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2010-10-07 8:31 PM
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ChrisM - 2010-10-07 8:28 PM BTW, you haven't shared your IM swim time yet.


That's because he's a troll and everyone knows that trolls can't swim.


2010-10-07 8:33 PM
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kath9dav - 2010-10-07 9:17 PM Death before DNF.  If you consider a DNF a possibility, you've already lost. 


If you DNF, the terrorists have already won!

Seriously though, the poor OPs original question just got seriously sabotaged. It's pretty entertaining but hardly that helpful. Anyway, to the OP, I am a decent swimmer and swam lots in high school (usually top 10-15% in tris around here). Doing my first IM in 6 weeks or so and have committed to swimming 2X/week this year because I think that gives me a better chance of finishing fresh and picking up some time on slower swimmers. I, like you, think it makes more sense to spend what time I have on the bike and run and muddle my way through the swim. Having said that, I'm sure I could do the swim on 1X/week or less...if I swim slow I can just go all day long but I enjoy the cross training, upper body workout and lack of pounding a couple of times a week. I guess it just depends where you want to spend your time. There are probably lots of people just like you.

I read an article by Andy Potts a while ago. As a stud swimmer he said his biggest realization was that to be a very good triathlete, he needed to bring his bike and run up to his swimming ability, not let his swimming go to work on the others. Just some food for thought. He has a few more hours to train in the day though than most of us. After I read that though was when I committed to swimming 2x/week rather than "whenever".
2010-10-07 8:40 PM
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Delete, apologies.  I'll bow out now.


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2010-10-07 8:46 PM
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I swam about 36,000 yds after IM Lou last August til IM Moo this year. I swam a 1:20 at IM Moo this year. I would not recommend many of my training habits to anyone.

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2010-10-07 9:46 PM
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ChrisM - 2010-10-07 8:28 PM
kath9dav - 2010-10-07 6:17 PMDeath before DNF.  If you consider a DNF a possibility, you've already lost. 
Awesome! Having dnf'd an ironman for medical reasons, i'll take aa dnf over death. but that's just me. BTW, you haven't shared your IM swim time yet.


Ha ha! you dnf'ed....oh wait, so did I. Yep. I guess I'm just a loser for DNF'ing an Ironman.... A loser with 2 Kona medals hanging in my house.....

2010-10-08 12:56 PM
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louiskie - 2010-10-07 9:33 PM
kath9dav - 2010-10-07 9:17 PM Death before DNF.  If you consider a DNF a possibility, you've already lost. 


If you DNF, the terrorists have already won!

Seriously though, the poor OPs original question just got seriously sabotaged. It's pretty entertaining but hardly that helpful. Anyway, to the OP, I am a decent swimmer and swam lots in high school (usually top 10-15% in tris around here). Doing my first IM in 6 weeks or so and have committed to swimming 2X/week this year because I think that gives me a better chance of finishing fresh and picking up some time on slower swimmers. I, like you, think it makes more sense to spend what time I have on the bike and run and muddle my way through the swim. Having said that, I'm sure I could do the swim on 1X/week or less...if I swim slow I can just go all day long but I enjoy the cross training, upper body workout and lack of pounding a couple of times a week. I guess it just depends where you want to spend your time. There are probably lots of people just like you.

I read an article by Andy Potts a while ago. As a stud swimmer he said his biggest realization was that to be a very good triathlete, he needed to bring his bike and run up to his swimming ability, not let his swimming go to work on the others. Just some food for thought. He has a few more hours to train in the day though than most of us. After I read that though was when I committed to swimming 2x/week rather than "whenever".


I'm in exactly the same situation, only my first IM is in 4 weeks.  I've only swam about 100k yds so far this year.  I'm confident I could get by with as little swimming as the OP, but I also swim more frequently than that, because it maintains the edge that I have over most of the field at the end of the swim.  I know with more training I could be faster in the water, but that would need to come at the expense of bike & run training.  I try to find a balance between time spent on each of the disciplines that results in the fastest time for the race as a whole.


2010-10-09 7:30 PM
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kath9dav - 2010-10-07 6:56 PM I did not mean to insult anyone.  I often hear triathletes say their goals are simply to finish or not to be DQ'd due to a cutoff time.  To me, repeat, to me, well, to me and most of my training buddies, this runs totally contrary to why we participate in sports.  If I'm going to invest the training time and $$ it's not to simply finish, it is to try to win.  I never win btw.  To set the bar so low seems strange, but to each his/her own.  I believe that everyone is capable of far more than they think they can accomplish.  Why shoot for the lowest possible standard?

Oh, and I'm the father of two young daughters and work and all the rest.  Fortunately I can get in training from 5-7 am daily.


I really hope you aren't teaching your two daughters that if you can't "win" you should just stay home and not bother. That's a very, very sad attitude to have in life.

The "bar" of just finishing may be very high for some. Just because they aren't as good as you, doesn't mean they aren't trying as hard or putting in as much time and effort.

And why is something a "waste" if the person loves it and its keeping them fit and healthy?

Finally - making it across the finish line is not the lowest possible standard. That would be sitting at home on the couch.
2010-10-09 7:58 PM
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What is very, very sad is telling others how to parent. To me, sitting at home on the couch and simply participating just to finish aren't far apart.
2010-10-09 8:01 PM
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Okay, enough feeding the troll.

He'll get hungry and go else ware.

Let's let this thread die already (and sorry to the OP - talk about a hijack!)


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kath9dav - 2010-10-09 7:58 PM What is very, very sad is telling others how to parent. To me, sitting at home on the couch and simply participating just to finish aren't far apart.


So really, if your daughter loved something like soccer, had great fun, made great friends, left the field smiling after every game...but was the worst player on the team, you would tell her to just quit?

My daughter sucks at spelling. She barely passes the test every week despite studying every night. Guess I should tell her next Friday since she can't get a 100 she shouldn't even bother to pick up her pencil. Heck, maybe she should just drop out of school all together in 4th grade because she isn't top of her class?

And yeah, done with it. But I still think its very, very sad thing to teach young people about life.
2010-10-09 8:56 PM
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Don't get too worked up. He's been giving horrible advice all over this site on a number of topics. I've just stopped responding.


2010-10-09 10:12 PM
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If someone can pull off a 1:20 or so IM swim with little training and feel fresh go for it.  I swam alot leading up to IMKY and swam 1:11 and never really pushed or felt tired.  I did not start swimming until 2006 other than a kid so I was extremely happy.  But if I new I could have swam 1:20 and saved all those hours and $ at the pool and only finished the race 10minutes slower I would have done it.

2010-10-10 5:45 AM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do?
kproudfoot - 2010-10-09 10:12 PM

If someone can pull off a 1:20 or so IM swim with little training and feel fresh go for it.  I swam alot leading up to IMKY and swam 1:11 and never really pushed or felt tired.  I did not start swimming until 2006 other than a kid so I was extremely happy.  But if I new I could have swam 1:20 and saved all those hours and $ at the pool and only finished the race 10minutes slower I would have done it.



That's me!

Before IMLP, my last tri was 5430 in Boulder in August 2009. Between then and July 25, 2010 (the IMLP date), I swam a total of 5 times, including the one loop of the IMLP course I did a couple of days before the race. I finished the swim at Lake Placid in 1:21 and change. Of course, Placid is a notoriously fast swim venue. Probably couldn't do that at any other race, but I probably could do 1:30 on little training.

By way of comparison, in 2007 at IMMoo, swimming twice a week, I managed a 1:15.
2010-10-10 4:33 PM
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mademille - 2010-10-09 8:34 PM
kath9dav - 2010-10-09 7:58 PM What is very, very sad is telling others how to parent. To me, sitting at home on the couch and simply participating just to finish aren't far apart.


So really, if your daughter loved something like soccer, had great fun, made great friends, left the field smiling after every game...but was the worst player on the team, you would tell her to just quit?

My daughter sucks at spelling. She barely passes the test every week despite studying every night. Guess I should tell her next Friday since she can't get a 100 she shouldn't even bother to pick up her pencil. Heck, maybe she should just drop out of school all together in 4th grade because she isn't top of her class?

And yeah, done with it. But I still think its very, very sad thing to teach young people about life.


Thanks for continuing to tell me how to parent.  My kids are just fine in their sports, and they aren't quitters.
2010-10-11 10:04 AM
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tjfry - 2010-10-09 9:56 PM Don't get too worked up. He's been giving horrible advice all over this site on a number of topics. I've just stopped responding.


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SHLD2005 - 2010-10-11 10:04 AM
tjfry - 2010-10-09 9:56 PM Don't get too worked up. He's been giving horrible advice all over this site on a number of topics. I've just stopped responding.


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You may not like the swim advice but I have the numbers to back it up.


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Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do?
kath9dav - 2010-10-12 3:10 AM
SHLD2005 - 2010-10-11 10:04 AM
tjfry - 2010-10-09 9:56 PM Don't get too worked up. He's been giving horrible advice all over this site on a number of topics. I've just stopped responding.


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You may not like the swim advice but I have the numbers to back it up.


To be fair, your swim advice is excellent, and it's not just because I agree with you on most aspects (there's room for a number of "correct" but divergent opinions). However, this particular thread wasn't actually asking for swim advice.
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kath9dav - 2010-10-11 2:10 PM
SHLD2005 - 2010-10-11 10:04 AM
tjfry - 2010-10-09 9:56 PM Don't get too worked up. He's been giving horrible advice all over this site on a number of topics. I've just stopped responding.


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You may not like the swim advice but I have the numbers to back it up.


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