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2004-07-27 1:20 PM
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I was on vacation last week.  (Until today.  It sucks to be back in the real world...) While there, I read a couple of books on Ironman-ing:  Going Long by Friel and Byrne and Training Plans for Multisport Athletes by Bernhardt (Gale not Sandra).  I enjoyed the theory and the approach that Going Long talks about, but thought that I would prefer a touch more guidance as far as creating a plan than what they give, so TPfMA worked out perfectly.  There is also a great section on nutrition in TPfMA.  Just in case you were considering buying any books to facilitate your new goal. 

Also, I am going to (pretty much) follow the 26-week Ironman plan in Bernhardt's book.  My 26 weeks starts on 11-Oct!



2004-07-27 1:23 PM
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I just ordered Bernhardt's book a few days ago.  I need to see if a crazy 26-week plan is even doable before I decide to take the plunge.  I've heard others say they really like her plans.  More power to you for diving in!
2004-07-27 1:25 PM
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Phil, Max, and glf33, you guys are great! Good luck with the training and racing and keep us all posted on how it's going. I am in awe of anyone who even attempts, much less completes, an Ironman race! Good work guys.
2004-07-27 1:31 PM
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Ellen, just to give you a preview (and since I have the book at my desk) here is the first week:

M: Strength 1:15

T: Swim 1:00/Run 0:30

W: Strength 1:15

T: Swim 1:00/Run 0:30

F: Bike 1:00

S: Swim 1:00/Run 1:00

S: Bike 1:00

Total Time week 1 - 9:30.  She says you should look at that and say, "that looks easy".  The plan builds from there to a 6 hour ride and a 3 hour run.  Largest volume is 18:15 in the week you do your 6 hour ride and 3 hour run.

Nothing to it, right Max?

2004-07-27 1:39 PM
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Phil,
What does your long week look like? I know the first few weeks are base building, then the long stuff.
Are you getting excited? I wake up in a cold sweat every now and then thinking "what the hell have I gotten into" I occasionally look at the finishers who finshed at 16:59:.... I look at their split times and think "I can do that" and that makes me feel better, but then I go on a long ride and feel like my legs are going to fall off. How has your training for the Half IM been?
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2004-07-27 1:57 PM
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There is not a day that goes by that I do not think about it.  I have a white board in my office and I wrote IMAZ - 9-APR-05 36 WEEKS.  Every Monday, I come in and change the number of weeks left. 

The IM Program:  She has all the long stuff on the weekends.  Friel and Byrne didn't like this, but I live in the real world, where the biggest chunks of time that I have are on the weekends.  Typically, there is nothing longer than 1:30 in any discipline during the week, and the 2-a-days almost always include a swim as one of the two.

Half IM:  After having completed my Olympic last Sunday, I was on vacation all last week, so I used that time as a "recharger" week.  I either ran or rode each morning, but didn't go extremely long.  I have seven weeks til the half, and I am going after it again this week.  My body feels great, so I am looking forward to three great weeks of training! 

Tom, what training plan (or have you decided) are you going to follow for IMAZ?



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2004-07-27 2:05 PM
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does it give distances or just times?  I spent 42 minutes in the pool this morning and I think an hour would just push me over the edge.  It's just so damn boring.

And what about rest days?  I see there are none in the first week.  Please tell me I'd eventually get to rest!

2004-07-27 2:24 PM
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Hey Phil,
Right now I have a tri coach www.tripower.com The coach is Mike Plumb, he is in my Tri club. I wanted to feel him out with my sprints this summer before I committed on an IM plan. I knew who he was, but he didn't know me. So this last week he was asked to lead the IM group at our club meeting. I took that time to grill him on IM questions I had and questions I already knew the answers to. I was really impressed with his answers. If all goes well with my remaining races I will use him for the IM. I have two other options. Multisports.com. They have a 27 week program, 24 prerace and 3 post race. The thing with MS is they have the same program whether you are new to IM or have done 10+ IM's. But Paul Huddle is one of the main coaches and he is the one of the race directors for IMAZ (If that means anything at all???). The other option is using the free training program my triclub has. The mileages are a bit much, but they are set up so that if you follow the program you will finish strong. The first week however is 8,000-10,000 yards swimming, 110-120 miles riding and 27-30 miles of running....ouch.
2004-07-27 2:27 PM
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Ellen,
I'm sure Phil's plan will some rest days figured in. You couldn't train 26 weeks, 7 days a week. That would be harder than the race
hopefully you will join us in the whole IM thang!
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2004-07-27 2:31 PM
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There are some explicit days off, but most of the time, Monday, which is the Strength Training day throughout the program, is treated as a day off, since you are spending an hour but not doing anything aerobic.  That's what I get from it.  You could always switch the strength day to another day and take an entire day off, though.
2004-07-27 2:37 PM
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I found this article on IM nutritition I thought could be helpful

http://trinewbies.com/Printpage.asp?ArticleID=100

What I liked about the article is that the times are about double my Half IM times so the calories spent should be about right for me.


2004-07-27 3:03 PM
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hopefully you will join us in the whole IM thang! Tom

well, it's on my list of things to do    I need to finish school first.  3 more semesters and that's all folks.  So I am planning on the Great Floridian in October '06.  That will give me late spring, all of summer, and early fall for training.  Perfect for me in my new life as a teacher.  Now to just finish those 3 semesters and get a job.......

oh, and I suppose I should find out what's wrong with my left knee.  The synvisc did not help (although it worked wonders for the right one) and right now I could not do the running required to train for an IM.  I'm kind of scared to find out what's wrong, but will have to go see the orthopod soon.



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2004-07-27 3:10 PM
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far flung future plans.....

I had originally thought I'd do 2 years of Olys, then 2 years of 1/2 IMs.  My son would then be out of high school, off to college and I'd train for an IM. 

Well, I was watching the live feed from Lake Placid on my computer the other day, and I was overwhelmed by the number of people that crossed the line holding the hands of their small children.  Some even had newborn babies in their arms.

So I asked my son (who is now 14, 6' tall, and about 200 pounds) if he would hold my hand and cross the finish line with me.  "You bet I would!" was his reply.  He even had a gleam in his eye    So I started thinking that maybe I should do an IM before he's out of high school?  Who knows, crazier things have happened.

2004-07-27 4:25 PM
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My plan was to do nothing but sprints. Then I did an International and realized it was half of a half IM and I could do a half IM. I saw my first half IM and was hooked. Last year I knew I wanted to do one and in two years do a full IM. So this year I did a half and my training buddies and I were so excited they (we) decided to do a full in 2005.
I have two small children Sean (2) and Lauren (5 going on 17) and my wife was not thrilled about me training for a half more or less a full.
Since it's hard for her to carry the kids to all my tris she doesn't get a chance to go to many. Therefore she was not too impressed by triathlons or how hard they are. But she went to my half. I had friends there that helped occupy my kids so my wife could actually watch the race. On my first lap of the run I saw my wife and kids and smiled and chatted a little. Somewhere between my first lap and second lap my wife noticed someone throwing up on themself, many people pulling up with cramps or pulls and countless bloody nipples! Needless to say that when I came cruising by for the second lap still with that silly "I'm going to finish" smile on my face she then realized all my training paid off. She hustled to the finish line so she could hand the kids off to me as I finished, but one of the kids needed to use the restroom and they were gone when I got to the finish line. I think my wife was more upset about that than me (because I was in a fog) and she felt so guilty that I think she gave in to the IM just so she can see me finish.
My wife is studying to be a teacher as well and I want to finish this IM before she really gets into her schooling.
2004-07-27 4:40 PM
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What attracted my to Bernhardt's plans were 1) Each workout is prescribed, such as Zone 1 or Zone 1 and 2, etc. so that your easy days and hard days and technique days are addressed and 2) Strength Training is a part of the program, and I think that will really help me on the bike and the swim.
2004-07-27 4:40 PM
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What attracted my to Bernhardt's plans were 1) Each workout is prescribed, such as Zone 1 or Zone 1 and 2, etc. so that your easy days and hard days and technique days are addressed and 2) Strength Training is a part of the program, and I think that will really help me on the bike and the swim.


2004-07-27 4:45 PM
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Don't know how or why you guys do it! I might consider a half ironman one of these days if I can drastically improve my swimming. But having done nine marathons and over a dozens centuries, I could not imagine doing a full Ironman. I did a century ten days ago, finished after a little over five hours on the bike, and felt great at the end. But no way could I, would I, have felt like starting a marathon.

Just curious, did any of you run a marathon or ride a century before you started training for an Ironman?
2004-07-27 4:56 PM
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I haven't done either a marathon or a century or, for that matter, a 2.4 mile swim.  In point of fact, the longest continuous swim I have done is 1500 meters in open water as part of an Olympic triathlon and 1600 meters in the pool; the longest run I have done is 13.5 mile and the longest bike I have done is 56 miles.  You could say I might be getting into more than I should handle, but my three closest triathlon friends are all signed up, so I'm going, too. 

The why is a lot easier than the how.  I am doing it because I can't think of a more impressive athletic accomplishment for the non-professional athlete than an Ironman Triathlon.  I enjoy the training and I enjoy being fit and able to do things that I once thought were impossible.  And I want to be a part of the Ironman experience.  How is what I hope to figure out along the way.

2004-07-27 5:05 PM
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it's so much easier to train when the kids are older.  My oldes is moving out next month and I may finally be able to get a decent night's rest, instead of waiting up for her all the time.

What is your wife going to teach?  I am going to do elementary grades.  I also want to move to NH and be a ski instructor on the weekends.  All that after Matt graduates from high school, he does not want to move to NH.  Go figure.

2004-07-27 5:07 PM
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Impressive, no doubt.

Maybe it's better if you don't know what a marathon feels like. I wonder if anyone's ever done a survey as to how many Ironman participants completed the three separate distances prior to registering. I have a friend of mine who's doing Ironman Florida and has never run a marathon. He's young, very capable, and has ridden several centuries.

How far do you plan on training in each discipline?
2004-07-27 5:09 PM
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I like Byrne and Friel's book. It's worth a read if you're doing any long course tri - from 1/2 to full IM distance.


2004-07-27 5:10 PM
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I haven't done either a marathon or a century or, for that matter, a 2.4 mile swim. 

hmmm....I've done several marathons, many 50+ rides, and regularly swim over a mile.  BUT NEVER IN THE SAME FREAKIN' DAY!!!

My friend who beats the pants of me in sprints was 16:21:-- for LP.  I just don't know if I want to spend 17 hours doing something that may never be fun again after that kind of experience.  I need to speak with her about it and then think about it some more.

Of course the idea of just being able to say I did it by far outweighs all the negatives.

2004-07-27 5:16 PM
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The plan calls for a 6 hour ride, which should be roughly the race distance, if not a little more - depending on my proficiency on the bike by then.  3 hour run, although Friel and Byrne do not recommend exceeding 2.5 hours, which should be 20+ miles for me.  So I might just cap it at 20 miles.  And on the swim I am going to do at least a couple 4000 meter swims (2.4 miles = 3862 meters) in the pool and maybe try to find somewhere to do a long open water swim.

Bernhardt's and Friel/Byrne's book are very congruent.  (She often refers to Triathlete Training Bible.)  The key difference is that she builds the plan for you day by day, where you are left to do that yourself by Friel/Byrne.



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I have never run a marathon before and my longest run is about 16 miles, swim is 3000 yards (in a pool) and bike is about 75 miles. I rode 72 on Sat and about died. I asked my coach about running a marathon before the IM. I was thinking about doing the RnR in Jan. He said that I don't need to unless I want to do it just so I know I can, but the negatives far outway the positives.
1) Marathons are hard. How you feel after you finish might discourage you from doing an IM.
2) Training for the marathon would get in the way of the IM training. You figure about 4 weeks out, you would need to focus on just running, then you would taper, then for at least a week after the race you won't be in the mood to train at all. That's a month without Tri training.
3) The run in an IM is different than the marathon. In a marathon you plan to run the whole thing. In an IM even the pro's walk some of the aid stations, you plan on walking some, so your pace is different.
So yes I'm worried but I think I can keep moving for 14+ hours!!!
2004-07-27 5:31 PM
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Your all lucky your old enough to do an Ironman . If they have an age cut off for youth why dont they have them for old people (Im not making fun of old people)?
Good luck on your quest to an ironman

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