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2013-02-09 10:30 AM

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Subject: how do HIM transitions work?

I'm curious because I'm thinking about how to approach what I'm going to wear for each event. Has anyone tried wearing cycling bibs under a wetsuit? Do they get all soggy and squishy, would you be able to change out of them for the half marathon run at the end in a reasonable amount of time (T2 < 3min)? That is of course assuming it is wetsuit legal.

I'm competing HIM New Orleans and want to break 4:45:00. Would it be worth it to switch to cycling bibs, then running shorts for each leg, or do the whole thing in a one-piece? (I don't like tri shorts & tri top. Especially for the swim)... if only it were legal to change in transition I'd have zero problems with that :P

I don't have a problem with running in my one-piece but cycling is kinda meh. I haven't had a good saddle. Currently using the Cobb V-flow max and its "ok". I just get a lot of pressure on the sit bones and haven't figured out how to accommodate. I can't turn it side to side, only up/down and forward/back.



2013-02-09 10:38 AM
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The transitions are like that of smaller events. Just a lot more people around since it's MDot. Something is off if you need to use more than just a tri suit for a HIM.

How long have you been using that saddle? It can take some time for you body to get used to a split saddle. Things are working down there that haven't been before. I'm also wondering if it's actually your sit bones as I found the Max to be overly soft/squishy with padding.

2013-02-09 11:06 AM
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odpaul7 - 2013-02-09 10:30 AM

I'm competing HIM New Orleans and want to break 4:45:00. Would it be worth it to switch to cycling bibs, then running shorts for each leg, or do the whole thing in a one-piece? (I don't like tri shorts & tri top. Especially for the swim)... if only it were legal to change in transition I'd have zero problems with that :P

Not sure why you are asking if you know you can't...? What am I missing?



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lisac957 - 2013-02-09 11:06 AM
odpaul7 - 2013-02-09 10:30 AM

I'm competing HIM New Orleans and want to break 4:45:00. Would it be worth it to switch to cycling bibs, then running shorts for each leg, or do the whole thing in a one-piece? (I don't like tri shorts & tri top. Especially for the swim)... if only it were legal to change in transition I'd have zero problems with that :P

Not sure why you are asking if you know you can't...? What am I missing?

You can get disqualified for changing in the nude can't you? haha

Maybe it does just come down to more time on the Cobb. I hope I get used to it by race day then :p it feels like heaven on my cycling bibs but with the thinner padding on my tri suit it gets to me after about 30mi and I start having to stretch out every 5-10min or so. Had it for maybe a month or so, put in maybe 2-300mi on it.



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2013-02-09 11:44 AM
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I had AeroTech Designs make me a bib with one of their tri pads in it rather than their thicker bike pad.  It is more substantial than the fleece chamois in my De Soto tri bib.  Not saying it is the answer you are looking for but it is something to consider.
2013-02-09 12:01 PM
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lisac957 - 2013-02-09 9:06 AM
odpaul7 - 2013-02-09 10:30 AM

I'm competing HIM New Orleans and want to break 4:45:00. Would it be worth it to switch to cycling bibs, then running shorts for each leg, or do the whole thing in a one-piece? (I don't like tri shorts & tri top. Especially for the swim)... if only it were legal to change in transition I'd have zero problems with that :P

Not sure why you are asking if you know you can't...? What am I missing?

Actually you can, sort of.

For IM I did, T1 was large with changing tents too far away and I wanted to wear my bibs for bike.  T2 was the same layout.

I wore a pair of Nike Pros which are thin compression type shorts throughout the event.  I wore just them under my wetsuit.  Pulled my bibs on over them.  Cycling with them under the bibs did not create any comfort issues.  In T2, I pulled bibs off and pulled running shorts over them.  It worked out very well for me.



2013-02-09 12:28 PM
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odpaul7 - 2013-02-09 5:30 AMI don't have a problem with running in my one-piece but cycling is kinda meh. I haven't had a good saddle. Currently using the Cobb V-flow max and its "ok". I just get a lot of pressure on the sit bones and haven't figured out how to accommodate. I can't turn it side to side, only up/down and forward/back.

it's not too late to get a better saddle for you.

I gave up on that same saddle, couldn't ride it comfortably for more than 40 miles with cushy riding shorts. So I switched to a Specialized Romin Evo comp Gel...I love it. Now this is on my Roadie, but I'm sure it would be ok on my tri bike too.

On my tri bike I have a Adamo Prologue, which is fine.

You might spend a little time now fixing the saddle problem and you'll be happier and can just wear a tri suit for the whole race.

2013-02-09 12:29 PM
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Just get a good pair of tri shorts and do the whole thing on them. Don't make it more complicated than what it is.

Now, if you MUST wear the bibs, you can do the swim in jammers or running short tights and just put the bibs on top of them at transition so you don't get disqualified (and put in the sex offenders list) for being nude. 

2013-02-09 12:31 PM
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If you've put plenty of time in on the saddle and it's still not fairly comfortable, then you should try another saddle. Since you are aiming for a pretty fast time, you should not even consider changing between events...frankly, i see no reason for anyone to do this if you've got decent tri clothes AND you've spent time training in them....run and bike.
2013-02-09 1:49 PM
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Desoto makes a tri bib. I would think that might be better than cycling bibs. I have done wtc 70.3 & indy 70.3 distance and none had a change tent.
2013-02-09 1:52 PM
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That is such a joke when I hear about like that. Arrest all the ladies that flash during spring break or mardi gras too then. Sex offender registry should be for real criminals.


2013-02-09 2:47 PM
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Subject: RE: how do HIM transitions work?
popsracer - 2013-02-09 12:01 PM
lisac957 - 2013-02-09 9:06 AM
odpaul7 - 2013-02-09 10:30 AM

I'm competing HIM New Orleans and want to break 4:45:00. Would it be worth it to switch to cycling bibs, then running shorts for each leg, or do the whole thing in a one-piece? (I don't like tri shorts & tri top. Especially for the swim)... if only it were legal to change in transition I'd have zero problems with that :P

Not sure why you are asking if you know you can't...? What am I missing?

Actually you can, sort of.

For IM I did, T1 was large with changing tents too far away and I wanted to wear my bibs for bike.  T2 was the same layout.

I wore a pair of Nike Pros which are thin compression type shorts throughout the event.  I wore just them under my wetsuit.  Pulled my bibs on over them.  Cycling with them under the bibs did not create any comfort issues.  In T2, I pulled bibs off and pulled running shorts over them.  It worked out very well for me.

I do the same.....easy as can be.

2013-02-09 2:56 PM
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Sex offender registry should be for real criminals.

Yup.

2013-02-09 2:58 PM
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Subject: RE: how do HIM transitions work?
metafizx - 2013-02-09 12:28 PM

I gave up on that same saddle, couldn't ride it comfortably for more than 40 miles with cushy riding shorts. So I switched to a Specialized Romin Evo comp Gel...I love it. Now this is on my Roadie, but I'm sure it would be ok on my tri bike too.

As to the bolded part...

I wouldn't count on it.  While saddles are certainly highly individual, the Romin Evo saddles just aren't very aero position friendly.  Awesome road saddle though.

I tested about a half dozen saddles last year - Adamo Road, Adamo Race, Cobb V-Flow Max, Cobb V-Flow Plus, Specialized Romin EVO, Fizik Arione Tri 2.  The Romin EVO was the best feeling saddle in the road position and the absolute worst in the aero position.  And I was very careful to setup each saddle and do multiple rides with each.

Do a search on Slowtwitch for Romin EVO and read about people's experiences.  Everyone says the same thing - great road saddle, horrible tri saddle.  I think it was Paulo Sousa that summed up the Romin EVO on a tri bike the best - "Many have tried, none have succeeded."

2013-02-09 4:13 PM
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Subject: RE: how do HIM transitions work?
popsracer - 2013-02-09 1:01 PM
lisac957 - 2013-02-09 9:06 AM
odpaul7 - 2013-02-09 10:30 AM

I'm competing HIM New Orleans and want to break 4:45:00. Would it be worth it to switch to cycling bibs, then running shorts for each leg, or do the whole thing in a one-piece? (I don't like tri shorts & tri top. Especially for the swim)... if only it were legal to change in transition I'd have zero problems with that :P

Not sure why you are asking if you know you can't...? What am I missing?

Actually you can, sort of.

For IM I did, T1 was large with changing tents too far away and I wanted to wear my bibs for bike.  T2 was the same layout.

I wore a pair of Nike Pros which are thin compression type shorts throughout the event.  I wore just them under my wetsuit.  Pulled my bibs on over them.  Cycling with them under the bibs did not create any comfort issues.  In T2, I pulled bibs off and pulled running shorts over them.  It worked out very well for me.

That's my plan too. I don't care for my tri-shorts and I don't feel like buying another pair.  I'll wear only the compression type shorts during the run, though. I train in them.

2013-02-09 4:51 PM
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Subject: RE: how do HIM transitions work?
find a saddle that works for you.  everyone is different.  once you have one that you like,then put the miles in with a short that is similar to your race shorts.  if your shooting for 4:45, then you are not going to want 5 minute transitions.


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4:45's pretty fast! Hope your bike and run are up to par. 

 

At that paces, you really should have your transition down smoothly. Do 1 or 2 sprints or olys before for practice - it's exactly the same.

 

A trisuit is what you want. No wasting time changing in and out of stuff.  4:45 is fast enough that unless you know you're one of the top cyclists/runners and have a solid swim, you'll need your transition minutes. The trisuit goes under your wetsuit no problem. 

 

2013-02-09 7:04 PM
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I used the Cobb VFlow Max for a couple years and was very happy with it and then almost overnight it started to really irritate my under carriage due to both pressure and chafing. I switched to the Cobb Gen2 and I am much happier. If you bought the Cobb new you should still be within the exchange 180 days they give you.

Also, the DeSoto Forza Riviera Tri short has a pad that is as good as most cycling shorts but it absorbs almost no water and pretty much disappears on the run. The Kiwami Prima short also has a very nice pad that I found great all the way up to full IM distance.
2013-02-09 7:52 PM
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Thanks for all the suggestions! I'm just kind of cautious about finding a perfect saddle because if I can't find it in time then I might be stuck with one worse than what I have, since I'm considering the Max as just a "meh". I think I'll try some swapping then...

4:45 is the goal but idk how realistic it is at this point. It depends on conditions. I did the calculator simulation and giving 2 mins per transition (I only need maybe 30 seconds and 10 seconds from the time I get to the rack), that means 23mph on the bike and roughly a 7:45 to 7:55 min/mi on the run. Right now I feel safely at under 5hrs so its gonna have to be a perfect race.
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23mph is a pretty studly HIM bike! Might I ask how you came up with that estimate?

 

Curious, because I'm only a hair better on the run than the bike (I'm actually dead equal in race placements for sprint/oly, but HIM I'm a bit better on the run), and I run about a 7:20/mi on the HIM run, but am only about 20.5 for the bike in a HIM.

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agarose2000 - 2013-02-09 9:53 PM

23mph is a pretty studly HIM bike! Might I ask how you came up with that estimate?

 

Curious, because I'm only a hair better on the run than the bike (I'm actually dead equal in race placements for sprint/oly, but HIM I'm a bit better on the run), and I run about a 7:20/mi on the HIM run, but am only about 20.5 for the bike in a HIM.

Curious on this one too. Even on a flat course, that's generally considered rather fast.



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Sex offender registry should be for real criminals.

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2013-02-09 11:22 PM
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Triathlonpacecalculator.com

I think that is the site. I just figured the most likely way for me to hit 4:45. 26 minutes to swim, ~1:38 for the HIM. Gave me x amount of time to adjust the bike speed and voila. Right now I can probably do 21.5 with aero helmet, taper and wheelbuilder cover. So its kinda a stretch :p
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agarose2000 - 2013-02-09 9:53 PM

23mph is a pretty studly HIM bike! Might I ask how you came up with that estimate?

 

Curious, because I'm only a hair better on the run than the bike (I'm actually dead equal in race placements for sprint/oly, but HIM I'm a bit better on the run), and I run about a 7:20/mi on the HIM run, but am only about 20.5 for the bike in a HIM.

Curious on this one too. Even on a flat course, that's generally considered rather fast.

fast-ish i would think, but not "faster" than a 7:20 pace on the run right?  i'm looking to pace 20+ on my HIM, wouldn't think that would be considered "fast" on flat course.

2013-02-09 11:34 PM
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Its triathloncalculators.com

And I figured 23 would be respectable but not necessarily "fast" no? I mean lieto averages like 27 over an ironman :p
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