the same age (+/- 20 years) and same level of fitness and skill with respect to their individual sports. They compete at soccer, basketball, softball, and are avid skiers, climbers, etc. It seems that there is more mystique surrounding triathlon and I suspect, as others have pointed out, it is related to the misconception that triathlon=Ironman.

Related to this, my favorite question to be asked from friends and family is "when are you going to do a full triathlon", because my longest distance is HIM.

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2008-10-31 9:17 AM
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"You're also in High School. I had time to do whatever I wanted when I was in school. Trying doing that whole list after you have a job, spouse and family. Then it's an accomplishment to get anything done. ..."

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2008-10-31 10:54 AM
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Going back to the perception of triathlon question...My neighbors think that a triathlon and a marathon are the same thing. I guess because it has an "...on" at the end.

To the TS, I was burned out with team sports by the 11th grade. That's when I discovered running and cycling. They aren't glamorous sports for a 15 year old.

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2008-10-31 11:02 AM
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xcrunner, Which IM have you done?


2008-10-31 11:40 AM
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djluscher - 2008-10-31 9:14 AM It seems like the thread has sort of taken two paths. One is addressing the perception that triathlon is "too easy" for for the OP. Granted his question might come across a bit arrogant, especially with the PR listed for every sport he has been invovled. However, I think the other path is also following a valid question: Why do people "get all wow" regarding triathlon vs., say, soccer for a given level of participant effort. I have many friends around the same age (+/- 20 years) and same level of fitness and skill with respect to their individual sports. They compete at soccer, basketball, softball, and are avid skiers, climbers, etc. It seems that there is more mystique surrounding triathlon and I suspect, as others have pointed out, it is related to the misconception that triathlon=Ironman. Related to this, my favorite question to be asked from friends and family is "when are you going to do a full triathlon", because my longest distance is HIM.

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And I realize everyday that I'm not the best.  I get smoked by freinds in XC, Can barely hang on for the weekend ride, and the 75 year old in the next lane with horrible form is going faster than me.  I just realize that people put a larger emphasis on " ooo a triathalon" than as read earlier "two a days for full foot ball all season long.  And I realize that everybody has different body ttypes so some activites are harder than others.  Also, I'm not trying to sound like an or make my way "prickdom".

2008-10-31 11:54 AM
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First, I think I big part of it is the swimming. I grew up going to the pool every day but never really swam and distance. I'd have died if I tried to swim 50 yds straight the first time I started training. That's probably hard for someone who comes from a competitive swimming background.

Second, all my friends road bikes growing up but we road to the end of the street and then stopped and hung out. Or, we road around on some trails and tried jumping a ramp then then stopped. Rarely, if ever, did we ride for 10-112 miles

Third, how many people do you know who run? Seriously, look at all the people you know (not just athletes) and how many could run a mile let alone a 5k?

Now put that all together in a row on the same day.  Take a lesson from this site and realize you're lucky to be fit...and try to stay that way.

Btw....I played football in HS when I was young and in shape. 2 a-days were very tiring and hard but they only last a couple weeks long before the season started. Meanwhile my first sprint training plan was 20 weeks long.

2008-10-31 12:25 PM
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xcrunner2010 - 2008-10-30 4:34 PM

Now its just a quick question, but i do not see the big deal of completing a triatholon.  I have people think they are absurd for even trying.  People don't get all "wow" when you go play basketball, soccer, and tennis in a row.  Sprint distances only last for an hour.  I think its fun, and it just a sport. 

 Can anyone tell me why some people think their nuts just for doing a triatholon.



My accomplishments should not be a big deal to you just like your accomplisment are NOT A BIG DEAL to me.

I could attack your bike and swim times in your log whether you think they are good or not (but not your run times since i am a slow runner). At the end of the day my goals, whether my first sprint or my tenth IM, are mine and I can feel the way i feel about them.

I guess I have a different view point since I started running in third grade and have done many, many sports including "cross country 6-11 grade (so far) , swim team, cycling, soccer, baseball, bowling (avg 170, high 247), tennis, and basketball, Hiking, Backpacking (Philmont Scout Ranch).

Unlike many people I guess, I can't stand it when I don't do anything. One reason for that maybe because the Rams, Cardinals are not so good this year.


By the way, I am always suspicious of anybody who writes a full resume unsolicited to support an argument. You are averaging over 2:00 min/100 and you are/were on the swim team? OK



2008-10-31 1:35 PM
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I was a lot slower when I was younger (swimming) a was always made of so I quit.

And I made this thread to ask what other people thought o this topic.  I was not trying to say i was the best (That's why i showed my times).  I want to be the best and will train everyday to be the best I can be but if I have a bad race theres always next time.

2008-10-31 2:36 PM
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I think djluscher hit it with his response. In terms of the OP it seems it is a valid question regardless of how the question was asked or its content. I’ve played other sports through my life and I can see why the OP wonders why triathlons causes a reaction from people that often are impress by it. I believe it is a simple as people are not familiar with our sport or equate triathlons to IM (which is unfortunate but expected) hence the reaction is often of amazement of some sort.

Often when I am asked about triathlons I personally encourage them to try it by stating it is “not that difficult”. Of course it is not intended to diminish the accomplishment of any triathlete, but the reality is that any person who chooses to do one and dedicate some time and do some train he/she will be able to complete a sprint race. If you don’t believe me just surf around the logs on this site or go to any sprint and watch the race. You’ll see people from different shapes, ages, colors and backgrounds finishing the race. Is it special? Yes! But it is very doable for most anyone who chooses to do so.



2008-10-31 2:58 PM
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Triathlon can be a fun sport, recreational sport, challenging sport, competitive sport....or just a sport you participate in to improve fitness for other sports......Sometimes it is a big deal when you complete a triathlon in a certain amount of time, or rediculously long distances.....

Im not exactly sure what this thread is entirely based on, but i have read a few peoples posts and its following other people's veiws of triathlon.

Depending on what you want to do triathlon can be a walk in the park if your not rediculously out of shape, or it can be the hardest experience of your life. I havent even done an ironman yet (only 19yo), but during my last triathlon i almost cried because i pushed myself so hard on the 1990 peugeot for the 30k bike segment, my legs were 1500 degrees celcius i swear.....

triathlon can be a big deal, if you fullfill your goals whether in distance or time...... or  it can just be a fun walk in the park with some beers along the way....... everyone should tri.

 

 

I grew up playing hockey, never swam biked or ran competitively..... but im 100% triathlon focused. XCrunner how old are you, i want to race you!!



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2008-10-31 3:29 PM
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This has turned into an interesting thread.   I don't think that the OP was out of line in any way.    In my opinion, part of the mystique surrounding triathlon involves the open water.  Most people are absolutely terrified at the thought of swimming in the ocean.  Can't stand?  Waves?  Sharks?  We all know experienced pool swimmers who still freaked out during their first tri or open water swim.  If you ask your friends and family why they don't do triathlons, 9/10 times they will answer because of the swim.  So far as not "getting"  the big deal about tris, I feel the same way about professional football.  I just do not see the allure of it, and can't imagine why thousands of people would sit out in the heat/rain/snow just to watch a bunch of guys either throw, run or kick a ball around for 3 hours.  To each their own.

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2008-10-31 3:50 PM
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I think djluscher hit it with his response. In terms of the OP it seems it is a valid question regardless of how the question was asked or its content. I’ve played other sports through my life and I can see why the OP wonders why triathlons causes a reaction from people that often are impress by it. I believe it is a simple as people are not familiar with our sport or equate triathlons to IM (which is unfortunate but expected) hence the reaction is often of amazement of some sort.

Often when I am asked about triathlons I personally encourage them to try it by stating it is “not that difficult”. Of course it is not intended to diminish the accomplishment of any triathlete, but the reality is that any person who chooses to do one and dedicate some time and do some train he/she will be able to complete a sprint race. If you don’t believe me just surf around the logs on this site or go to any sprint and watch the race. You’ll see people from different shapes, ages, colors and backgrounds finishing the race. Is it special? Yes! But it is very doable for most anyone who chooses to do so.

 

I agree.  It is a big deal.  It is an accomplishment.  It is equipment intensive and skill intensive (although you certianly do not need  expensive equipment or a high skill level).  And the first one you do, at least the first one I did, is scary as all hell for a variety of reason (concerns about skill level, equipment, fitness etc.). 

I understand it is seen as crazy or nuts.  It is a hobby that many of us devote in excess of 10 hours a week training for.  We choose racing and training over staying up late, eating and drinking, time with our families and add your own.  We spend our money on clothes and wet suits and bikes. 

Most of us do it without a hope of placing and even if we do with no real award other than a job well done and a buff bod.

Then again, I think people who play video games are nuts or crazy.

 

2008-10-31 4:22 PM
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. XCrunner how old are you, i want to race you!!

 Im 16 already told you 1k week ago in a differnt thread -- you said you should stick to the sprint distance races.

 I guess I started this thread so someone could explain the "wow factor".  I guess everybody "the population" (not people on bt) thinks a triatholon is a IM triatholon.



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2008-10-31 7:14 PM
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amiine - 2008-10-31 3:36 PM

I think djluscher hit it with his response. In terms of the OP it seems it is a valid question regardless of how the question was asked or its content. I’ve played other sports through my life and I can see why the OP wonders why triathlons causes a reaction from people that often are impress by it. I believe it is a simple as people are not familiar with our sport or equate triathlons to IM (which is unfortunate but expected) hence the reaction is often of amazement of some sort.

Often when I am asked about triathlons I personally encourage them to try it by stating it is “not that difficult”. Of course it is not intended to diminish the accomplishment of any triathlete, but the reality is that any person who chooses to do one and dedicate some time and do some train he/she will be able to complete a sprint race. If you don’t believe me just surf around the logs on this site or go to any sprint and watch the race. You’ll see people from different shapes, ages, colors and backgrounds finishing the race. Is it special? Yes! But it is very doable for most anyone who chooses to do so.

I come back to my original answer to the OP's question: triathlons are hard.  I have participated in all kinds of sports and to do your best (and BTW "your best" may be a DFL finish) you must work hard.  Jorge- your use of the phrase  "dedicate some time and do some train he/she will be able to complete a sprint " is right on.  If you dedicate yourself to something you will be afforded the opportunity for success.



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xcrunner2010 - 2008-10-31 5:22 PM

. XCrunner how old are you, i want to race you!!

Im 16 already told you 1k week ago in a differnt thread -- you said you should stick to the sprint distance races.

I guess I started this thread so someone could explain the "wow factor". I guess everybody "the population" (not people on bt) thinks a triatholon is a IM triatholon.



Keep this thread, print it out and put it on your 'fridge. In 20 years re-read it and see how you're coming over to the people who have been out of college longer than you've been alive.
2008-10-31 7:59 PM
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I never said triatholons are not hard or time comsuming, just that other sports are too.
2008-11-01 7:24 AM
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xcrunner2010 - 2008-10-31 8:59 PM I never said triatholons are not hard or time comsuming, just that other sports are too.

Yes you did.  You said "what's the big deal".  You may just now be realizing you spoke too precipitously.  Nothing wrong with being wrong.  You are young and will learn that life is full of making mistakes. I make about 20,000 a day.  Now go train some. 

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Apparently spelling triathlon is harder than doing one.
2008-11-01 8:42 AM
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spelling, my tragic flaw. Aww 

 One person brought up the point that I should ask all the people i know, not just athletes and see who could run a mile or a 5k.  Many can not but the same people could never go play an entire soccer game or a game of basketball.



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DanielG - 2008-10-31 8:41 PM

xcrunner2010 - 2008-10-31 5:22 PM

. XCrunner how old are you, i want to race you!!

Im 16 already told you 1k week ago in a differnt thread -- you said you should stick to the sprint distance races.

I guess I started this thread so someone could explain the "wow factor". I guess everybody "the population" (not people on bt) thinks a triatholon is a IM triatholon.



Keep this thread, print it out and put it on your 'fridge. In 20 years re-read it and see how you're coming over to the people who have been out of college longer than you've been alive.


I respectfully disagree. I am almost 50 and start doing triathlons 3-4 years ago and I agree with the original poster. There is nothing to finish a sprint triathlon specially with the current time limits which are set to include almost everybody. The whole thing is way overblown. There are some triathlons where you do a 300 yard pool swim, 12 mile bike ride and run/walk 2 miles.
You don't need any kind of fitness to finish that in 2 hours and call yourself a triathlete.
Even an Ironman with 17 hour time cut-off is not that hard(I did not say easy) to finish for a reasonably fit person with 5-6 months of dedicated training.
Go watch the finish line of an Ironman in the last 2 hrs and you will see all shapes and sizes of people whom I would call average and not looking very fit. Almost half of the Ironman finishers are first time finishers and would go back to their couch after they put their checkmark on their bucket list. Wow factor and mystic is mostly created by the industry who gain financially from the whole thing.


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I agree. It is a big deal. It is an accomplishment. It is equipment intensive and skill intensive (although you certianly do not need expensive equipment or a high skill level). And the first one you do, at least the first one I did, is scary as all hell for a variety of reason (concerns about skill level, equipment, fitness etc.).

BigDH,

What is intensive about the equipment? I have seen people on their $200 Wall-Mart bike finishing a sprint triathlon. You are contradicting yourself first saying that and then admitting you do need expensive equipment and high skill level.
The whole thing is way overblown. and not a big deal at all.
There is no need to make it sound like a big deal to feel good about ourselves.
2008-11-01 10:08 AM
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DerekL - 2008-11-01 7:41 AM Apparently spelling triathlon is harder than doing one.

 I think there should be a an extra "o" in the middle --adds an extra syllable and sounds better triatholon, yes

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xcrunner2010 - 2008-10-31 5:22 PM

. XCrunner how old are you, i want to race you!!

Im 16 already told you 1k week ago in a differnt thread -- you said you should stick to the sprint distance races.

I guess I started this thread so someone could explain the "wow factor". I guess everybody "the population" (not people on bt) thinks a triatholon is a IM triatholon.



Keep this thread, print it out and put it on your 'fridge. In 20 years re-read it and see how you're coming over to the people who have been out of college longer than you've been alive.


I respectfully disagree.


Perhaps I missed something but what are you disagreeing with in my post? I didn't say one way or the other, I just suggested the poster save the thread and re-read it 20 years from now and see.
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