Why the sudden hate for LiveStrong?
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm seeing something that kind of disturbs me lately regarding LiveStrong and Lance, especially with the latest news of Lance stepping down from the leadership role at LiveStrong. Why the sudden hate for LiveStrong? I've seen at least two references here on BT to giving money to the American Cancer Society instead. Think what you want of Lance, but why the sudden hate for LiveStrong? Edited by briderdt 2012-10-17 2:41 PM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Guilt by association. Livestrong is Lance, Lance is Livestrong.
Now, I don't feel that way - I have no animosity toward either one of them.... but, Lance built Livestrong and the petty side of human nature dictates that it will go down just as he is. |
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![]() If I was simply donating money, I have no problem if the money went to Livestrong. It's still a good cause. However, I would not buy a Livestrong product like a shirt. I wouldn't wear it. If the shirt costs $25 and $5 goes to Livestrong, then I rather just give $5 to Livestrong and forgo the shirt. |
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![]() | ![]() That's it! I'm going to go to Mellow Johnny's and buy the full LiveStrong kit! That should offset the people changing their donations to the American Cancer Society since it'll cost big $$$. LiveStrong may take a dip, but I think it'll stay around and keep doing good things. Maybe ACS is behind the USADA behavior... (Tinfoil hat ON!) Edited by GomesBolt 2012-10-17 3:04 PM |
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Resident Curmudgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tri808 - 2012-10-17 2:55 PM If I was simply donating money, I have no problem if the money went to Livestrong. It's still a good cause. However, I would not buy a Livestrong product like a shirt. I wouldn't wear it. If the shirt costs $25 and $5 goes to Livestrong, then I rather just give $5 to Livestrong and forgo the shirt. You're in the minority here. I agree with your sentiment, but most people are more conducive to donating when they get something tangible in return. Watch a fundraising drive for your public television station if you have any doubt. I would opine that your ratio is a bit distorted as well. More likely the shirt costs you $25 and $20 goes to Livestrong. Many charities raise money this way, many more would as well if they could be as successful at it as Livestrong. |
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![]() Here is an article talking about LS and LA, I have no strong feelings one way or the other. I knew LS hadn't been donating money to Cancer Research but there are a lot of other ways I thought that they helped those with cancer and other cancer related matters. Most not for profits have to file and meet some specific IRS guidelines I believe. I find it all a little troubling and not quite sure why. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Dude. The finishers shirts at Superfrog said "Livestrong" across the front, and then had the race & sponsor logos in tiny pictures on the back. Huge bummer for anyone doing it as their first 70.3, or anyone that just likes their race shirts. I did not like that they did that - but I'm assuming they donated the shirts and saved the RD from having to buy any. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() crusevegas - 2012-10-17 5:03 PM Here is an article talking about LS and LA, I have no strong feelings one way or the other. I knew LS hadn't been donating money to Cancer Research but there are a lot of other ways I thought that they helped those with cancer and other cancer related matters. Most not for profits have to file and meet some specific IRS guidelines I believe. I find it all a little troubling and not quite sure why. Livestrong is a 501(c)(3). You can view the financial statements on their website. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() There are numerous cancer related charities with similar missions. Komen, stand up 2 cancer, ACS, v-foundation and numerous locals. Frankly, Livestrong is a parallel mission to most of those. Unfortunately, Livestrong has hitched it's wagon exclusively to what now is a tainted frontman. This frontman's image was their differentiator. Livestong's loss will be their gains. They'll have to be reducing budget as incoming donations will dwindle significantly as LA's popularity wanes precipitously. Edited by pitt83 2012-10-17 5:46 PM |
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() I cut and pasted this from the other thread only because it strike close to home (with one correction). Not sure why there has to be haters for a good organization. Those who are badmouthing Livestong, have you actually DEALT with cancer and Livestrong? Or is just some organization with the yellow bracelettes and merchandise to you? When I was diagnosed with cancer last year I was lost. My family doctor didn't know the answers to my questions and passed me along. Do you talk to an oncologist? Surgeon? Endocronolgist? WHO? They all passed the buck just to focus on their little part of the process. Do you talk to all of them? Who do you see first? What about insurance? Available options? I can't tell you how many quesitons there are on top of the stress of just having cancer. I searched the internet and all you get is crap and horror stories about people who died or all the worst case scenarios. Nothing about the process or even the first step to getting cured. I called all the "help lines" from cancer institues and even the ACS. They were WORTHLESS and NO help... But I called/signed up with Livestrong. Withing a WEEK, they sent me a giant package of materials to help track my treatment and recovery. Provided tons of resources and people to contact. A journal to help with my journey to recovery and yes, the yellow bracelette. A couple days later, I was assigned a personal "assistant" to assist in my case via email and they contacted me to check on me and see if they could provide additional help or answer any more questions. I got NOTHING like that from any other resource. The reason Livestrong does that, is because Lance went through the same questions and found zero answers without a lot of work on his own and didn't want other cancer patients to go through that same thing - a void of information. I will tell ANYONE to go to Livestrong if they are looking for support and help. If anyone wants to try and tear down a wonderful organization just because it's founder used PHD's in the PHD era? I'm not listening. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Kido - 2012-10-17 7:13 PM I cut and pasted this from the other thread only because it strike close to home (with one correction). Not sure why there has to be haters for a good organization. Those who are badmouthing Livestong, have you actually DEALT with cancer and Livestrong? Or is just some organization with the yellow bracelettes and merchandise to you? When I was diagnosed with cancer last year I was lost. My family doctor didn't know the answers to my questions and passed me along. Do you talk to an oncologist? Surgeon? Endocronolgist? WHO? They all passed the buck just to focus on their little part of the process. Do you talk to all of them? Who do you see first? What about insurance? Available options? I can't tell you how many quesitons there are on top of the stress of just having cancer. I searched the internet and all you get is crap and horror stories about people who died or all the worst case scenarios. Nothing about the process or even the first step to getting cured. I called all the "help lines" from cancer institues and even the ACS. They were WORTHLESS and NO help... But I called/signed up with Livestrong. Withing a WEEK, they sent me a giant package of materials to help track my treatment and recovery. Provided tons of resources and people to contact. A journal to help with my journey to recovery and yes, the yellow bracelette. A couple days later, I was assigned a personal "assistant" to assist in my case via email and they contacted me to check on me and see if they could provide additional help or answer any more questions. I got NOTHING like that from any other resource. The reason Livestrong does that, is because Lance went through the same questions and found zero answers without a lot of work on his own and didn't want other cancer patients to go through that same thing - a void of information. I will tell ANYONE to go to Livestrong if they are looking for support and help. If anyone wants to try and tear down a wonderful organization just because it's founder used PHD's in the PHD era? I'm not listening. Thanks for showing what it's all about. Bravo. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tri42 - 2012-10-17 6:16 PM Kido - 2012-10-17 7:13 PM Thanks for showing what it's all about. Bravo.Yes, thanks for the first-hand experience, Kido--awesome. Makes me want to donate. Hope all is well. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Kido - 2012-10-18 9:13 AM I cut and pasted this from the other thread only because it strike close to home (with one correction). Not sure why there has to be haters for a good organization. Those who are badmouthing Livestong, have you actually DEALT with cancer and Livestrong? Or is just some organization with the yellow bracelettes and merchandise to you? When I was diagnosed with cancer last year I was lost. My family doctor didn't know the answers to my questions and passed me along. Do you talk to an oncologist? Surgeon? Endocronolgist? WHO? They all passed the buck just to focus on their little part of the process. Do you talk to all of them? Who do you see first? What about insurance? Available options? I can't tell you how many quesitons there are on top of the stress of just having cancer. I searched the internet and all you get is crap and horror stories about people who died or all the worst case scenarios. Nothing about the process or even the first step to getting cured. I called all the "help lines" from cancer institues and even the ACS. They were WORTHLESS and NO help... But I called/signed up with Livestrong. Withing a WEEK, they sent me a giant package of materials to help track my treatment and recovery. Provided tons of resources and people to contact. A journal to help with my journey to recovery and yes, the yellow bracelette. A couple days later, I was assigned a personal "assistant" to assist in my case via email and they contacted me to check on me and see if they could provide additional help or answer any more questions. I got NOTHING like that from any other resource. The reason Livestrong does that, is because Lance went through the same questions and found zero answers without a lot of work on his own and didn't want other cancer patients to go through that same thing - a void of information. I will tell ANYONE to go to Livestrong if they are looking for support and help. If anyone wants to try and tear down a wonderful organization just because it's founder used PHD's in the PHD era? I'm not listening. I wanted to cut and paste this too - shows what it's all about. Unfortunately all that anyone wants now is to see him fall - which is why he's stepping back at Livestrong, give it a chance to survive without him dragging it down with him. Everything I've read about people going to LIVESTRONG for help has been positive - long may they continue the good work, whoever steers the ship, they are a good organisation. |
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![]() jobaxas - 2012-10-17 6:59 PM Kido - 2012-10-18 9:13 AM I cut and pasted this from the other thread only because it strike close to home (with one correction). Not sure why there has to be haters for a good organization. Those who are badmouthing Livestong, have you actually DEALT with cancer and Livestrong? Or is just some organization with the yellow bracelettes and merchandise to you? When I was diagnosed with cancer last year I was lost. My family doctor didn't know the answers to my questions and passed me along. Do you talk to an oncologist? Surgeon? Endocronolgist? WHO? They all passed the buck just to focus on their little part of the process. Do you talk to all of them? Who do you see first? What about insurance? Available options? I can't tell you how many quesitons there are on top of the stress of just having cancer. I searched the internet and all you get is crap and horror stories about people who died or all the worst case scenarios. Nothing about the process or even the first step to getting cured. I called all the "help lines" from cancer institues and even the ACS. They were WORTHLESS and NO help... But I called/signed up with Livestrong. Withing a WEEK, they sent me a giant package of materials to help track my treatment and recovery. Provided tons of resources and people to contact. A journal to help with my journey to recovery and yes, the yellow bracelette. A couple days later, I was assigned a personal "assistant" to assist in my case via email and they contacted me to check on me and see if they could provide additional help or answer any more questions. I got NOTHING like that from any other resource. The reason Livestrong does that, is because Lance went through the same questions and found zero answers without a lot of work on his own and didn't want other cancer patients to go through that same thing - a void of information. I will tell ANYONE to go to Livestrong if they are looking for support and help. If anyone wants to try and tear down a wonderful organization just because it's founder used PHD's in the PHD era? I'm not listening. I wanted to cut and paste this too - shows what it's all about. Unfortunately all that anyone wants now is to see him fall - which is why he's stepping back at Livestrong, give it a chance to survive without him dragging it down with him. Everything I've read about people going to LIVESTRONG for help has been positive - long may they continue the good work, whoever steers the ship, they are a good organisation. I'm really glad to hear this. I've heard prior to this people try to make an issue of LS not giving most of the $$ to research but there is so much more going on, especially for those who have or had cancer than the back room laboratory. I first saw this on FB today and it is sad how so many will for the lack of a better term be on the bandwagon during the good times and so ready to throw something/someone under the bus the next. With all the attention Lance has had over the last what is it 20 years, if there were skeletons in the LS foundation and the public reporting required, they would have been an issue long ago. Live on Live Strong!!! |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Another reason why he’s such a loathsome man. The wider impact of his deceit and lies is that the cancer charity will receive less donations. It wouldn’t stop me raising money for them if I did (I don’t) but there are clearly those out there that will now look for what they perceive to be a more ethical charity. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It's easy to sit back and say bad things about the man. I know doing something wrong, even though everyone else was doing it doesn't make it right, but LiveStrong does WONDERFUL things for cancer patients. Would LiveStrong be what it is today if Lance wouldn't have won 7 TDF's? I highly doubt it. Hate the man, don't hate the cause. |