HR on Trainer vs. Street
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2009-11-02 10:01 AM |
Expert 1121 Chicago | Subject: HR on Trainer vs. Street Any wisdom out there on there being a difference between heart rate on the trainer vs. riding outside on the street? I did a LT test on the trainer a week ago, had nothing left when I was finished and average HR was mid to high 150's. I rode outside yesterday pretty aggressively for a half hour and average HR was high 160's. Is the trainer different enough from riding on the street that you would perhaps expect a different LT or do you think they should be pretty much the same. |
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2009-11-02 10:04 AM in reply to: #2493093 |
Veteran 143 Longview | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street No scientific data but my HR is considerably lower on the trainer. When outside my HR spikes on hills. |
2009-11-02 10:15 AM in reply to: #2493093 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street Ershk - 2009-11-02 10:01 AM Any wisdom out there on there being a difference between heart rate on the trainer vs. riding outside on the street? I did a LT test on the trainer a week ago, had nothing left when I was finished and average HR was mid to high 150's. I rode outside yesterday pretty aggressively for a half hour and average HR was high 160's. Is the trainer different enough from riding on the street that you would perhaps expect a different LT or do you think they should be pretty much the same. what type of cooling fans do you have set up? Outside the wind helps you cool, inside you don't have that |
2009-11-02 10:54 AM in reply to: #2493093 |
Master 1420 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street My HR is usually much higher on the trainer - less wind, no stops, etc. Was there a big difference in temp on the trainer vs. outside? |
2009-11-02 10:55 AM in reply to: #2493093 |
Member 167 Peachtree City, GA | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street I have found the two to be very consistent over multiple tests. One thing to watch out for is that you are "fresh" for the LT test. You don't want to have blown it out the day (or even two) days prior to the test so your body has had a chance to recover. My day-to-day "perceived" threshhold has quite a bit of variability depending on: how I slept, what I ate, if I was dehydrated, etc... Perhaps you should attempt another LT to add another data point before you draw any conclusions. Also, as noted above, watch the enviro conditions to make sure you're not in a sauna or even too cold. |
2009-11-02 11:02 AM in reply to: #2493093 |
Expert 927 Longview, TX | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street I too am considerably lower. Anybody out there have power vs HR data for the trainer vs the road? That might be interesting to see. |
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2009-11-02 3:05 PM in reply to: #2493093 |
Pro 4343 Olney, MD | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street My HR is consistently lower on the trainer; HR on rollers is more similar to road. |
2009-11-02 3:11 PM in reply to: #2493093 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street Usually I have a lower HR on the trainer vs, the road. I don't know if it has to do with taking it easier on the trainer, or if the outside conditions are that much more difficult. I'm assuming the latter. |
2009-11-02 4:19 PM in reply to: #2493093 |
Expert 1121 Chicago | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street Thanks for various responses. The "freshness" of my legs on each should have been comparable; however, I have yet to set up a fan. I've just been sweating it out for my 45 min to hour long sessions on the trainer. Maybe that's a factor. Also possible that with only one data point on each, it was just some normal randomness. I'll keep an eye on it. |
2009-11-02 4:23 PM in reply to: #2493093 |
Elite 3315 Miami | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street conditions you face outside are much different compared to your garage. trainer has less resistance. and wind plays a huge factor. power tap on the trainer doesn't work accurately from what i understand but maybe i am wrong here. i usually tend to be lower on the HR but you have to crank up the resistance to get the same adequate workouts. |
2009-11-02 4:39 PM in reply to: #2493093 |
Master 2094 | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street I saw an article about a year ago which said that it is harder to get the heart rate up on a trainer than the road. I tried to find it but can't. My heart rate is constantly slightly higher on the road than inside. I agree with the wind and element theory. I think it is just safer inside. The rollers take the safety factor out of the equation after hearing about people sliding off and crashing into their TVs |
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2009-11-02 5:04 PM in reply to: #2493093 |
Pro 4360 Baton Rouge area | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street Wow, this seems to be reverse on what I expected. My trainer is much more of a workout then the road. Hour on the trainer is much harder than hour on the road (constant pedalling, no coasting, etc). May be not having the fear of being run off the road, animals crossing the road, pot holes, etc makes the trainer ride less stressful. I will have to try this once I get my garmin set up for this. |
2009-11-02 6:18 PM in reply to: #2493932 |
Champion 5874 Milton, GA | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street trix - 2009-11-02 5:23 PM conditions you face outside are much different compared to your garage. trainer has less resistance. and wind plays a huge factor. power tap on the trainer doesn't work accurately from what i understand but maybe i am wrong here. i usually tend to be lower on the HR but you have to crank up the resistance to get the same adequate workouts. My Power Tap works just fine on the trainer. The beauty of training with power is that power is power no matter where you are riding. 250 watt ride on the trainer is the same as a 250 watt ride on the road even though HR may vary between the two (wind, heat, etc). |
2009-11-02 6:33 PM in reply to: #2493093 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street The main factor has to do with cooling; unless you have lots of air movement inside you are less able to cool yourself which leads to a lower HR. |
2009-11-02 7:26 PM in reply to: #2494135 |
Extreme Veteran 1996 Halifax, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street gsmacleod - 2009-11-02 8:33 PM The main factor has to do with cooling; unless you have lots of air movement inside you are less able to cool yourself which leads to a lower HR.
I suspect you're right but that rationale seems counter intuitive, doesn't it? The fact that you are less able to cool yourself makes you warmer and that puts more stress on the heart, not less? Just curious. In hot weather, for example, people with coronary issues are more lucky to have a heart attack when exercising because of the added heart stress. |
2009-11-02 7:39 PM in reply to: #2494227 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street blairrob - 2009-11-02 9:26 PM I suspect you're right but that rationale seems counter intuitive, doesn't it? The fact that you are less able to cool yourself makes you warmer and that puts more stress on the heart, not less? Just curious. In hot weather, for example, people with coronary issues are more lucky to have a heart attack when exercising because of the added heart stress. While you would initially expect HR to be higher, time to fatigue decreases greatly as core temperature increases so the net result is typically a lower HR indoors as opposed to outdoors. Shane |
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2009-11-02 7:46 PM in reply to: #2494250 |
Extreme Veteran 1996 Halifax, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street gsmacleod - 2009-11-02 9:39 PM While you would initially expect HR to be higher, time to fatigue decreases greatly as core temperature increases so the net result is typically a lower HR indoors as opposed to outdoors. Thanks Shane. You do know your stuff! |
2009-11-02 10:19 PM in reply to: #2493093 |
Extreme Veteran 669 Olathe, Kansas | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street Ershk - 2009-11-02 10:01 AM Any wisdom out there on there being a difference between heart rate on the trainer vs. riding outside on the street? I did a LT test on the trainer a week ago, had nothing left when I was finished and average HR was mid to high 150's. I rode outside yesterday pretty aggressively for a half hour and average HR was high 160's. Is the trainer different enough from riding on the street that you would perhaps expect a different LT or do you think they should be pretty much the same. What you are experiencing is pretty normal and is a result of lack of cooling. LTHR will be lower on the trainer and all zones adjust lower accordingly. It is recommended testing be done indoors for the upcoming trainer period in colder climates. You can't compare those zones and LTHR to outdoors. Body is using blood to cool the layer below the skin and it is taking it away from muscles to do it. That drives LTHR lower, reduces your power output at LTHR, makes RPE higher for a given HR compared to outside. MY outside bike field test LTHR estimate is 170 bpm, indoors at least 10 bpm lower. |
2009-11-03 8:41 AM in reply to: #2494250 |
Extreme Veteran 454 OKC | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street gsmacleod - 2009-11-02 7:39 PM While you would initially expect HR to be higher, time to fatigue decreases greatly as core temperature increases so the net result is typically a lower HR indoors as opposed to outdoors. Shane Hmmm... that's not what my exercise physiology textbook says. It also goes against my direct experience. For any given wattage or pace, my HR indoors is always quite a bit higher. From Physiology of Sport & Exercise , Costill: Cardiovascular Drift With prolonged aerobic exercise or aerobic exercise in a hot environment, at a constant exercise intensity, SV gradually decreases and HR increases, Cardiac output is well maintained, but arterial blood pressure also declines. These alterations, illustrated in figure 7.9, have been referred to collectively as cardiovascular drift, and they are generally associated with increasing body temperature. When I get too hot, my pace/power has to decrease, but my heart still has to thermoregulate, so it remains high. |
2009-11-03 9:22 AM in reply to: #2494932 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street lrobb - 2009-11-03 10:41 AM Hmmm... that's not what my exercise physiology textbook says. It also goes against my direct experience. For any given wattage or pace, my HR indoors is always quite a bit higher. I wasn't talking about maintaining the same wattage, I was talking about maintaining the same effort. Typically it will be harder to maintain a given wattage indoors so it will feel more difficult and your HR would be higher. However most athletes are unable (or unwilling) to push themselves to this level so they will see a lower HR during an indoor test if they are pacing by effort level. Shane |
2009-11-03 9:22 AM in reply to: #2494250 |
Master 1420 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street gsmacleod - 2009-11-02 8:39 PM blairrob - 2009-11-02 9:26 PM I suspect you're right but that rationale seems counter intuitive, doesn't it? The fact that you are less able to cool yourself makes you warmer and that puts more stress on the heart, not less? Just curious. In hot weather, for example, people with coronary issues are more lucky to have a heart attack when exercising because of the added heart stress. While you would initially expect HR to be higher, time to fatigue decreases greatly as core temperature increases so the net result is typically a lower HR indoors as opposed to outdoors. Shane That is interesting and the exact opposite of what I have experienced. My guess is that my HR has a lot more time to settle at stops on a outside ride vs. an indoor trainer ride. My power numbers are usually a little higher inside than outside as my power is more evenly distributed and there is no soft pedaling, coasting, etc. Edited by docswim24 2009-11-03 9:23 AM |
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2009-11-03 10:21 AM in reply to: #2494135 |
Expert 1121 Chicago | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street gsmacleod - 2009-11-02 6:33 PM The main factor has to do with cooling; unless you have lots of air movement inside you are less able to cool yourself which leads to a lower HR. Both points (effect of cooling and using 2 separate tests) make a lot of sense. Thanks! |
2009-11-03 11:13 AM in reply to: #2495034 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street docswim24 - 2009-11-03 11:22 AM That is interesting and the exact opposite of what I have experienced. My guess is that my HR has a lot more time to settle at stops on a outside ride vs. an indoor trainer ride. My power numbers are usually a little higher inside than outside as my power is more evenly distributed and there is no soft pedaling, coasting, etc. Apparently I wasn't clear in my initial posts; I wasn't considering a typical trainer ride versus a typical outdoor ride (and definitely wasn't factoring in stops, starts, coasting, etc). I was talking about the difference between an indoor and outdoor threshold test and that often an athlete will see a lower HR indoors than they would be able to achieve outdoors (and then only during the test). Shane |
2009-11-03 11:18 AM in reply to: #2493093 |
Pro 4360 Baton Rouge area | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street Thanks for the updates, when I ride the trainer I typically have a fan on and I lower the temp on the A/C (or heater) to help keep me cool. But since I haven't monitored my HR on the trainer I can't tell if there was a difference. Either way thanks for the info! |
2009-11-03 12:34 PM in reply to: #2495332 |
Master 1420 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: HR on Trainer vs. Street gsmacleod - 2009-11-03 12:13 PM docswim24 - 2009-11-03 11:22 AM That is interesting and the exact opposite of what I have experienced. My guess is that my HR has a lot more time to settle at stops on a outside ride vs. an indoor trainer ride. My power numbers are usually a little higher inside than outside as my power is more evenly distributed and there is no soft pedaling, coasting, etc. Apparently I wasn't clear in my initial posts; I wasn't considering a typical trainer ride versus a typical outdoor ride (and definitely wasn't factoring in stops, starts, coasting, etc). I was talking about the difference between an indoor and outdoor threshold test and that often an athlete will see a lower HR indoors than they would be able to achieve outdoors (and then only during the test). Shane Gotcha and good info to know. |
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