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 2009-08-14 9:55 PM in reply to: #2350000 |
Expert  1170    Southern Pines, NC |  Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks.KzooJason - 2009-08-14 10:20 PM agarose2000 - 2009-08-14 9:58 PM Noob question here - is it considered bad form to "sprint' all the way thru the transition? Just my two cents, but the whole thing is a race. If you can sprint past a bunch of people in transition then more power to you. Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking... My whole race strategy so far has been to survive the swim, then use the bike to pass as many people as I can before I run out of road. If I could pass people in T1 too I'd be even happier.  |
| 2009-08-14 10:11 PM in reply to: #2348744 |
Veteran 344 Traverse City, MI | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. Any tips for a first timer? I am using running shoes in strap pedals. No clips with bike shoes. I plan to go barefoot right into my running shoes (pre-tied with the stretchy laces). Perhaps some vaseline to make the slip on quicker. T2 should be brief...Any insight? |
| 2009-08-15 3:33 AM in reply to: #2349974 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. agarose2000 - 2009-08-14 8:58 PM
Not sure about this, I've never been told to "walk it through" the start or dismount in any tri I've done. |
| 2009-08-15 7:13 AM in reply to: #2348744 |
Expert 1118 , North Carolina | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. Did I miss something or am I the only one wondering... |
| 2009-08-15 10:06 AM in reply to: #2348744 |
Veteran 434 Apex, NC | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. This is a timely discussion for me. I have been wanting to speed up my transition but looking for ways other than the obvious "do everything faster".So I tried no socks. After a discussion on an earlier thread, I tried to run 1.7 miles to the pool and ended up with blisters.My thinking up to now has been that if I have to put on socks for the run, I might as well put them on for the bike. Is there any speed reason not to? Does the "shoes on the bike start" save enough time to warrant waiting until T2 for socks? Any other reason? |
| 2009-08-15 10:27 AM in reply to: #2348744 |
| Tyler, | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. a guy I coach did his first triathlon a few weeks ago and had the 3rd fastest T1 time, he must have passed 10 people hopping on his bike while they were all stopped trying to get on clipping their shoes in the pedals...so learn the flying mount and save yourself time. I went over transitions with him for an hour or so a week before...and I coach this guy for free food. |
| 2009-08-15 10:56 AM in reply to: #2350309 |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. smoom - 2009-08-15 8:06 PM This is a timely discussion for me. I have been wanting to speed up my transition but looking for ways other than the obvious "do everything faster".So I tried no socks. After a discussion on an earlier thread, I tried to run 1.7 miles to the pool and ended up with blisters.My thinking up to now has been that if I have to put on socks for the run, I might as well put them on for the bike. Is there any speed reason not to? Does the "shoes on the bike start" save enough time to warrant waiting until T2 for socks? Any other reason? I have been going soakless (I use Zoot shoes for my run and have zero issues) but I have a friend who bikes soakless and puts them on for a run cause it is much harder to put soaks on a wet foot. There are tricks like rolling your socks down etc but by the time you come back from your bike ride they should be dry enough to put socks on. |
| 2009-08-15 11:02 AM in reply to: #2349262 |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. Giant Tortoise - 2009-08-15 12:24 AM The real key to a fast transition is the one that ironically is rarely mentioned in the transition tips I see here and elsewhere... While I don't disagree with the run faster I don't believe that is the difference between an excellant transitition time and a so so one. It is funny though cause I really had to convince my friend that the transition was part of the race and she should run through it. But, in my last race, had I been capable of mounting with my shoes already on the bike I would have saved enough time to move me up about 30-40 spots in the race. In my first race of this season it was at least the 8 second difference that kept me out of first place for overall female (small race). My T2 is quick since I do not use socks. Your not putting your shoes on your feet until your up to speed so your wasting pretty much zero time in putting on bike shoes. All that being said, I plan on sticking to the putting shoes on in transistion:-) But I do know what I am missing by doing that. |
| 2009-08-15 12:21 PM in reply to: #2350190 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. maria40nc - 2009-08-15 7:13 AM Did I miss something or am I the only one wondering... T1 was 24.9 seconds, fastest in the race (BTW, fellow BTer Cajuntriguy was second in T1 at 26.5 second. He also won his age group despite having slower combined S/B/R times. I.e., he won it on the tranisitions.) T2 was relatively slower as i couln'd get my pinkie toe into my shoe. (I'm considering amputation to make for faster future transitions.) Still, my 39.8 seconds wasn't bad, they had some around 24 seconds but I suspect they rode their bikes in their running shoes. Remember I'm changing shoes to give me that o/a 8th place on the bike. In the race this morning they didn't break out transition times, but the preliminary results show me as having the second best overall T1/Bike/T2 time. Right in between the overall winner (who is a 20-something-yo local cycling god) and the overall female winner (state criterium and time trial champion). |
| 2009-08-15 12:43 PM in reply to: #2348744 |
Veteran 434 Apex, NC | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. Hey Triritter, you mean a flying start with no bike shoes on right (i.e., shoes on the bike)? Or is that there that much value learning the flying start with shoes already on? Thanks. |
| 2009-08-15 1:23 PM in reply to: #2350459 |
| Tyler, | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. smoom - 2009-08-15 12:43 PM Hey Triritter, you mean a flying start with no bike shoes on right (i.e., shoes on the bike)? Or is that there that much value learning the flying start with shoes already on? Thanks. Hey Gary, I put my belt and number in my shorts at Wool Capt and had the fastest transitions, I just pulled it out later on the bike when I remembered haha. Hey Bear you put the number in the back side....so no junk will be in the way. And to answer your question(s) you have your shoes already clipped in on the bike with a rubber band around the back loop, the tri shoes have that if you have the roadies you can still make it work with no band, but it might be a little rougher. Yes, you will save a good bit of time, because you won't be in one spot putting your cycling shoes on and it's faster to run barefooted than with cycling shoes on and it doesn't take a great deal of athletic ability to jump on your bike if I can do it and the guy I train is 46 yo and that was his first tri. Aaron (Jeepfleeb) is strongly in favor of the flying mount. You also want your area organized and with little gear as possible, so less is more only put out what you need and in the order you use it. |
| 2009-08-15 2:42 PM in reply to: #2349262 |
Expert 1215 Austin, TX | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. Giant Tortoise - 2009-08-14 2:24 PM The real key to a fast transition is the one that ironically is rarely mentioned in the transition tips I see here and elsewhere... I am always surprised at the number of people I pass between the swim exit and the bike rack. For some reason, people seem to turn off race mode when in the transition area. Also, coming out of T2 you don't need to put everything on at your rack spot. Shoes on, grab hat and race belt and head for the run. Put this stuff on as you are running. |
| 2009-08-15 2:50 PM in reply to: #2350611 |
Champion 10020 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. I remember my first race when I had to walk the transition area. It was huge and I had to get my heart rate down! I would guess that anyone walking in transition is either new to the sport, or really truly does not care about their times (I don't get these people). Ditching the socks for shorter events made ALL the difference for me. The first time I stood there in T2 for a sec, wondering what I had forgot. Since then I only spend about 10 secs at T2. The rest of the time is spent back and forth to my rack. I hate big races, screws up the T times... |
| 2009-08-15 3:35 PM in reply to: #2350053 |
Extreme Veteran 314 | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. Taffle - 2009-08-14 11:11 PM Any tips for a first timer? I am using running shoes in strap pedals. No clips with bike shoes. I plan to go barefoot right into my running shoes (pre-tied with the stretchy laces). Perhaps some vaseline to make the slip on quicker. T2 should be brief...Any insight? I'm a baby powder guy, but try practicing with both to see what works. Get some yankz or lock laces for your shoes. Going barefoot is perfect, just make sure you train that way first. Sounds like you can just drop your bike and go. |
| 2009-08-15 4:16 PM in reply to: #2350651 |
Veteran 344 Traverse City, MI | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. nhangen - 2009-08-15 4:35 PM I'm a baby powder guy, but try practicing with both to see what works. Get some yankz or lock laces for your shoes. Going barefoot is perfect, just make sure you train that way first. Sounds like you can just drop your bike and go. Thanks, Ill try that out. I am headed down to the lake to practice andd experiment. In addition to no wetsuit, I am plan on being lightning fast during the transitions, and barefoot is suprisingly not all the uncomfortable with my kicks. All you guys have been given me great advice! now time to practive the hop-on-bike.  |
| 2009-08-15 6:16 PM in reply to: #2348744 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. I gave up socks this year. Don't miss the hassle at all. |
| 2009-08-16 6:06 PM in reply to: #2348744 |
Expert 961 Illinois _ Chicago area | Subject: RE: Work on those transitions, folks. Yup....made a major goof in my race today and ran down the wrong lane in transition which meant I had to run back. Added time to my T2. I placed 3rd in my age group. Time separating 3rd and 1st... 5 seconds. |
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