20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter
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2012-01-24 8:30 AM |
Veteran 204 Massapequa, NY | Subject: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter Just had a quarq power meter installed (it is my first 3 days of training with power). My coach has me scheduled for a 20 minute "all-out" time trial as a test, which i assume is to establish some zones and LT. Just wondering if anyone has any advice as to what gears to be in?...how hard i shoud be going in the beginning, middle, end? Should i stand and mash the pedals at all? stay aero? I'll be doing this indoors on a trainer I know, ask your coach is the answer. I have a call into him but will not likely hear back from him until day's end (he is a schoolteacher), and I'm very curious and always appreciative of the knowledge on this site. Any advice is welcome! Thanks! Dave
Edited by Dlyon 2012-01-24 8:36 AM |
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2012-01-24 8:40 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
Master 2638 | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter Just pedal at whatever cadence is comfortable to you. I don't think there is a "wrong" way to do this test so long as you are bringing it the whole 20 minutes. And, if you go too hard or too easy on this test, your coach can easily move your numbers up or down accordingly. You will test again in a month anyway so you can true-up then. Edited to add that I do not stand on the trainer - too wobbly. I did my whole test in aero, except for sitting up to drink or stretch my back but I don't think that matters. I would not mash because you won't be able to hold a steady watts for the whole test that way. Edited by Mrs. brown_dog_us 2012-01-24 8:43 AM |
2012-01-24 8:40 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter When are you scheduled to do the test? I would do some rides beforehand to get an idea of what power you think you can hold for 20 mins. |
2012-01-24 8:57 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
Veteran 204 Massapequa, NY | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter Thank you. I am scheduled to test today. ideally I would have done this morning, but have to do later on...trying to be as fresh as possible. I've been riding for quite some time, but only recently has my every move been monitored by a coach. If i can handle the big ring for 20 minutes hard, do i do that? or do i go small ring and higher cadence with the same effort? or is that a contradiction? is it better to concentrate on a sustained and efficient pedal stroke than trying to push the wattage higher? I was actually thinking of putting a piece of tape on my 310xt over the wattage so I dont get caught up in the results. |
2012-01-24 9:01 AM in reply to: #4007709 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter Ride however you will normally ride to produce the highest power you can sustain for 20 mins. For some people, that's a lower cadence, for others it's a higher cadence. For me, I tend to be around the high 80s to low 90s. My wife tends to be high 70s to low 80s. Everyone is different. |
2012-01-24 9:05 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
Master 2460 | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter It's not as straightforward as it sounds. It will often take more than one try to get the pacing down, although I probably wouldn't retest it right away unless you're seeing a huge dropoff in speed at the end (which meant you went out too hard.)
As you train more and get stronger, you will more accurately be able to hold a consistent pace. |
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2012-01-24 9:10 AM in reply to: #4007746 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter agarose2000 - 2012-01-24 10:05 AM It's not as straightforward as it sounds. It will often take more than one try to get the pacing down, although I probably wouldn't retest it right away unless you're seeing a huge dropoff in speed at the end (which meant you went out too hard.)
As you train more and get stronger, you will more accurately be able to hold a consistent pace. Yes, but it will always be brutal and leave you feeling completely spent. But I do agree that a few rides beforehand are necessary to give you a better idea of how to pace, gearing, etc. I think if you stand, mash, etc. your power will be inconsistent. But I have yet to figure out how to stand on the trainer and hold power, so others might have a different opinion. Edited by BrianRunsPhilly 2012-01-24 9:12 AM |
2012-01-24 9:18 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
Master 3022 | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter I assume there is a 20 minute warmup or so with some intensity sprinkled in? I've done a number of these 20 minute all out efforts due to the Jorge Cycling Plan and they are tough. It took a while for me to get the hang of not going out too strong. Goal should be an even pace throughout the 20 min all out effort. I change position and gears during my tests but try to keep speed/power even. Will your coach also have you do a 5 min all out effort as well? Those hurt even more IMO. |
2012-01-24 9:35 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
Veteran 204 Massapequa, NY | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter thanks again everyone. very helpful so far. here is the exact text of the scheduled test from my TrainingPeaks calendar: WU: Ride 10 mins @ Z2 (endurance) effort. Then complete 3x1 min 100+ rpm with 1 min EZ recovery between.
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2012-01-24 9:37 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
Master 3058 South Alabama | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter I try to shift up or down a gear every couple of minutes just to mix things up with the cadence a bit. Small changes but it keeps it, for lack of a better word, interesting. What may feel "easy" at 2 minutes can be brutal at 18-19. Start off a little easier than what you think you can maintain and build over those first few minutes. Then steady. Over the last 2-3 minutes leave it out there. At 19:30 you should be leaking bodily fluids from at least 2 openings! Your choice on the openings....or maybe not? Randy |
2012-01-24 9:37 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter These are tough and honestly, it does take a few times to figure out how to do them, unless you have done TT's, then you know exactly what to expect. Most common mistake is to go out too hard and not being able to hold the power towards the end. With that said, also don't be too conservative in the beginning. The first 10 minutes will be hard, but not feel impossible, the next 5 minutes will be very tough and you will start to wonder if you can really do this and the last 5 minutes is where mental strength kicks in... just keep concentrating on holding the power and keeping the cadence where you want it to be. |
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2012-01-24 9:43 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
Veteran 204 Massapequa, NY | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter really solid advice...i'm sure my first will be less than ideal. should i pay any attention to the wattage whatsoever during the TT, or pay attention keeping a more consistent cadence? (in whatever gear)...would they correlate? |
2012-01-24 9:57 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
New user 31 Branford | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter They are tough, as far as what gear to be in. The program at our training center tells you up front not to bother changing gears as the trainer will adjust the resistance to be constant. I do stand for short bursts only to change positions and flush the legs for a moment. |
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2012-01-24 10:13 AM in reply to: #4007873 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter Dlyon - 2012-01-24 10:43 AM really solid advice...i'm sure my first will be less than ideal. should i pay any attention to the wattage whatsoever during the TT, or pay attention keeping a more consistent cadence? (in whatever gear)...would they correlate?
Pick something other than your watch, and focus on it. Personally I focus on my watts, but I could understand if someone didn't like that idea.
I've found it also helps if I set an alarm for 20' after I start, and then just never look at the time. Thinking "God this sucks but it's almost over" then looking down and seeing you've got 8 or 9 minutes left is VERY disheartening. |
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2012-01-24 10:17 AM in reply to: #4007940 |
Veteran 204 Massapequa, NY | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter Fred D - 2012-01-24 11:03 AM Dlyon - 2012-01-24 10:35 AM That's a different protocol than Coggan's book I believe. I'm pretty sure just before the 20' TT that there is a 5' effort at >106% then 10' at 65%' THEN the 20' TT. What were your numbers?have not read read the Coggan book yet; just going with Coach's plan for now. trying not to overload my brain with analytics and putting trust in my coach. He's a 9-time IM with a PR of 9:30, so I do believe I am in good hands. I am planning to do this later today. I will happily post the results here for critique when i am finished. i'm sure it'll be ugly, but i really do appreciate the help. it's alot to digest.
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2012-01-24 10:19 AM in reply to: #4007981 |
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2012-01-24 10:21 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
Veteran 204 Massapequa, NY | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter LOL...ok at what FTP should i decide to forego posting my results? I dont want to lose a Pi$$ing contest before it starts! |
2012-01-24 10:22 AM in reply to: #4008002 |
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2012-01-24 10:25 AM in reply to: #4008002 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter Dlyon - 2012-01-24 11:21 AM LOL...ok at what FTP should i decide to forego posting my results? I dont want to lose a Pi$$ing contest before it starts!
Don't worry, having a low ftp just let's you talk a lot of smack when you crush people that are less aero and have higher ftps |
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2012-01-24 10:27 AM in reply to: #4007873 |
Extreme Veteran 645 Media, PA | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter Dlyon - 2012-01-24 10:43 AM really solid advice...i'm sure my first will be less than ideal. should i pay any attention to the wattage whatsoever during the TT, or pay attention keeping a more consistent cadence? (in whatever gear)...would they correlate? That's the beauty of power; it's (cadence)x(torque), so both the gear you're in and your cadence are factors, and changing either will affect power. But you can keep the same power by slowing down and shifting to a bigger gear, and vice versa. I've wondered if I'm affecting the results by looking at power when I'm doing a test; if I know what my current power is, I might think it's too high or too low. So I might try minimizing the window for the next test when I get into the 20 minute section. FWIW, I'm using Trainer Road with KK road machine, first time playing with power this winter. |
2012-01-24 10:32 AM in reply to: #4007625 |
Veteran 204 Massapequa, NY | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter i guess i should finally break down and start shaving my legs now too. ;-) |
2012-01-24 10:32 AM in reply to: #4008016 |
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2012-01-24 11:44 AM in reply to: #4007990 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: 20 minute Time Trial with Power Meter Fred D - 2012-01-24 11:19 AM Dlyon - 2012-01-24 11:17 AM Yeah stick with what coach says. Let us know how it goes, the tests aren't fun, but the info is really useful afterwards. FTP is also a fun stat for pi$$ing contests lol.Fred D - 2012-01-24 11:03 AM Dlyon - 2012-01-24 10:35 AM That's a different protocol than Coggan's book I believe. I'm pretty sure just before the 20' TT that there is a 5' effort at >106% then 10' at 65%' THEN the 20' TT. What were your numbers?have not read read the Coggan book yet; just going with Coach's plan for now. trying not to overload my brain with analytics and putting trust in my coach. He's a 9-time IM with a PR of 9:30, so I do believe I am in good hands. I am planning to do this later today. I will happily post the results here for critique when i am finished. i'm sure it'll be ugly, but i really do appreciate the help. it's alot to digest.
Us smaller guys prefer to look at watts/kg. FTP by itself is utterly depressing. |
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