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2010-05-20 7:37 AM in reply to: #2869725 |
Master 2946 Centennial, CO | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona TriRSquared - 2010-05-19 7:09 PM And if you have not read the 17 pages of the law you have NO business commenting on it. This is just plain silly on an internet forum. I support AZ, haven't read the law, and probably won't as it doesn't really affect me. But I will feel free to comment on it as I have my own opinions. Good luck trying to make everyone read a highly readable legalease document. |
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2010-05-20 7:53 AM in reply to: #2869725 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona TriRSquared - 2010-05-19 9:09 PM I'm supporting AZ as well. It's time the states took action for their own well being. Lord known the federal government is not going to do it. I'd like to see more states enact this same law. And if you have not read the 17 pages of the law you have NO business commenting on it. A friend of mine changed vacation plans from Oregon to Havasu Falls in AZ. It's pretty interesting how polarizing this is becoming. |
2010-05-20 9:07 AM in reply to: #2869148 |
Extreme Veteran 513 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona For those questioning it, the letter is definitely real. It was released here locally to the media the day that Pierce faxed it to LA and I'm pretty sure one of the local news outlets interviewed him over the weekend. The city of L.A. isn't the only city to boycott AZ. There have been many. San Francisco, Boston, Austin, St. Paul, Boulder, Seattle, El Paso, and more coming in the next weeks. I just think it's funny that so many of you are saying 'I support AZ'. You don't support Arizona, you're supporting the SB1070 legislation and the goons who passed it. I'm staying out of the debate this time, and won't post in this thread again. But there are many, many, many Arizonans who do NOT support this legislation in any way. |
2010-05-20 9:19 AM in reply to: #2870553 |
Champion 5522 Frisco, TX | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona megtrow - 2010-05-20 9:07 AM For those questioning it, the letter is definitely real. It was released here locally to the media the day that Pierce faxed it to LA and I'm pretty sure one of the local news outlets interviewed him over the weekend. The city of L.A. isn't the only city to boycott AZ. There have been many. San Francisco, Boston, Austin, St. Paul, Boulder, Seattle, El Paso, and more coming in the next weeks. I just think it's funny that so many of you are saying 'I support AZ'. You don't support Arizona, you're supporting the SB1070 legislation and the goons who passed it. I'm staying out of the debate this time, and won't post in this thread again. But there are many, many, many Arizonans who do NOT support this legislation in any way. Yet many more who do... What most of us are tired of is the duplicity of it all - the laws are already on the books at a federal level - yet this administration nor the last one nor the one before that does or did a damnnn thing about it.
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2010-05-20 9:21 AM in reply to: #2870034 |
Master 2083 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona mkarr0110 - 2010-05-20 12:26 AM Id really like to know what the euros and others on the forum think of this whole situation. I assume they find it quite stupid that people are angry about having to carry papers. Why is showing proof of citizenship such a big deal. Sigh i see why people stop voting for the presidency after a while. You can never seem to end up liking their policy. My wife and her family are legal immigrants from England. Her parents actually naturalized a year ago after a two year process. They have been here for 28 years. My wife will naturalize sometime in the future. In discussions with her she has expressed support for it. She carries her resident alien card on her at all times because IT'S THE LAW (or so she tells me, I have never looked it up). FWIW |
2010-05-20 9:35 AM in reply to: #2869148 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona I would like SCOTUS to overturn their ruling on "Reasonable Suspicion" but that affects all of us, not just this law. Likewise, I would like a legal definition of "Lawful Contact" in order to protect all of us, not just a potential voting block, or for political reasons. There is a lot of hypocrisy surrounding arguments for and against this bill. On one hand, the two items above fly in the face of rights, yet they exist today. I hear proponents of the bill have no issue with them. I hear opponents of the bill cite they when they have had no issues with these being used against EVERYONE in this country right now. It's all politics and hypocrisy. Where the #^)*@$ is the reset button on this country? |
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2010-05-20 9:46 AM in reply to: #2869148 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona I would have liked to be in the Mayor's office for the "Simpson DOH" moment when they received the fax and it got sent to LA's Mayor...
This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and I think cities and states boycotting each other is one big huge slippery slope, that I think we do not need to start going down.
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2010-05-20 11:03 AM in reply to: #2869268 |
Veteran 561 Arden Hills, MN | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona rayd - 2010-05-19 3:50 PM crazyquick23 - 2010-05-19 2:27 PM His threat is all well and good but who is he going to sell all that excess electricity too? Is he going to allow profits to suffer to prove his point? Is he willing to run his generators below their capacity? Put people on leave while generators are shut down? Won't that cost the Arizona economy more jobs? What about federal regulators? Just throwing some counterpoints out there. Seems like a lot of hot air on both sides. 25% of the electricity in LA. How many LA citizens are going to cut back consumption 25%...even 5%? LA will get their juice and AZ will keep selling to them. He's just making the Mayor look like a hypocrite with all the boycott business. Exactly. The way I read the letter, he's simply pointing out the absurdity of it all. The letter, as I read it, doesn't threaten to turn off the power. It's simply saying, if you're going to boycott then you'd better have the courage to stand behind your convictions and go all in and we stand ready to help do that be renegotiating the power contracts so you don't have to buy from us. But of course we all know the mayor of LA won't do that because passing some meaningless boycott is easy and is the epitome of political grandstanding. Actually sacrificing something to fight for those ideals is a whole other matter.... |
2010-05-20 11:08 AM in reply to: #2870267 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona velocomp - 2010-05-20 8:37 AM TriRSquared - 2010-05-19 7:09 PM And if you have not read the 17 pages of the law you have NO business commenting on it. This is just plain silly on an internet forum. I support AZ, haven't read the law, and probably won't as it doesn't really affect me. But I will feel free to comment on it as I have my own opinions. Good luck trying to make everyone read a highly readable legalease document. So you are going to comment on a topic on which you admit you do not have all the facts? To me THAT"S just plain silly. It's NOT that complicated. Spend a few mins and read the law. |
2010-05-20 11:11 AM in reply to: #2870757 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona trigods - 2010-05-20 9:46 AM Frankly I am appuled and amazed that a city would try and cause another city or state financial harm, in the US. Regardless of how you feel about another states decision you dont turn your back on them. Yes. You never go against the family. Once again, the Godfather was right. |
2010-05-20 11:15 AM in reply to: #2871094 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona scoobysdad - 2010-05-20 11:11 AM trigods - 2010-05-20 9:46 AM Frankly I am appuled and amazed that a city would try and cause another city or state financial harm, in the US. Regardless of how you feel about another states decision you dont turn your back on them. Yes. You never go against the family. Once again, the Godfather was right.
Oh yes I go against the family but you know I do not publicly bash them or tell other people I am not going to the family reunion, to make a statement. And I sure would not bash my grandmother in front of everyone when I know she may cut me out of the will.... |
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2010-05-20 2:17 PM in reply to: #2869148 |
Veteran 123 Carleton Place, Ontario | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona Here's your Simpson's Doh moment, the reply from LA. General Manager’s Statement Regarding LADWP Power Generation Assets in Arizona “I want to make clear that we support the City position regarding the recent law enacted in Arizona and the resolution adopted by the Los Angeles City Council. On any given day, we receive 20 – 25% of our power from two power plants located in Arizona: Navajo, a coal-fired plant, and Palo Verde, a nuclear plant. We are part owner of both power plants, which are generating assets of the Department. As such, nothing in the City’s resolution is inconsistent with our continuing to receive power from those LADWP-owned assets. I might add that, as the City’s Job Czar, I certainly would welcome any conventions or meetings that were going to be held in Arizona to come to Los Angeles. We have fantastic facilities and incomparable weather and we’d welcome them to the City of Angels.” - Austin Beutner, General Manager, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power Read more at Wonkette: http://wonkette.com/415530/ladwp-to-arizona-suck-it-we-own-your-pow... |
2010-05-20 2:36 PM in reply to: #2869148 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona The sad ironyof all this is, by boycotting the state, for most people that means not traveling to AZ or not buying meats, veggies, and fruits that are grown in that state. Hispanics do the majority of that type of labor (hotel, resturant, farm), so the lay off will come... |
2010-05-20 2:57 PM in reply to: #2869873 |
Veteran 200 NC | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona saling4 - 2010-05-19 10:24 PM Heck, I am thinking of moving to AZ just because SOMEONE has the huevos to stand up for themselves.......GO SUNDEVILS!!! Go Sundevils???? No, no, no. GO WILDCATS!!! Class of '92 thank you very much. |
2010-05-20 3:04 PM in reply to: #2869148 |
Master 1795 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona It was very encouraging to see this come out. The outrage for the Bill has now been vastly proven to NOT be the popular opinion. The case of basketball team boycott was another rediculous choice to take personal view a bit too far. Very unlikely any action would ever take place, but we need to have all the cards on the table. Does open the door for interstate commerce regulations and consequent gov't intervention which scares the heck out of me. IT would impact revenue for Utility, but not employment directly. I will gladly send my check to Utilty to make up the difference. It would be for short time as constituents quickly place personal comfort in front of social views and jump on backs of LA commissioners to kindly change their minds. 2 cents. |
2010-05-20 3:38 PM in reply to: #2871988 |
Champion 5807 Henderson NV | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona freer - 2010-05-20 12:57 PM saling4 - 2010-05-19 10:24 PM Heck, I am thinking of moving to AZ just because SOMEONE has the huevos to stand up for themselves.......GO SUNDEVILS!!! Go Sundevils???? No, no, no. GO WILDCATS!!! Class of '92 thank you very much. Are you profiling cats? Not all cats are wild you know.......Some people!! (I want my sarcastic font back). |
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2010-05-20 3:42 PM in reply to: #2869148 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona Everything is OK now.... the President of Mexico spoke before Congress critizing our laws and telling us we need to reform our immigration policy. Absoltuley shameful. How about this Mexico. Fix YOUR economy so people are not leaving in droves. I'm absolutly disgusted with our elected officials right now. Buch of weak spined, lilly livered.....ggggrgrgrgrggrgrgr!!!! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/20/mexicos-calderon-takes-case-congress/ (oh sorry, it's a fox news article, must be a lie...) |
2010-05-20 3:52 PM in reply to: #2872141 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona TriRSquared - 2010-05-20 3:42 PM Everything is OK now.... the President of Mexico spoke before Congress critizing our laws and telling us we need to reform our immigration policy. Absoltuley shameful. How about this Mexico. Fix YOUR economy so people are not leaving in droves. I'm absolutly disgusted with our elected officials right now. Buch of weak spined, lilly livered.....ggggrgrgrgrggrgrgr!!!! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/20/mexicos-calderon-takes-case-congress/ (oh sorry, it's a fox news article, must be a lie...) Would it be in poor taste to have an officer stop Calderon on the street and ask to see his papers? Seriously, can you imagine if a U.S. president went to Mexico and lectured them about their laws? That's just ridiculous. |
2010-05-20 5:02 PM in reply to: #2872181 |
Champion 5522 Frisco, TX | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona scoobysdad - 2010-05-20 3:52 PM TriRSquared - 2010-05-20 3:42 PM Everything is OK now.... the President of Mexico spoke before Congress critizing our laws and telling us we need to reform our immigration policy. Absoltuley shameful. How about this Mexico. Fix YOUR economy so people are not leaving in droves. Would it be in poor taste to have an officer stop Calderon on the street and ask to see his papers? Seriously, can you imagine if a U.S. president went to Mexico and lectured them about their laws? That's just ridiculous. I'm absolutly disgusted with our elected officials right now. Buch of weak spined, lilly livered.....ggggrgrgrgrggrgrgr!!!! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/20/mexicos-calderon-takes-case-congress/ (oh sorry, it's a fox news article, must be a lie...) My favorite was that he wanted us to stop the flow of arms and assault weapons into Mexico... Hey DA, its the Federales that are selling their own weapons to the drug lords, heck - some of Federales are actually the enforcers for the drug lords.. |
2010-05-20 5:11 PM in reply to: #2869148 |
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2010-05-20 5:21 PM in reply to: #2869148 |
Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona Yes!! LA must Boycott AZ!!!!!!! Except, that is, for our Lakers who we will gladly send to PHX to kick some a$$ The whole thing is truly stupid. our idiot leaders in LA should clean up their own backyard before passing judgment on another municipality |
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2010-05-20 6:32 PM in reply to: #2869148 |
Champion 5807 Henderson NV | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona Ever notice that there are no racist liberals or Democrats? It is amazing to me that a bunch of people can tag themselves as either or both and they miraculously are free of sin and being judgmental....I bow to their wisdom and graciousness in allowing "us other" people to live in their presence... |
2010-05-20 7:34 PM in reply to: #2872307 |
Champion 5522 Frisco, TX | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona AcesFull - 2010-05-20 5:11 PM I do not like the AZ law, but I also don't think LA has any business boycotting AZ. If Arizonans want to pass a law such as this, it is their business, assuming the law meets constitutional challenges. My opinion is that the law is, at its heart, essentially driven by the sort of insidious racism that many people experience, but deny overtly, and truly don't believe they are experiencing. Still, it is not up to LA to dictate to AZ what they should or should not do. Yes, I am saying that I know you better than you know yourself. Sorry. BS!!! condescend much? Did you take your mind reading classes at the same place as Carnac the Great? |
2010-05-20 7:58 PM in reply to: #2872307 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona AcesFull - 2010-05-20 6:11 PM I do not like the AZ law, but I also don't think LA has any business boycotting AZ. If Arizonans want to pass a law such as this, it is their business, assuming the law meets constitutional challenges. My opinion is that the law is, at its heart, essentially driven by the sort of insidious racism that many people experience, but deny overtly, and truly don't believe they are experiencing. Still, it is not up to LA to dictate to AZ what they should or should not do. Yes, I am saying that I know you better than you know yourself. Sorry. Ah the Janeane Garofalo school of politics. "Those that disagree with the democrats are racists". Nice. |
2010-05-20 10:01 PM in reply to: #2872413 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: California vs. Arizona saling4 - 2010-05-20 5:32 PM Ever notice that there are no racist liberals or Democrats? It is amazing to me that a bunch of people can tag themselves as either or both and they miraculously are free of sin and being judgmental....I bow to their wisdom and graciousness in allowing "us other" people to live in their presence... hit the nail on the head with that one! not lumping all dems in here but seems many liberals are very open minded and accepting...as long as you believe as they do! don't think like they do and you are labeled a bigot, racist, war monger, homophobe, etc. rolls eyes |
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