Clip-on aero bars?
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2012-12-26 2:32 PM |
New user 11 | Subject: Clip-on aero bars? This spring I will be starting my 2nd Tri season and can't wait. I am thinking about adding aero bars to my GT road bike for some faster times. Can you all offer some suggestions as to brand along with pros and cons associated with clip-ons? Thanks everyone and Happy New Year! |
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2012-12-26 3:12 PM in reply to: #4548704 |
Master 2855 Kailua, Hawaii | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? Adding clip-ons can help, but it's a compromise and can introduce problems. I've used Profile Design T2+ in the past, which I liked, but you have to consider the fit to your body and bike geometry as to which one will work the best. here's a couple of articles to check out.. http://triathlon.competitor.com/2012/06/gear-tech/adding-clip-on-aerobars-to-your-road-bike_54972 Edited by metafizx 2012-12-26 3:13 PM |
2012-12-26 3:15 PM in reply to: #4548704 |
Extreme Veteran 406 | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? I just bought the cheapest ones I could find on performancebike.com. Love em. |
2012-12-26 5:56 PM in reply to: #4548704 |
Expert 1662 Spokane, WA | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? Profile design. I have the t 3's, Love em. I moved my seat forward about as far as it goes, and it puts me comfortably over the aerobars and am not extended at all. I also noticed that I sped up .5-1.0mph on my rides. I got mine on amazon for a reasonable price, and found they took all of 20 min. to install with a hex head allen wrench. |
2012-12-26 5:59 PM in reply to: #4548704 |
Expert 1028 Detroit, MI. Kinda. | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? I dunno. I think their value is really in longer courses - they save a lot of arm/core energy because you can rest on your forearms. Just looking at pics of myself (I've been looked over by two fitters) and even others, it appears that you're actually more aero on a road bike if you can stay in the drops. |
2012-12-26 6:20 PM in reply to: #4548704 |
Veteran 305 Springfield/Branson | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? I have the T2+ cobras and love them. You will see the greatest benefit in long course tri's. As mentioned above, there are other considerations in adding aero bars such as moving your seat forward and adding a slight tilt forward possibly. |
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2012-12-26 10:15 PM in reply to: #4548704 |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? I got the PRofile Design Century aerobars, retail less than $90, and they,be worked well. I did have the LBS fit me however and I think that made a big difference. We ended up switching out my stem which gave me the best possible fit with what I had. |
2012-12-26 10:24 PM in reply to: #4548981 |
Expert 913 Lost in the Evergreens | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? I x2 the Profile Design T2+. Moving down onto areo bars, will move you center of mass forward. This alter bike geometry and handleing. Also gripping the bar ends changes how reactive the steering inputs are converted into direction changes. That said some bikes are effected more by adding areo bars than others. I would try it. Being down low reduces drag, alot and that translates into free speed. |
2012-12-27 5:35 AM in reply to: #4548704 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? What I always recommend to athletes who are looking to add aerobars to a road bike is to go with a set of shorty bars (ITU legal) and to add them as an additional position to your road positions. You want to keep the hoods and drops while getting a more aero option to compliment the road positions so you don't want to move your seat, drop your handlebars or anything else that will adversely affect your ability to ride your bike. Beyond that, anyone who suggests that aerobars are only an advantage in longer events does not have a clear understanding of aerodynamics and the relation to speed; since you'll be going faster in a short course event, improved aerodynamics are more beneficial than when going slower not less. There is a reason that pro cyclists use full TT rigs for prologues which are 8km or less. Finally, if you are well setup, while the drops will be similar to the aerobars in terms of aerodynamics, because the aero position will be more narrow, it should be slightly faster than the drops and most triathletes find riding in the drops, even for 20km, to be less comfortable than in the aerobars. Here's an article that's worth a read (sorry, its the mobile version as I'm on my phone): http://m.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/how-aero-is-aero-19273/ Shane |
2012-12-27 6:53 AM in reply to: #4548704 |
New user 11 | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? Thanks for the solid advice everyone. |
2012-12-27 7:08 AM in reply to: #4549325 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? X1000 what Shane just said! |
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2012-12-27 7:12 AM in reply to: #4549325 |
Expert 1028 Detroit, MI. Kinda. | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? gsmacleod - 2012-12-27 6:35 AM Beyond that, anyone who suggests that aerobars are only an advantage in longer events does not have a clear understanding of aerodynamics and the relation to speed; since you'll be going faster in a short course event, improved aerodynamics are more beneficial than when going slower not less. There is a reason that pro cyclists use full TT rigs for prologues which are 8km or less. Finally, if you are well setup, while the drops will be similar to the aerobars in terms of aerodynamics, because the aero position will be more narrow, it should be slightly faster than the drops and most triathletes find riding in the drops, even for 20km, to be less comfortable than in the aerobars. Here's an article that's worth a read (sorry, its the mobile version as I'm on my phone): http://m.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/how-aero-is-aero-19273/Shane Aero clearly has it's greatest advantage at greatest speeds. I question whether bolt on aero bars are as aero as using the drops. A TT Bike has no relation to a road bike with clip ons. |
2012-12-27 9:19 AM in reply to: #4549392 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? Zero2Athlete - 2012-12-27 9:12 AM Aero clearly has it's greatest advantage at greatest speeds. I question whether bolt on aero bars are as aero as using the drops. A TT Bike has no relation to a road bike with clip ons. Well, as the article indicates, the clip-ons are more aero than the drops in that situation. Based on field testing I have done, I gain about 1s/km when using my clip-on shorty aerobars versus being in the drops. I haven't tested this as extensively as some of the other positions I have tested but basically here's what I found: Road bike (hoods) as baseline Road bike (drops) - 2.5s/km faster Road bike (aero bars) - 3.5s/km faster Tribike - 7.5s/km faster As to your contention that a TT bike has no relation to a road bike with clip-ons, you are incorrect. While the best option for a triathlete who wants to ride aero as much as possible in a race, a tribike is the best option. However, if the athlete cannot afford/does not want a second bike and wants to add clip-ons to their road bike, very real time savings can be had. Shane |
2012-12-27 11:49 AM in reply to: #4549325 |
Veteran 305 Springfield/Branson | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? gsmacleod - 2012-12-27 5:35 AM What I always recommend to athletes who are looking to add aerobars to a road bike is to go with a set of shorty bars (ITU legal) and to add them as an additional position to your road positions. You want to keep the hoods and drops while getting a more aero option to compliment the road positions so you don't want to move your seat, drop your handlebars or anything else that will adversely affect your ability to ride your bike. Beyond that, anyone who suggests that aerobars are only an advantage in longer events does not have a clear understanding of aerodynamics and the relation to speed; since you'll be going faster in a short course event, improved aerodynamics are more beneficial than when going slower not less. There is a reason that pro cyclists use full TT rigs for prologues which are 8km or less. Finally, if you are well setup, while the drops will be similar to the aerobars in terms of aerodynamics, because the aero position will be more narrow, it should be slightly faster than the drops and most triathletes find riding in the drops, even for 20km, to be less comfortable than in the aerobars. Here's an article that's worth a read (sorry, its the mobile version as I'm on my phone): http://m.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/how-aero-is-aero-19273/Shane Using your formulas below there is a 1 second/km advantage going from drops to aerobars. 40 sec. in a 40km TT. Pro cyclists use a full TT rig because those seconds are huge in the pro TT circuit where the gap between first and last may only be seconds. Yes, more speed increases drag, but the time savings in a 5 hour IM bike ride vs a 30-45 min. sprint do bare out. This is triathlon, not pro TT. So while having a good aero set up is important, most, especially MOP's will get greater benefit from clip ons in longer distances while saving something for the run. Edited by mroger82 2012-12-27 12:07 PM |
2012-12-27 12:27 PM in reply to: #4549981 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? mroger82 - 2012-12-27 1:49 PM Using your formulas below there is a 1 second/km advantage going from drops to aerobars. 40 sec. in a 40km TT. Pro cyclists use a full TT rig because those seconds are huge in the pro TT circuit where the gap between first and last may only be seconds. This is triathlon, not pro TT. So while having a good aero set up is important, you will get greater benefit from longer distances while saving something for the run, not in an all out TT. The numbers that I posted are rules of thumb and are applicable for speeds closer to 40km/h than 30km/h. The article found a larger difference between drops and aero bars on a road bike than I did but quickly running some basic numbers (FTP of 250W, mass of 90kg, Crr 0.005, CdA road (drops) 0.310 CdA road (aero) 0.267 - from the article), we can look at the time savings between drop and clip-on's over some standard triathlon distances: 20km (100% FTP) - 92s saved or 4.5% 40km (95%) - 185s saved or 4.5% 90km (85% FTP) - 432s saved or 4.4% 180km (75% FTP) - 906s saved or 4.4% The rule of thumb for this change would give approximately 4.3s/km saved which gives a result pretty close for 20 and 40km but is quite different for 90km and 180km. However, even for my results (1s/km) that is 20s saved in a sprint and 40s saved in an oly which I'm more than happy to have; YMMV. Shane |
2012-12-28 8:53 PM in reply to: #4548704 |
Expert 1028 Detroit, MI. Kinda. | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? Cant argue with data...as mentioned, I was just looking at a few photos. |
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2012-12-29 7:55 AM in reply to: #4548704 |
Expert 1644 Oklahoma | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? I would go with a set of shorties. I personally like Vision Tech Mini's. |
2012-12-29 8:22 AM in reply to: #4548704 |
Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? Short and lightweight, definitely, but not too short. My first set of aerobars with a Profile Design aluminum hoop (the classic shape) with flip-up armrests. Two problems. First, it made my bike horribly nose heavy and darty. I hated out the bike handled with that thing. Second, while flip-up armrests sounded like a good idea in practice they were a hassle to use. I couldn't hop in and out of aero if I always had to maneuver my elbow to get into it. Sort of hard to describe, but if you're on the drops and want to go aero, I had to sit way up, maneuver each elbow into place up and inside, over the armrest to push it down, and then back to aero. Hassle! Next, I overcorrected with a pair of short bars so short they weren't useful as aerobars. They had no armrests per se, instead they used pads wrapped around the handlebars. Well, that wasn't very comfortable. And they were too short to get my hands in the right position. The third set was a carbon version of the Jammer GT. This is the aluminum set: http://www.profile-design.com/profile-design/products/aerobars/aluminum-aerobars/jammer-gt.html These were ideal. Short, lightweight, very adjustable, solid armrests. Perfect! |
2012-12-29 10:54 AM in reply to: #4548704 |
Regular 789 | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? http://www.profile-design.com/profile-design/products/aerobars/carbon-aerobars/carbon-stryke.html
These work very well for me on my road bike. I like them so much that I am thinking about putting them on my tri bike which has the s bend bars which are not as comfortable for me. |
2012-12-29 11:12 AM in reply to: #4549325 |
Expert 839 Anaheim Hills, CA | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? gsmacleod - 2012-12-27 3:35 AM What I always recommend to athletes who are looking to add aerobars to a road bike is to go with a set of shorty bars (ITU legal) and to add them as an additional position to your road positions. You want to keep the hoods and drops while getting a more aero option to compliment the road positions so you don't want to move your seat, drop your handlebars or anything else that will adversely affect your ability to ride your bike. Beyond that, anyone who suggests that aerobars are only an advantage in longer events does not have a clear understanding of aerodynamics and the relation to speed; since you'll be going faster in a short course event, improved aerodynamics are more beneficial than when going slower not less. There is a reason that pro cyclists use full TT rigs for prologues which are 8km or less. Finally, if you are well setup, while the drops will be similar to the aerobars in terms of aerodynamics, because the aero position will be more narrow, it should be slightly faster than the drops and most triathletes find riding in the drops, even for 20km, to be less comfortable than in the aerobars. Here's an article that's worth a read (sorry, its the mobile version as I'm on my phone): http://m.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/how-aero-is-aero-19273/Shane This. I went with a pair of shorty bars for my first two seasons. I didn't make any other adjustments from my road position as I didn't want to mess with that but rather add in another position. |
2012-12-30 1:13 PM in reply to: #4548956 |
Master 1526 Bolivia, NC | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? kevinbe - 2012-12-26 6:56 PM Profile design. I have the t 3's, Love em. I moved my seat forward about as far as it goes, and it puts me comfortably over the aerobars and am not extended at all. I also noticed that I sped up .5-1.0mph on my rides. I got mine on amazon for a reasonable price, and found they took all of 20 min. to install with a hex head allen wrench. I started with the short bars but found that I have long forearms and when my elbows were over the pads to support my weight then my hands were too far forward to hold the bars comfortably. The t3s have a great range of adjustments and are much more comfortable for me. |
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2012-12-30 8:40 PM in reply to: #4548704 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? Here's interesting comparo test data using same pro cyclist with road bike +/- clip on aerobars vs TT set up: http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/how-aero-is-aero Basically found a full TT rig vs road bike (drops) saved roughly 25% power at 40kph. Prob a bit lower % power savings (20%?) @ 30kph. Over half that power savings was seen for road bike with clip on aerobars, so there is real a speed advantage in addition to the comfort factor of extra hand positions. |
2012-12-31 12:28 AM in reply to: #4548704 |
2012-12-31 6:13 AM in reply to: #4554559 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? gohmdoree - 2012-12-31 1:28 AM Which shorty bars would you recommend? I really like Vision Tech Mini TT. Syntace XXS are quite nice as well, but harder to find (and more expensive). Other ones would be Profile Design Jammer, but I really never liked those much (and I had a pair) |
2013-01-01 1:34 PM in reply to: #4548704 |
Regular 117 Massachusetts | Subject: RE: Clip-on aero bars? This is only my third tri season so I just went through the same thing. I bought the cheapest profile design ones I could find on the web...they were about $90 from Amazon and save me about $10 from the local bike store. I wished I had spent a few more dollars as mine are a little short and not as good as I would like them to be. My suggestion is to buy them from a local bike store and ask them to install them etc and see if you can weasel an unpaid bike fit into the deal. Just tell them you want to get up on the bike and see how the handles fit. |
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