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2012-10-23 12:28 PM
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Subject: RE: October 2012 Election Swings: my thoughts.
GomesBolt -  

I've seen a few tie scenarios.  That would be amazing to see. 

If there's a tie in the electoral college, the current congress (mostly Republican) votes for the prez and the current senate (mostly Democrat) votes for the VP. 

What I'm not clear on is does it have to be Romney/Obama/Biden or Ryan?  Or could the Congress say "ok, we elect George Banatz!" 

What would happen if there was a tie?

I think it would be Romney/Obama.  But maybe you have different theories.

Not positive, but I think the congress and senate could vote for whomever they want.
It wouldn't have to be either Romney or Obama for president and Ryan or Biden for vice president.

Of course as far as I know, the electors don't necessarily have to vote for a particular candidate either. 
Seems that different states have different rules.

I was explaining the electoral college to my younger kids the other day.
Don't know this for sure, but my hunch is that the Founders were following the principle of subsidiarity;
wherever possible, keep decisions as local as possible.

So someone in Ohio wouldn't necessarily know who the lanky guy running for president from Illinois is 
but he might know the elector over in the next county and would personally trust him to vote for Lincoln
if the elector thought he'd be the best president in 1860. 

As far as election swings go, both Romney and Obama are running to the middle.
Always happens that way. (except maybe in 1972 in modern times - RIP George McGovern)
Obama has to run farther to get to the middle than Romney does,
and it looks like he also needs to run a bit faster.



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2012-10-23 12:50 PM
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Subject: RE: October 2012 Election Swings: my thoughts.
GomesBolt - 2012-10-23 12:12 PM

Gaarryy - 2012-10-23 12:13 PM I know both sides like to talk about the sampling size of the polling.  But regarless, we can pretty much tell which states, each is going to win with ease and which ones are the toss up ones that will decide the election.   The last electoral map I saw it looked almost even with the core states. 

 

I've seen a few tie scenarios.  That would be amazing to see. 

If there's a tie in the electoral college, the current congress (mostly Republican) votes for the prez and the current senate (mostly Democrat) votes for the VP. 

What I'm not clear on is does it have to be Romney/Obama/Biden or Ryan?  Or could the Congress say "ok, we elect George Banatz!" 

What would happen if there was a tie?

I think it would be Romney/Obama.  But maybe you have different theories.

With the electoral college, there's separate votes for president and VP.  In the event of a tie (or technically when no candidate reaches a majority), the House votes between the top three presidential candidates.  The Senate votes for the VP from the top two VP candidates.  So a Romney/Obama White House is not possible.  It would still be some combination of Romney/Obama as president and Biden/Paul as VP. 

ETA: Also, I don't believe it's the current Congress that votes, but the newly elected Congress. 



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2012-10-23 12:55 PM
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Subject: RE: October 2012 Election Swings: my thoughts.
kevin_trapp - 2012-10-23 1:50 PM
GomesBolt - 2012-10-23 12:12 PM

Gaarryy - 2012-10-23 12:13 PM I know both sides like to talk about the sampling size of the polling.  But regarless, we can pretty much tell which states, each is going to win with ease and which ones are the toss up ones that will decide the election.   The last electoral map I saw it looked almost even with the core states. 

 

I've seen a few tie scenarios.  That would be amazing to see. 

If there's a tie in the electoral college, the current congress (mostly Republican) votes for the prez and the current senate (mostly Democrat) votes for the VP. 

What I'm not clear on is does it have to be Romney/Obama/Biden or Ryan?  Or could the Congress say "ok, we elect George Banatz!" 

What would happen if there was a tie?

I think it would be Romney/Obama.  But maybe you have different theories.

With the electoral college, there's separate votes for president and VP.  In the event of a tie (or technically when no candidate reaches a majority), the House votes between the top three presidential candidates.  The Senate votes for the VP from the top two VP candidates.  So a Romney/Obama White House is not possible.  It would still be some combination of Romney/Obama as president and Biden/Paul as VP. 

ETA: Also, I don't believe it's the current Congress that votes, but the newly elected Congress. 

Romney Biden 2012.  I'm going to go get bumper stickers made.  That would be so surreal...

 

2012-10-23 1:02 PM
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In my view, the main reason Obama wasn't as successful in certain areas as people hoped was because he kept running into roadblocks created by Republicans.   How will it be any different, for any president, in the future?  And is it getting worse, or is it just me?  

2012-10-23 1:04 PM
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BikerGrrrl - 2012-10-23 2:02 PM

In my view, the main reason Obama wasn't as successful in certain areas as people hoped was because he kept running into roadblocks created by Republicans.   How will it be any different, for any president, in the future?  And is it getting worse, or is it just me?  

He had a democratic House and Senate for his first 2 years.  He was still unsuccessful in getting his party behind him.  That's pretty telling about his (lack of) ability to lead.

2012-10-23 1:04 PM
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GomesBolt - 2012-10-23 11:55 AM
kevin_trapp - 2012-10-23 1:50 PM
GomesBolt - 2012-10-23 12:12 PM

Gaarryy - 2012-10-23 12:13 PM I know both sides like to talk about the sampling size of the polling.  But regarless, we can pretty much tell which states, each is going to win with ease and which ones are the toss up ones that will decide the election.   The last electoral map I saw it looked almost even with the core states. 

 

I've seen a few tie scenarios.  That would be amazing to see. 

If there's a tie in the electoral college, the current congress (mostly Republican) votes for the prez and the current senate (mostly Democrat) votes for the VP. 

What I'm not clear on is does it have to be Romney/Obama/Biden or Ryan?  Or could the Congress say "ok, we elect George Banatz!" 

What would happen if there was a tie?

I think it would be Romney/Obama.  But maybe you have different theories.

With the electoral college, there's separate votes for president and VP.  In the event of a tie (or technically when no candidate reaches a majority), the House votes between the top three presidential candidates.  The Senate votes for the VP from the top two VP candidates.  So a Romney/Obama White House is not possible.  It would still be some combination of Romney/Obama as president and Biden/Paul as VP. 

ETA: Also, I don't believe it's the current Congress that votes, but the newly elected Congress. 

Romney Biden 2012.  I'm going to go get bumper stickers made.  That would be so surreal...

 

 

Think of the inner circle arguing between Obama/Ryan. I don't know if Romney and Biden could hold a conversation.



2012-10-23 1:32 PM
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BikerGrrrl - 2012-10-23 12:02 PM

In my view, the main reason Obama wasn't as successful in certain areas as people hoped was because he kept running into roadblocks created by Republicans.   How will it be any different, for any president, in the future?  And is it getting worse, or is it just me?  

this is what gets me...there is always an excuse for Mr. Obama.  First, he had Dem control for the first 2-years.  Second, he can't work across parties.  He's an autocrat! He forced obamacare through when he should have been focused on fixing the econmomy.  In my lifetime, and that's half a century, he has been the worst leader in the Whitehouse that I can remember.  Even worse than Carter.

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