Syria (Page 6)

Hmmm, the plot thickens

Rep. Alan Grayson: Syria Intelligence Manipulated

oh man this one is just gold.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-assures-americans-this-will-not-be-another-1,33719/

Originally posted by jeffnboise I'm a (mostly) liberal, left-leaner and, so far, I have no major disagreements with anything that has been discussed on this thread....And that's kinda sad. 

I read an article the other day that talked about how it used to be the D's versus the R's on everything, but it has shifted big time over the past several years to Authoritarians (R's & D's) vs. Libertarians.  Both the Dems and the Repubs are pretty much the exact same thing.  They both want to go to war, they both want to raise taxes, they both want to give money to buddy businesses, they both want to dictate to us what we can and can't do.

I have very strong positions on social issues, and I know that you do as well.  No matter what we say or do we probably won't convince each other to change our minds.  So, it's no more right for me to push my views on you through laws than it is for you to push yours on me through laws.  Hence, we agree to disagree and I do what I do and you do what we do and we all just get along.

I'm genuinely encouraged and hopeful that the people continue to shift towards the libertarian mindset which I feel is what we really need as a country.

Originally posted by jeffnboise I'm a (mostly) liberal, left-leaner and, so far, I have no major disagreements with anything that has been discussed on this thread....And that's kinda sad. 

I read an article the other day that talked about how it used to be the D's versus the R's on everything, but it has shifted big time over the past several years to Authoritarians (R's & D's) vs. Libertarians.  Both the Dems and the Repubs are pretty much the exact same thing.  They both want to go to war, they both want to raise taxes, they both want to give money to buddy businesses, they both want to dictate to us what we can and can't do.

I have very strong positions on social issues, and I know that you do as well.  No matter what we say or do we probably won't convince each other to change our minds.  So, it's no more right for me to push my views on you through laws than it is for you to push yours on me through laws.  Hence, we agree to disagree and I do what I do and you do what we do and we all just get along.

I'm genuinely encouraged and hopeful that the people continue to shift towards the libertarian mindset which I feel is what we really need as a country.

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by jeffnboise I'm a (mostly) liberal, left-leaner and, so far, I have no major disagreements with anything that has been discussed on this thread....And that's kinda sad. 

I read an article the other day that talked about how it used to be the D's versus the R's on everything, but it has shifted big time over the past several years to Authoritarians (R's & D's) vs. Libertarians.  Both the Dems and the Repubs are pretty much the exact same thing.  They both want to go to war, they both want to raise taxes, they both want to give money to buddy businesses, they both want to dictate to us what we can and can't do.

I have very strong positions on social issues, and I know that you do as well.  No matter what we say or do we probably won't convince each other to change our minds.  So, it's no more right for me to push my views on you through laws than it is for you to push yours on me through laws.  Hence, we agree to disagree and I do what I do and you do what we do and we all just get along.

I'm genuinely encouraged and hopeful that the people continue to shift towards the libertarian mindset which I feel is what we really need as a country.

You had me eating out of your hand.....until (there^) Did you HAVE to slip in the Libertarian 'sales pitch'?   lol

Originally posted by jeffnboise

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by jeffnboise I'm a (mostly) liberal, left-leaner and, so far, I have no major disagreements with anything that has been discussed on this thread....And that's kinda sad. 

I read an article the other day that talked about how it used to be the D's versus the R's on everything, but it has shifted big time over the past several years to Authoritarians (R's & D's) vs. Libertarians.  Both the Dems and the Repubs are pretty much the exact same thing.  They both want to go to war, they both want to raise taxes, they both want to give money to buddy businesses, they both want to dictate to us what we can and can't do.

I have very strong positions on social issues, and I know that you do as well.  No matter what we say or do we probably won't convince each other to change our minds.  So, it's no more right for me to push my views on you through laws than it is for you to push yours on me through laws.  Hence, we agree to disagree and I do what I do and you do what we do and we all just get along.

I'm genuinely encouraged and hopeful that the people continue to shift towards the libertarian mindset which I feel is what we really need as a country.

You had me eating out of your hand.....until (there^) Did you HAVE to slip in the Libertarian 'sales pitch'?   lol

 

Sales pitch?

Depends what you want to "label" as Libertarian. Libertarians are what Founded the country. They were not anti-government anarchists, they were simply for limited government. Today, we will never go back to 1800, nor do I want to.... but limiting government right now is a very good thing. They have gone unrestrained too long. For the pendulum to BEGIN to swing back the other direction is a good thing. It is the path we are on that has given us crushing debts, the Cold War, endless military engagements, and the Nanny State. That includes the NSA as much as it includes our entitlement culture.

Is applying brakes to a speeding train so ridiculous as to reject it out of hand?

Originally posted by jeffnboise

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by jeffnboise I'm a (mostly) liberal, left-leaner and, so far, I have no major disagreements with anything that has been discussed on this thread....And that's kinda sad. 

I read an article the other day that talked about how it used to be the D's versus the R's on everything, but it has shifted big time over the past several years to Authoritarians (R's & D's) vs. Libertarians.  Both the Dems and the Repubs are pretty much the exact same thing.  They both want to go to war, they both want to raise taxes, they both want to give money to buddy businesses, they both want to dictate to us what we can and can't do.

I have very strong positions on social issues, and I know that you do as well.  No matter what we say or do we probably won't convince each other to change our minds.  So, it's no more right for me to push my views on you through laws than it is for you to push yours on me through laws.  Hence, we agree to disagree and I do what I do and you do what we do and we all just get along.

I'm genuinely encouraged and hopeful that the people continue to shift towards the libertarian mindset which I feel is what we really need as a country.

You had me eating out of your hand.....until (there^) Did you HAVE to slip in the Libertarian 'sales pitch'?   lol

 

Sales pitch?

Depends what you want to "label" as Libertarian. Libertarians are what Founded the country. They were not anti-government anarchists, they were simply for limited government. Today, we will never go back to 1800, nor do I want to.... but limiting government right now is a very good thing. They have gone unrestrained too long. For the pendulum to BEGIN to swing back the other direction is a good thing. It is the path we are on that has given us crushing debts, the Cold War, endless military engagements, and the Nanny State. That includes the NSA as much as it includes our entitlement culture.

Is applying brakes to a speeding train so ridiculous as to reject it out of hand?

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by jeffnboise I'm a (mostly) liberal, left-leaner and, so far, I have no major disagreements with anything that has been discussed on this thread....And that's kinda sad. 

I read an article the other day that talked about how it used to be the D's versus the R's on everything, but it has shifted big time over the past several years to Authoritarians (R's & D's) vs. Libertarians.  Both the Dems and the Repubs are pretty much the exact same thing.  They both want to go to war, they both want to raise taxes, they both want to give money to buddy businesses, they both want to dictate to us what we can and can't do.

I have very strong positions on social issues, and I know that you do as well.  No matter what we say or do we probably won't convince each other to change our minds.  So, it's no more right for me to push my views on you through laws than it is for you to push yours on me through laws.  Hence, we agree to disagree and I do what I do and you do what we do and we all just get along.

I'm genuinely encouraged and hopeful that the people continue to shift towards the libertarian mindset which I feel is what we really need as a country.

You had me eating out of your hand.....until (there^) Did you HAVE to slip in the Libertarian 'sales pitch'?   lol

Originally posted by powerman

Originally posted by jeffnboise

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by jeffnboise I'm a (mostly) liberal, left-leaner and, so far, I have no major disagreements with anything that has been discussed on this thread....And that's kinda sad. 

I read an article the other day that talked about how it used to be the D's versus the R's on everything, but it has shifted big time over the past several years to Authoritarians (R's & D's) vs. Libertarians.  Both the Dems and the Repubs are pretty much the exact same thing.  They both want to go to war, they both want to raise taxes, they both want to give money to buddy businesses, they both want to dictate to us what we can and can't do.

I have very strong positions on social issues, and I know that you do as well.  No matter what we say or do we probably won't convince each other to change our minds.  So, it's no more right for me to push my views on you through laws than it is for you to push yours on me through laws.  Hence, we agree to disagree and I do what I do and you do what we do and we all just get along.

I'm genuinely encouraged and hopeful that the people continue to shift towards the libertarian mindset which I feel is what we really need as a country.

You had me eating out of your hand.....until (there^) Did you HAVE to slip in the Libertarian 'sales pitch'?   lol

 

Sales pitch?

Depends what you want to "label" as Libertarian. Libertarians are what Founded the country. They were not anti-government anarchists, they were simply for limited government. Today, we will never go back to 1800, nor do I want to.... but limiting government right now is a very good thing. They have gone unrestrained too long. For the pendulum to BEGIN to swing back the other direction is a good thing. It is the path we are on that has given us crushing debts, the Cold War, endless military engagements, and the Nanny State. That includes the NSA as much as it includes our entitlement culture.

Is applying brakes to a speeding train so ridiculous as to reject it out of hand?

Maybe Obama really is the great one.....the one who finally got everyone to say, "you know, these bastards are all the same"....and lead us all to dump both parties in favor of ideas that actually have a chance at working.

Originally posted by powerman

Originally posted by jeffnboise

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by jeffnboise I'm a (mostly) liberal, left-leaner and, so far, I have no major disagreements with anything that has been discussed on this thread....And that's kinda sad. 

I read an article the other day that talked about how it used to be the D's versus the R's on everything, but it has shifted big time over the past several years to Authoritarians (R's & D's) vs. Libertarians.  Both the Dems and the Repubs are pretty much the exact same thing.  They both want to go to war, they both want to raise taxes, they both want to give money to buddy businesses, they both want to dictate to us what we can and can't do.

I have very strong positions on social issues, and I know that you do as well.  No matter what we say or do we probably won't convince each other to change our minds.  So, it's no more right for me to push my views on you through laws than it is for you to push yours on me through laws.  Hence, we agree to disagree and I do what I do and you do what we do and we all just get along.

I'm genuinely encouraged and hopeful that the people continue to shift towards the libertarian mindset which I feel is what we really need as a country.

You had me eating out of your hand.....until (there^) Did you HAVE to slip in the Libertarian 'sales pitch'?   lol

 

Sales pitch?

Depends what you want to "label" as Libertarian. Libertarians are what Founded the country. They were not anti-government anarchists, they were simply for limited government. Today, we will never go back to 1800, nor do I want to.... but limiting government right now is a very good thing. They have gone unrestrained too long. For the pendulum to BEGIN to swing back the other direction is a good thing. It is the path we are on that has given us crushing debts, the Cold War, endless military engagements, and the Nanny State. That includes the NSA as much as it includes our entitlement culture.

Is applying brakes to a speeding train so ridiculous as to reject it out of hand?

Different Discussion/Different Thread! 

This morning an adviser to the Syrian Minister of Information said in an interview that they were influenced by the threat of force by the US and its allies and diplomatic discussions between Putin and Syria. Also it now appears that Kerry has been working with Lavrov on the language and details of the initiative.

I don't live in a world of unicorns, but I do hope that a diplomatic solution is reached. It also changes nothing for the civilians caught in the civil war. IMHO, I hope there is a proposal on humanitarian relief jointly sponsored by the US and Russia.

Hezbollah and the AQ sympathizers are then more than welcome to continue reducing their own numbers through conventional means.

I do have to chuckle at the spin machines on both sides of this.  I was reading an article on a conservative news site and it was all about Kerry flubbed by giving Syria an out and Putin called his bluff and backed the administration in a corner.  every other word about obama failing.

Then the liberal media talking of Obama's brilliance in structuring this deal with Putin ahead of time at the summit and on and on.

Obviously I have no clue what is true, but with the net effect of a path that doesn't involve US military intervention on the table I'm very pleased with the result.  So gaff or intentional I don't really care; well done team Obama.

I do have to chuckle at the spin machines on both sides of this.  I was reading an article on a conservative news site and it was all about Kerry flubbed by giving Syria an out and Putin called his bluff and backed the administration in a corner.  every other word about obama failing.

Then the liberal media talking of Obama's brilliance in structuring this deal with Putin ahead of time at the summit and on and on.

Obviously I have no clue what is true, but with the net effect of a path that doesn't involve US military intervention on the table I'm very pleased with the result.  So gaff or intentional I don't really care; well done team Obama.