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2012-05-21 6:25 PM
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Fred D - 2012-05-21 1:06 PM
scm724 - 2012-05-21 3:25 PM>Would i recommend it to a beginner?  no.  Would i tell a beginner that has minimal training to go ahead and go for it, see what they are made of and do it?  Yes! absolutely. 
. I think I am confused as there seems to be something of a contradiction here? Please anyone here help me as this doesn't compute for me. Is he recommending this for a beginner or not?

No he did not recommending it for a beginner, but if someone is new to the sport and want's to give it a go with little or no training then he want's to assure them it's OK,,,,,, did I clear that up for ya ?

After I read the op, it made me think of the Green Bay Marathon, they had to cancel mid race due to so many people seeking EMT service with the weather being over 85.

While the OP was successful, some subscribing to his training plan will be putting their and others lives in danger, imo.

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2012-05-21 6:43 PM
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ironultrared - 2012-05-21 4:43 PM

Threads like this make me sad. In my opinion (and this is JUST my opinion), not training, sacrificing, and truly putting in the hours devalues the accomplishment. I'm glad (to the OP) that you made it across the finish line. But I really don't think it means as much when 'life gets in the way' and you do training at your convenience. I have a job, I'm the primary caretaker of my kids, I'm a wife, and I have a house to run. Almost everyone in here, yourself included, can probably say something similar. Most of us had to work pretty hard to make training work out somehow. And it kind of sickens me, when I think of the people that did struggle to get training in, then dnf'd because they got sick, hurt, or something went wrong. I am glad that you made it across the finish line, and I'm glad that you're still alive to post on here. I'm sorry if you get offended by my post. But I think you may have missed the point of the Ironman.


I very much appreciate the passion and conviction of your post. Truly, I mean that with the utmost sincerity.

But at the end of the day, an Ironman is just a race and how one chooses to accomplish finishing that race is really entirely dependent on them. We can respect those that train hard to do the best they can but should we judge those who take a different path? What you consider the "point" of an Ironman is yours and yours alone.
2012-05-21 6:44 PM
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crusevegas - 2012-05-21 6:25 PM

Fred D - 2012-05-21 1:06 PM
scm724 - 2012-05-21 3:25 PM>Would i recommend it to a beginner?  no.  Would i tell a beginner that has minimal training to go ahead and go for it, see what they are made of and do it?  Yes! absolutely. 
. I think I am confused as there seems to be something of a contradiction here? Please anyone here help me as this doesn't compute for me. Is he recommending this for a beginner or not?

No he did not recommending it for a beginner, but if someone is new to the sport and want's to give it a go with little or no training then he want's to assure them it's OK,,,,,, did I clear that up for ya ?

After I read the op, it made me think of the Green Bay Marathon, they had to cancel mid race due to so many people seeking EMT service with the weather being over 85.

While the OP was successful, some subscribing to his training plan will be putting their and others lives in danger, imo.

This is exactly what I was thinking when I read the OP.

 

2012-05-21 6:52 PM
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wannabefaster - 2012-05-21 7:11 PM I commend you for finishing a full IM on the minimalist training plan. This has to take some serious mental fortitude on race day (but not on training days, obviously). I am going to make one snarky comment about your race report. It is funny that you are upset you could not leave your shoes clipped in on your bike so you could save 15-20 seconds at the beginning of a ride that is going to take you 7 + hours. I guess every second counts and if you had finished at 17:00:10 then it really would have made a difference. Anyways, congratulations again. You are indeed an IronMan.

Wannabefaster, nice job on the snarky.

+1 to the OP, congratulations, you are an Ironman.  Got the medal and the t-shirt.

OP, You're not as fit as you could be, nor as fit as most Ironman finishers.  In my opinion you kinda missed the point.  Getting into really good shape, like the best shape of your life, like even better than in high school, and enjoying living that way for a year, or more, is the point.  The race is the celebration.  The medal, the t-shirt are the acknowledgement.  

Accomplishing the discipline to get in shape, and

rallying the support of your friends and family, and

enjoying knowing you can jump into any 10k or century ride this weekend at the last minute and it's no big deal, and

being a hero to your kids and people who've known you for a long time and have seen the change in your physique and your attitude,

that kind of stuff is the real prize.

OP, I suggest you do another IM, after finishing a 6 month, 8 to 12 hours a week "minimal" training program.  And see if you can tell any difference.



2012-05-21 7:02 PM
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Baowolf - 2012-05-21 3:17 PM

....................................... Just can't agree with that mentality.  Having kids is a really important reason to not do an IM on no training.  So they still have a dad the next day. 

With all due respect, aren't more people killed each year training for an IM than have died while racing in one? 

(Yes I was on the fence on whether to put it in red font)

Touche.  You have a point.

2012-05-21 7:09 PM
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I didn't realize till today that there was a predefined "point" of doing an Ironman.

2012-05-21 7:15 PM
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ZenMaster - 2012-05-21 5:06 PM

It kinda sounds like some people are devaluing the OP's finish. I could be wrong, but I do get that impression a little bit.

I doubt I'd make it through on that training load, but we're all different.

Hell of a job, OP, ignore the noise.

and experiencing an existential crisis at the same time. 

whether the OP trained 3 hrs per week or 30 hrs per week means nothing to how i approach training, racing, and what i get out of the sport.

2012-05-21 7:17 PM
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tri808 - 2012-05-21 8:09 PM

I didn't realize till today that there was a predefined "point" of doing an Ironman.

Not a point, but "the" point.

 

 

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2012-05-21 7:37 PM
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if you finish a ironman in 8 or 17hrs you are a ironman it doesnt matter if you train for 5hrs or 30hrs a week . it doesnt make you smart if you train for 5hrs or better if you train for 30hrs. just train as much as you want and have fun
2012-05-21 7:49 PM
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If that's the OP's thing, then good for him.

I don't really get it, because I don't like to go into anything without training and preparation.

2012-05-21 7:54 PM
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tri808 - 2012-05-22 2:09 PM

I didn't realize till today that there was a predefined "point" of doing an Ironman.

exactly

2012-05-21 7:55 PM
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Fred D - 2012-05-21 2:20 PM
Bunsbert Montcroff - 2012-05-21 8:15 PM
ZenMaster - 2012-05-21 5:06 PM

It kinda sounds like some people are devaluing the OP's finish. I could be wrong, but I do get that impression a little bit.

I doubt I'd make it through on that training load, but we're all different.

Hell of a job, OP, ignore the noise.

and experiencing an existential crisis at the same time. 

whether the OP trained 3 hrs per week or 30 hrs per week means nothing to how i approach training, racing, and what i get out of the sport.

. Yeah but it's the internets and threads like the OPs are actually very common on this site (but not as common as threads stating you MUST do 15-20 hours of training to finish an IM apparently). It leads to an almost predictable pattern of outrage, disgust, and then disgust at tose who show disgust. I've been here almost 6 years and I could care less what others do in their IM training. I still find threads like this pretty entertaining though.... Maybe that makes me a bad person lol.

No...it just means you're injured...

2012-05-21 7:56 PM
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bryancd - 2012-05-21 6:43 PMBut at the end of the day, an Ironman is just a race...
I agree with you. To anyone who was offended by my post - it was just my opinion. I'm sorry if you were offended.


2012-05-21 8:19 PM
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I do owe the OP a slight apology and certainly did not mean to devalue the achievement that is finishing an Ironman. I also better understand the point of the thread - so congratulations and I hear what you're saying.

Having said that, finishing (by your own admission) within a flat tire or bathroom break of not doing so and requiring an IV to replenish fluids at the end of the race does not make your level of training a good idea for most people aiming to finish an Ironman - anyone with less athletic talent would not have made the cut off.

You also said your logs are up to date and that you included races, but there is a HIM and a 180 mile bike race in April, requiring 236 miles of cycling (assuming you completed both races). The log total is 112 for April, so something is missing. Its a minor point, but it does call into question the accuracy of the rest the logs. It wouldn't matter had you not held them up as an example.

In all sincerity - congratulations on finishing and I apologize for misunderstanding the point of the thread!

2012-05-21 8:28 PM
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Fred D - 2012-05-21 7:28 PM

Additionally, according to gvey (the bolded comment refers to the "it is necessary to train 15020 hrs a week to complete an IM)

If you have never seen posts about what you have bolded, I'm amazed. I'll see if I can find some threads and get back to you

 He definitely will get you those links. It's pretty eye-opening actually.

OK, then I'm all ears/eyes.  I read most posts that seem to have something to do with training -- I confess I do not recall having seen this statement made once.  I guess I'm reading-comprehension-challenged.



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2012-05-21 8:39 PM
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ironultrared - 2012-05-21 6:56 PM

bryancd - 2012-05-21 6:43 PMBut at the end of the day, an Ironman is just a race...
I agree with you. To anyone who was offended by my post - it was just my opinion. I'm sorry if you were offended.


Not offended, no in the least. It's just at then end of the day we all have our own motivation and goals and there is not right or wrong. My life became so much simpler when I stopped giving a crap.
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Fred D - 2012-05-21 9:36 PM
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Fred D - 2012-05-21 7:28 PM

Additionally, according to gvey (the bolded comment refers to the "it is necessary to train 15020 hrs a week to complete an IM)

If you have never seen posts about what you have bolded, I'm amazed. I'll see if I can find some threads and get back to you

 He definitely will get you those links. It's pretty eye-opening actually.

OK, then I'm all ears/eyes.  I read most posts that seem to have something to do with training -- I confess I do not recall having seen this statement made once.  I guess I'm reading-comprehension-challenged.

I'm sorry Michael, should have been using the Sarc font for much of this thread. I've never ever heard that here except from gvey in this thread. His pm to me did not have links in it, rather other 'less appropriate' stuff. I won't disclose that, but suffice to say there are no links to threads that are constantly showing up discussing the 15-20 hr a week minimum average to complete an IM. Should have used the red font....

I did wonder...



2012-05-21 8:41 PM
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Ah...that makes sense now...because I would imagine those threads would get really interesting.

2012-05-21 8:42 PM
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thank you to all those who congratulate me.  that is not what i was seeking nor the point of this post.  as stated earlier it was simply to give that person having doubt about there self due to lack of training to go ahead and do it!  it can be done!  

 

To all those that said i missed the point and endanger my life or others.....what if i told you that even in spite of my lack of training an Ironman is not in the top 5 toughest races i have FINISHED!!!  No disrespect to those that have done the ironman it is a great race, very challenging.  i will most likely do it again and defiantly train better, smater, more.  But if you are feeling like you are a bad A because you can finish an ironman, and you are in the best shape of your life....  Give "Texas Water Safari" a try.    

in all seriousness i would compare the ironman to the first 20 miles or so of this race.  Of which i have entered and completed 5 times!

I am not trying to prop another race, nor tear down the other race.  after all they are just races!  there are more important things in life.  family, friends, health. 

i simply want to give encouragement to the next guy that is having doubt.  so if that is you...  You can do it.  it will be tough and you will get sick and tired and in pain, but you can do it!  Find something positive and focus on that.  We all have fears and doubt but you can do it.  Courage is not the absence of fear it is proceeding in spite of fear!

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