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2011-05-18 9:45 PM

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Subject: First 20 mph ride, errrrrrr maybe?

So today I was lucky enough to finally have my first 20 mph ride. Finally it happened, then I come home and log it in my training log and it calculates it to 19.98mph. Argh, almost there. I'm gonna round up, maybe, what do you guys think, my bike comp said 20 lol.

 

I guess I'll give some history to maybe inspire others, I started out last Jul on what I guess I would call a 13 yr break from tri's and a 11 yr break from cycling. Got out on the rode, first ride of 13 miles, thought I was gonna die, average like 14.5. Worked my way up to 18 mph then got my tri bike, instantly I was up to 19.7.

Now I guess I better through in a disclaimer too for all those wondering about the road bike to tri bike switch, I was riding a 1987 Giant steel roadie and I'd say while it's still a nice bike, about any bike was gonna be faster lol, but I'd say most of that 1.7 was from the switch, and some from less rolling resistance of not having a 24 year old drive train.

Anyway back on topic, never did get the 20 mph ride last year, 19.8 was my best if I recall correctly and I lost that one in the last mile into a head wind.

The one nice thing I can say about today is it was windy, not bad but 14 gusting to 24 per weather.com, so I took advantage when I could and hunkered down and tried to maintain into it.

Hoepfully I can go 20+ in my race in 10 days.



2011-05-18 9:58 PM
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How long was the ride?
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cstoulil - 2011-05-19 12:45 PM

So today I was lucky enough to finally have my first 20 mph ride. Finally it happened, then I come home and log it in my training log and it calculates it to 19.98mph. Argh, almost there. I'm gonna round up, maybe, what do you guys think, my bike comp said 20 lol.

 

I guess I'll give some history to maybe inspire others, I started out last Jul on what I guess I would call a 13 yr break from tri's and a 11 yr break from cycling. Got out on the rode, first ride of 13 miles, thought I was gonna die, average like 14.5. Worked my way up to 18 mph then got my tri bike, instantly I was up to 19.7.

Now I guess I better through in a disclaimer too for all those wondering about the road bike to tri bike switch, I was riding a 1987 Giant steel roadie and I'd say while it's still a nice bike, about any bike was gonna be faster lol, but I'd say most of that 1.7 was from the switch, and some from less rolling resistance of not having a 24 year old drive train.

Anyway back on topic, never did get the 20 mph ride last year, 19.8 was my best if I recall correctly and I lost that one in the last mile into a head wind.

The one nice thing I can say about today is it was windy, not bad but 14 gusting to 24 per weather.com, so I took advantage when I could and hunkered down and tried to maintain into it.

Hoepfully I can go 20+ in my race in 10 days.

 

This morning I did the upload from garmin thing and it put me at 17.99. Then I remembered that I'd auto started when I went back into the house to get the garage door closer so there was 10 seconds on the watch from that.

I knocked it off and well, what d'you know, 18.06.

A man's got to do what a man's got to do.

 

 

 

 

2011-05-19 1:10 AM
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jmot - 2011-05-18 9:58 PM How long was the ride?

Per the log, it was 11.54 miles.

 

Well done!

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So what's considered a respectable rate of speed on the bike?  I've never really ridden with people before so I have no idea what's considered fast, moderate or slow?
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wushunut - 2011-05-19 7:31 AM So what's considered a respectable rate of speed on the bike?  I've never really ridden with people before so I have no idea what's considered fast, moderate or slow?

I've been cycling less than a year, so I'll toss in my impression as a beginner then wait curiously to see what other folks say.  Here's my read on road bikes in normal weekend rides, NOT pros, and NOT a race:

Slow / Decent Beginner:  16mph

Decent / Intermediate:  18mph

Pretty Fast:  20mph

Elite:  22mph+



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wushunut - 2011-05-19 6:31 AM So what's considered a respectable rate of speed on the bike?  I've never really ridden with people before so I have no idea what's considered fast, moderate or slow?

I think it is partially dependent on the distance traveled, as in "I can maintain x-mph for 20 miles" or "I can maintain x-mph for 50 miles."  For me personally, those two numbers are quite different and further vary by course and conditions.

I've quit worry about speed on a training course (for the most part) and instead focus on wattage over the training session, interval, whatever.

That said, I agree with the above summation and kudos to the OP for his strong ride!

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wushunut - 2011-05-19 7:31 AM So what's considered a respectable rate of speed on the bike?  I've never really ridden with people before so I have no idea what's considered fast, moderate or slow?

I've been cycling less than a year, so I'll toss in my impression as a beginner then wait curiously to see what other folks say.  Here's my read on road bikes in normal weekend rides, NOT pros, and NOT a race:

Slow / Decent Beginner:  16mph

Decent / Intermediate:  18mph

Pretty Fast:  20mph

Elite:  22mph+

sweet, i'm elite.  I can do 22mph going down a hill easy

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wushunut - 2011-05-19 7:31 AM So what's considered a respectable rate of speed on the bike?  I've never really ridden with people before so I have no idea what's considered fast, moderate or slow?

I've been cycling less than a year, so I'll toss in my impression as a beginner then wait curiously to see what other folks say.  Here's my read on road bikes in normal weekend rides, NOT pros, and NOT a race:

Slow / Decent Beginner:  16mph

Decent / Intermediate:  18mph

Pretty Fast:  20mph

Elite:  22mph+

I think you'll find that your scale slides as you get faster.  I used to feel the same way, but now I'd add ~2-3mph for each of those categories.

2011-05-19 8:23 AM
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AndrewMT - 2011-05-19 8:11 AM
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wushunut - 2011-05-19 7:31 AM So what's considered a respectable rate of speed on the bike?  I've never really ridden with people before so I have no idea what's considered fast, moderate or slow?

I've been cycling less than a year, so I'll toss in my impression as a beginner then wait curiously to see what other folks say.  Here's my read on road bikes in normal weekend rides, NOT pros, and NOT a race:

Slow / Decent Beginner:  16mph

Decent / Intermediate:  18mph

Pretty Fast:  20mph

Elite:  22mph+

I think you'll find that your scale slides as you get faster.  I used to feel the same way, but now I'd add ~2-3mph for each of those categories.

 

Agreed.  I averaged almost 22 in a race last summer and I am no where near Elite :-)

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wushunut - 2011-05-19 7:31 AM So what's considered a respectable rate of speed on the bike?  I've never really ridden with people before so I have no idea what's considered fast, moderate or slow?

I've been cycling less than a year, so I'll toss in my impression as a beginner then wait curiously to see what other folks say.  Here's my read on road bikes in normal weekend rides, NOT pros, and NOT a race:

Slow / Decent Beginner:  16mph

Decent / Intermediate:  18mph

Pretty Fast:  20mph

Elite:  22mph+

I think you'll find that your scale slides as you get faster.  I used to feel the same way, but now I'd add ~2-3mph for each of those categories.

 

Agreed.  I averaged almost 22 in a race last summer and I am no where near Elite :-)

It's difficult to compare training rides and racing.  This is also a pointless discussion unless we define parameters (terrain, distance, group vs individual, etc.).

I rode a Time Trial last year and averaged 25mph for 40 km, and I'm no where near elite either.  I can't even draft of our teams elite riders during a weekend ride!

All that said, congrats to the OP!  The 20mph mark is fairly arbitrary, but I can remember feeling the same way about the first time I averaged a ride over 20mph.  Keep up the good work and keep riding!



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2011-05-19 8:27 AM
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So here's the next question then.

Given the same bike and rider and towards the upper end of the speed range, how much effort/time/training did it take you to get that extra 2-3mph?

As I stated, just a newb here but trying to get an idea of how much extra effort/time it's going to take me to improve.  I realize it's going to be different for every athlete and fitness level/talent/genes.

Looking for your n=1 experience.



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wushunut - 2011-05-19 7:31 AM So what's considered a respectable rate of speed on the bike?  I've never really ridden with people before so I have no idea what's considered fast, moderate or slow?

I've been cycling less than a year, so I'll toss in my impression as a beginner then wait curiously to see what other folks say.  Here's my read on road bikes in normal weekend rides, NOT pros, and NOT a race:

Slow / Decent Beginner:  16mph

Decent / Intermediate:  18mph

Pretty Fast:  20mph

Elite:  22mph+



I think that's a little low fore pretty fast and Elite. In my experience there is a big jump to those levels. Distance makes a difference too. I'm going to go with, for Oly distance and in a race:

beginner- 12-18
Intermediate- 18-22
Pretty fast 22-23
Elite- 24+

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wushunut - 2011-05-19 8:27 AM

So here's the next question then.

Given the same bike and rider and towards the upper end of the speed range, how much effort/time/training did it take you to get that extra 2-3mph?

As I stated, just a newb here but trying to get an idea of how much extra effort/time it's going to take me to improve.  I realize it's going to be different for every athlete and fitness level/talent/genes.

Looking for your n=1 experience.

As a fellow newb, I'm gonna go with "a lot"

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21-22 for most rides and it doesn't seem fast, i would say elites are 25+

24-25 requires serious power on the bike to maintain pace for 1 hr let alone for more then that. 

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wushunut - 2011-05-19 8:27 AM

So here's the next question then.

Given the same bike and rider and towards the upper end of the speed range, how much effort/time/training did it take you to get that extra 2-3mph?

As I stated, just a newb here but trying to get an idea of how much extra effort/time it's going to take me to improve.  I realize it's going to be different for every athlete and fitness level/talent/genes.

Looking for your n=1 experience.



Personally, I went from 18-19 to 21-22 in the course of a year with computrainer classes over the winter and tons of time in the saddle over the summer. My logs say almost 2000 miles and 26 hours but I'm missing 3-4 months of data in there. I did the even more computrainer classes this winter and am ramping up bike volume for an HIM as we speak. I'm not sure what my Oly speeds will be this year, as I have none planned right now. I'm hoping to extend that 21-22 to the HIM distance. I did a sprint last year at 23.6mph. I suspect I would probably do that in an Oly this season if I was in good form and had a good race. But as I improve there is definitely diminishing returns. I get less results per more time spent training.

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wushunut - 2011-05-19 8:27 AM

So here's the next question then.

Given the same bike and rider and towards the upper end of the speed range, how much effort/time/training did it take you to get that extra 2-3mph?

As I stated, just a newb here but trying to get an idea of how much extra effort/time it's going to take me to improve.  I realize it's going to be different for every athlete and fitness level/talent/genes.

Looking for your n=1 experience.

The faster you get, the more work you need to do to get even faster.  Going from 15-16mph to 18-19mph just takes some regular riding over a period of time.  Going from 18-19 to 21-22 takes some pretty focused training and decent time in the saddle.  From there, you really need to put in a lot of work if you want to continue to see improvements. 

You'll soon realize that speed is a horrible metric for tracking your improvements.  I train by power, and I can make big jumps in my FTP without neccessarily seeing big changes in my speed for weekend rides.  My hardest rides (intervals) can sometimes be my slowest. 

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wushunut - 2011-05-19 8:27 AM

So here's the next question then.

Given the same bike and rider and towards the upper end of the speed range, how much effort/time/training did it take you to get that extra 2-3mph?

As I stated, just a newb here but trying to get an idea of how much extra effort/time it's going to take me to improve.  I realize it's going to be different for every athlete and fitness level/talent/genes.

Looking for your n=1 experience.

varies like you said.  you have plenty of room looking at your logs.

most fast people on this site will ride around 450-600 miles per month.  unless you have some amazing genetics the formula is quite simple....time in saddle.  one difference i have learned though that cycling is similar to swimming, it terms of impact and recovery meaning its low and fast. 

therefore its easy to have 4 days of cycling per week and ride hard each day.  it is VERY VERY rare that you will find in my logs I rode less then 75% of my threshold.  if that happens its prior to a race or maybe after a big race.

this year i rode much less versus last year and saw great benefits my months were between 400-450 miles opposed to 500-550 miles.  but rest assured every mile was ridden with a purpose.

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congrats to the op on breaking 2-0. if you did it in training, the race should be in the bag! i remember my first race over 20 mph, i was stoked!
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wushunut - 2011-05-19 8:27 AM

So here's the next question then.

Given the same bike and rider and towards the upper end of the speed range, how much effort/time/training did it take you to get that extra 2-3mph?

As I stated, just a newb here but trying to get an idea of how much extra effort/time it's going to take me to improve.  I realize it's going to be different for every athlete and fitness level/talent/genes.

Looking for your n=1 experience.

varies like you said.  you have plenty of room looking at your logs.

most fast people on this site will ride around 450-600 miles per month.  unless you have some amazing genetics the formula is quite simple....time in saddle.  one difference i have learned though that cycling is similar to swimming, it terms of impact and recovery meaning its low and fast. 

therefore its easy to have 4 days of cycling per week and ride hard each day.  it is VERY VERY rare that you will find in my logs I rode less then 75% of my threshold.  if that happens its prior to a race or maybe after a big race.

this year i rode much less versus last year and saw great benefits my months were between 400-450 miles opposed to 500-550 miles.  but rest assured every mile was ridden with a purpose.



I totally agree with this if you are ONLY cycling as a newb. This season will be my 2nd year of tri's and 4th year of cycling/mtb'ing. I think more than 2 hard days/week is hard to recover from and get good progress in the other 2 disciplines. I guess it does depend how much time you have though. When I was a new cyclist, 1 hard day a week was plenty to produce big gains. IMO any more was a waste. I added more as my work/reward ratio dimished. Right now I'm doing 2 hard days and occassionally 3. Even then, like this week for me, a REALLY hard bike will make a recovery run the next day feel "laborous". Maybe enough so to ruin progress from the cycling the day before.

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You'll soon realize that speed is a horrible metric for tracking your improvements.  I train by power, and I can make big jumps in my FTP without neccessarily seeing big changes in my speed for weekend rides.  My hardest rides (intervals) can sometimes be my slowest. 

 

so true....i had done some 110% ftp intervals and thought my PM was broken when i looked at the speed.  course matters alot and conditions.

but end of day on race day hard work does pay off.



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Frustrating, I've been there before as well.  I've been chasing 20 mph over 20 miles for years now and I've gotten to 19.8 several times.   I'm pretty sure it will go down this year, since my Tri bike is temporarily shelved and I'm getting in the 19's with my roadie.  My biggest problem is that I've been a seasonal cyclist, and haven't put in the consistent miles over time, either due to injury or not wanting to ride in the cold.

The numbers game is a funny thing, there are days when I feel strong and go slow, and feel weak and go fast.  Half my speed is reliant on the winds (which unfortunately is prevalent here).

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AndrewMT - 2011-05-19 8:11 AM
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wushunut - 2011-05-19 7:31 AM So what's considered a respectable rate of speed on the bike?  I've never really ridden with people before so I have no idea what's considered fast, moderate or slow?

I've been cycling less than a year, so I'll toss in my impression as a beginner then wait curiously to see what other folks say.  Here's my read on road bikes in normal weekend rides, NOT pros, and NOT a race:

Slow / Decent Beginner:  16mph

Decent / Intermediate:  18mph

Pretty Fast:  20mph

Elite:  22mph+

I think you'll find that your scale slides as you get faster.  I used to feel the same way, but now I'd add ~2-3mph for each of those categories.

Agreed.  Last year I struggled to break 20mph for a bike split, and now I'm working to break an hour for the 40K, which will take quite a bit longer...

Everything is relative.

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msteiner - 2011-05-19 10:45 AM
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wushunut - 2011-05-19 7:31 AM So what's considered a respectable rate of speed on the bike?  I've never really ridden with people before so I have no idea what's considered fast, moderate or slow?

I've been cycling less than a year, so I'll toss in my impression as a beginner then wait curiously to see what other folks say.  Here's my read on road bikes in normal weekend rides, NOT pros, and NOT a race:

Slow / Decent Beginner:  16mph

Decent / Intermediate:  18mph

Pretty Fast:  20mph

Elite:  22mph+

I think you'll find that your scale slides as you get faster.  I used to feel the same way, but now I'd add ~2-3mph for each of those categories.

Agreed.  Last year I struggled to break 20mph for a bike split, and now I'm working to break an hour for the 40K, which will take quite a bit longer...

Everything is relative.

Agreed, I finally hit 20 for 15 miles a few weeks ago but I think the grouping listed is a bit low. At my sprint over the weekend I managed 19.8 for 13 miles.  I was 5th out 7 on the bike and firmly MOP overall.  So I would say that 20mph is intermediate and 21 is nearing pretty fast.  I would have had to do 23 to be 1st in my AG on the bike.

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GaryRM - 2011-05-19 10:54 AM

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wushunut - 2011-05-19 7:31 AM So what's considered a respectable rate of speed on the bike?  I've never really ridden with people before so I have no idea what's considered fast, moderate or slow?

I've been cycling less than a year, so I'll toss in my impression as a beginner then wait curiously to see what other folks say.  Here's my read on road bikes in normal weekend rides, NOT pros, and NOT a race:

Slow / Decent Beginner:  16mph

Decent / Intermediate:  18mph

Pretty Fast:  20mph

Elite:  22mph+

I think you'll find that your scale slides as you get faster.  I used to feel the same way, but now I'd add ~2-3mph for each of those categories.

Agreed.  Last year I struggled to break 20mph for a bike split, and now I'm working to break an hour for the 40K, which will take quite a bit longer...

Everything is relative.

Agreed, I finally hit 20 for 15 miles a few weeks ago but I think the grouping listed is a bit low. At my sprint over the weekend I managed 19.8 for 13 miles.  I was 5th out 7 on the bike and firmly MOP overall.  So I would say that 20mph is intermediate and 21 is nearing pretty fast.  I would have had to do 23 to be 1st in my AG on the bike.



I did 23.6 last year at a sprint and wasn't near 1st in my AG. It really depends on the race, who's there, and the profile of the bike leg
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