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 2009-05-04 1:16 PM |
Expert  683    Fort Worth, Texas |  Subject: Swim Training - smooth or baggy?No, not shaggy - we all know you've gotta shave your legs, right guys? The question - is it better to train in sleek fitting jammer-type suits or baggy trunks? Argument for trunks - drag factor makes me work harder = train better; Argument for jammer - swimming like you do on race day, sleekness allows you to focus on things that really matter like stroke, breathing, form, etc. Opinions? Grazie db |
| 2009-05-04 1:22 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
Champion 7233  | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? do you bike in a dress? trunks are for hanging out at the beach or the lazy river pool;-) |
| 2009-05-04 1:23 PM in reply to: #2128908 |
| Pro 4054 yep, | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? newbz - 2009-05-04 2:22 PM do you bike in a dress? trunks are for hanging out at the beach or the lazy river pool;-) x2
Also it will mess with your balance in the water and also will make you float better maybe.?! |
| 2009-05-04 1:27 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? dblack1801 - 2009-05-04 11:16 AM No, not shaggy - we all know you've gotta shave your legs, right guys? The question - is it better to train in sleek fitting jammer-type suits or baggy trunks? Argument for trunks - drag factor makes me work harder = train better; Argument for jammer - swimming like you do on race day, sleekness allows you to focus on things that really matter like stroke, breathing, form, etc. Opinions? Grazie db How good a swimmer are you? I would guess that you never spent any significant time on a team, since you're asking the question. :D Drag suits/baggy suits are kind of like the parachutes that you see the sprinters using occasionally. They are used for specific purposes, kind of like paddles and fins (Such as making you work harder in interval sets). That being said, I train in jammers 100% of the time (Or tri shorts if I'm doing OWS.) John |
| 2009-05-04 1:27 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
Master 1547 | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? you would be better off with a drag suit if you want resistance...but even those are not recommended for every swim. the big trunks are just silly once you get to this level. Just commit and don't look back. It's not like you are wearing them lounging around the pool deck. |
| 2009-05-04 1:30 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
Veteran 312 Bessemer, AL | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? Train in jammers. I had a coach who made me upgrade (when I first got started) from a pretty standard 1 piece swim suit to a real swimmer's speed type suit. He said, "You're an athlete. Dress like one." Or something to that affect. |
| 2009-05-04 1:37 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
Extreme Veteran 377 Western, Mass Bronze member | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? I think non rank beginners look silly in trunks. Swim like a swimmer, dress like one. Besides you couldn't look worse than i did a 260lbs. No one Kevin Edited by KML 2009-05-04 1:38 PM |
| 2009-05-04 3:01 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
Master 1718 Loughborough, England | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? I wear baggy shorts whilst training simply because I don't have any tight fitting ones, other than a tri suit which I wouldn't want to use in training all the time. I know they slow me down but I don't really care. Training speed don't mean anything. |
| 2009-05-04 3:04 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
| New user 1 | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? i recommend a combination of swimming in the jammer and swimming with a drag suit, just for the drag factor, when you are doing something where you wanna know if you've improved or not use the jammer, when you are training to get to that point use the drag suit. i have a small one that adds no real extra bulk, but still can feel the drag. |
| 2009-05-04 3:44 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
Member 62 Portland, OR | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? Wear the jammers. If you go any distance in baggy shorts you'll be exhausted and you your arms won't be used to the high repetition required in the actual race. When I swam competitively I would wear 1-2 old suits on top of my good suit. The old suits would be full of holes from the chlorine and waterpolo tears so they provided a bit of drag - the amount was minimal I'm sure. If we wanted just a bit more drag we would throw on a pair of old nylons. Swimming with pockets full of water is torture. |
| 2009-05-04 4:25 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? I wear a drag suit for 100% of my training. That thing never wears out. The Jammer/trishort shows up on race day. I would lose the baggy trunks though. |
 2009-05-04 4:32 PM in reply to: #2128908 |
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| 2009-05-05 2:08 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
| Expert 683 Fort Worth, Texas | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? Thanks, y'all. I'm already a "jammer" trainer and have recently ordered my second pair along with a drag suit. This post will be sent to my buddies who are new to tri but want to continue - and who didn't believe me about the suit differences. BTW - what is QFT (or QTF)? |
| 2009-05-05 2:53 PM in reply to: #2131944 |
| Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? dblack1801 - 2009-05-05 12:08 PM Thanks, y'all. I'm already a "jammer" trainer and have recently ordered my second pair along with a drag suit. This post will be sent to my buddies who are new to tri but want to continue - and who didn't believe me about the suit differences. BTW - what is QFT (or QTF)? QFT = Quoted For Truth, another way of saying x2. John |
| 2009-05-05 2:58 PM in reply to: #2132121 |
| Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? tkd.teacher - 2009-05-05 2:53 PM dblack1801 - 2009-05-05 12:08 PM Thanks, y'all. I'm already a "jammer" trainer and have recently ordered my second pair along with a drag suit. This post will be sent to my buddies who are new to tri but want to continue - and who didn't believe me about the suit differences. BTW - what is QFT (or QTF)? QFT = Quoted For Truth, another way of saying x2. John A. That's obtuse...QFT B. I mix it up during swims, depending on what is clean. I like to keep torturing my tri-shorts with any of the three events to a minimum. Those mother hubbards are expensive, and I have already worn pair out from biking and another has 'pulls' from the abrasive sides of the pool. |
| 2009-05-05 3:03 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
| Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? For pool swimming I use my drag suit almost 100% of the time. The only time I will switch to a faster suit is if I have an important TT. Shane |
| 2009-05-05 3:08 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
| Expert 727 South Windsor CT | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? I really like jammers, but I hardley get to wear them because the pool at the local gym is filled with older men and women who prefer not to swim, and take up all the lanes with aqua walking and get tee'd off if you try to actually swim in the pool.  |
| 2009-05-05 4:49 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
| Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? FWIW, I wear trunks for about 95% of my training. It's just an old habit from back in the day. We used to pile on additional drag as we got stronger until we were wearing running tights, 2-3 suits, and a sleevless t-shirt. I don't really care what it looks like, or how slow it makes me go during training. I care how fast and strong I am on race day. When you put on your tri shorts and hit the water on race day, you'll feel crazy-fast, and you will be confident that you'll have a good swim and come out of the water with plenty left in the tank for the bike & run. |
| 2009-05-05 5:57 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
| New user 79 | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? try to get drag other ways while in the water. swim without a cap (if you have long hair), drag your knuckles in the water while swimming freestyle, swim with a closed fist instead of open palm etc.etc. these types of exercises don't really mess around with your form or boyancy but do add an amount of resistance. also, don't make it the only way you train, it is still important to train exactly how you will compete. |
| 2009-05-05 6:16 PM in reply to: #2128887 |
| Expert 773 northern, ky | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? Speedo's! and I guess usually a drag suit over that. |
| 2009-05-06 12:01 AM in reply to: #2128887 |
| Member 15 Hutchinson | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? I wear drag a suit in all of my workouts. Here and there I'll take them off for an interval, but it's always best to train with drag. |
| 2009-05-06 8:58 AM in reply to: #2129408 |
| Expert 1123 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: Swim Training - smooth or baggy? ewricha - 2009-05-04 4:44 PM Wear the jammers. If you go any distance in baggy shorts you'll be exhausted and you your arms won't be used to the high repetition required in the actual race. When I swam competitively I would wear 1-2 old suits on top of my good suit. The old suits would be full of holes from the chlorine and waterpolo tears so they provided a bit of drag - the amount was minimal I'm sure. If we wanted just a bit more drag we would throw on a pair of old nylons. Swimming with pockets full of water is torture. Back when I did the swim team (it was only 1 year admittedly) most of the guys wore trunks during practice about 85% of the time.. I'll admit I wore a huge pair of trunks for the first several months of my training and it definitely made things interesting. My drag suit now feels like I'm easily gliding through the water, and just that switch probably dropped 30" off of my 500 splits. I won't be going back to the huge trunks though. Many sprinters do use drag sleds/parachutes, so how is this really different? A drag suit still doesn't add that much |
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