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2012-05-31 12:09 PM

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Subject: Are you really outraged?
 
Does this actually make you, or anyone you know mad?  I keep hearing about the "breastfeeding" in public controversy, and how people are "outraged" but I do not know a single person that is outraged.  Do you?  Is the media making a mountain out of a mole hill? 
 


2012-05-31 12:15 PM
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Yes but only because your username keeps reminding me of Captain and Tennille.

Well, I also disagree with breastfeeding in uniform as well as any other non-military duty in uniform. If they were in civilian clothing I wouldn't care one way or the other.

2012-05-31 12:17 PM
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Yeah, I think it's the uniform that does it. I have no issue with women breastfeeding in public. I just don't watch.
2012-05-31 12:19 PM
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Not outraged at all, it's obvious that these two women are well versed in how to share a lane in a swimming pool, they know how to flip turn, they shower before entering the pool, and their husbands (oops don't mean to jump to conclusions...father of their children) shaves his legs.  Breast feeding isn't even a blip on the radar.
2012-05-31 12:19 PM
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DanielG - 2012-05-31 1:15 PM

Well, I also disagree with breastfeeding in uniform as well as any other non-military duty in uniform. If they were in civilian clothing I wouldn't care one way or the other.

I think the image is kind of cool, actually.  Camo uniforms contrasted with this loving nurturing act.  However, there are rules about how/where to wear a uniform.

BUT, it's not particularly practical to ask a woman to change her whole outfit to feed her infant, is it?  I don't plan to breastfeed purely because it's not practical with the job I do, but I think a woman should be allowed to decide herself if it is worth the hassle (pumping, storing milk, etc) and feed a baby when it needs to be fed.  I'm a little torn on this particular issue...

2012-05-31 12:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Are you really outraged?
Is there a rule against breast feeding in uniform? Are they supposed to change their clothes before they breast feed? I don't get it.


2012-05-31 12:24 PM
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mehaner - 2012-05-31 1:19 PM

DanielG - 2012-05-31 1:15 PM

Well, I also disagree with breastfeeding in uniform as well as any other non-military duty in uniform. If they were in civilian clothing I wouldn't care one way or the other.

I think the image is kind of cool, actually.  Camo uniforms contrasted with this loving nurturing act.  However, there are rules about how/where to wear a uniform.

BUT, it's not particularly practical to ask a woman to change her whole outfit to feed her infant, is it?  I don't plan to breastfeed purely because it's not practical with the job I do, but I think a woman should be allowed to decide herself if it is worth the hassle (pumping, storing milk, etc) and feed a baby when it needs to be fed.  I'm a little torn on this particular issue...



Completely and utterly irrelevant. There are rules for the uniform, literally laws for military, the UCMJ. They know it, they signed up for it and they're briefed on it.

Civilian clothing, don't give a damn. In uniform, take it to your house, your office, outside of public places.

Hell, it's violation to have it unbuttoned in public, no headgear off a flightline, untucked undershirt, etc so this is not even close to being a gray area.

2012-05-31 12:25 PM
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Subject: RE: Are you really outraged?
It doesn't bother me.  But yes, I know plenty of people who are outraged over public breastfeeding.  The women's uniform would be the least of their complaints. 
2012-05-31 12:25 PM
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lisac957 - 2012-05-31 1:21 PM

Is there a rule against breast feeding in uniform? Are they supposed to change their clothes before they breast feed? I don't get it.


There are rules about how the uniform is to be worn in public. These ladies are not within the standards. Simple.

Civilian clothings, who cares. This isn't civilian clothing. They know the UCMJ and if they don't, an article 15 for failure to comply would make it apparent they should get to know it.

2012-05-31 12:26 PM
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I looked closely, I didn't see a mole
2012-05-31 12:28 PM
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2012-05-31 12:29 PM
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DanielG - 2012-05-31 12:25 PM
lisac957 - 2012-05-31 1:21 PM Is there a rule against breast feeding in uniform? Are they supposed to change their clothes before they breast feed? I don't get it.
There are rules about how the uniform is to be worn in public. These ladies are not within the standards. Simple. Civilian clothings, who cares. This isn't civilian clothing. They know the UCMJ and if they don't, an article 15 for failure to comply would make it apparent they should get to know it.

Got it. 
So what's the solution/protocol for a woman in uniform who is breast feeding?  



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2012-05-31 12:29 PM
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Subject: RE: Are you really outraged?
lisac957 - 2012-05-31 1:21 PM

Is there a rule against breast feeding in uniform? Are they supposed to change their clothes before they breast feed? I don't get it.


Likely not specifically in regard to breast feeding - but there are, generally speaking, rules regarding your conduct at all times when in uniform, and I'd say that regardless of your reason for doing it; exposing your breasts in any way while in uniform would fly against a good number of those rules. I doubt any woman would do it in a board room in their business suit; the military uniform is no different - they just don't get cushy chairs in a board room. It's all about "there's a time and place for everything" - and when in uniform is not the time, regardless of the place.


Aside from the uniforms, I have no issue with this at all. It's a perfectly normal thing - and bewbs are beautiful to see
2012-05-31 12:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Are you really outraged?
lisac957 - 2012-05-31 1:29 PM

DanielG - 2012-05-31 12:25 PM
lisac957 - 2012-05-31 1:21 PM Is there a rule against breast feeding in uniform? Are they supposed to change their clothes before they breast feed? I don't get it.
There are rules about how the uniform is to be worn in public. These ladies are not within the standards. Simple. Civilian clothings, who cares. This isn't civilian clothing. They know the UCMJ and if they don't, an article 15 for failure to comply would make it apparent they should get to know it.

Got it. 
So what's the solution for a woman in uniform who is breast feeding?  



Pre-pump and bring a bottle, or retreat to a private area for feeding. It's not complicated.
2012-05-31 12:34 PM
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As a country, we certainly have our underwear in a bunch.

2012-05-31 12:37 PM
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lisac957 - 2012-05-31 1:29 PM

DanielG - 2012-05-31 12:25 PM
lisac957 - 2012-05-31 1:21 PM Is there a rule against breast feeding in uniform? Are they supposed to change their clothes before they breast feed? I don't get it.
There are rules about how the uniform is to be worn in public. These ladies are not within the standards. Simple. Civilian clothings, who cares. This isn't civilian clothing. They know the UCMJ and if they don't, an article 15 for failure to comply would make it apparent they should get to know it.

Got it. 
So what's the solution/protocol for a woman in uniform who is breast feeding?  



I doubt very seriously they have the kiddos at work with them. If they're in the day care center, perhaps that might have an out of the way place. If they're at home, they can do whatever the heck they want behind closed doors.

Considering you're not allowed to wear the working uniform except for "short stops for gas and quick shopping" to and from work, this shouldn't be an issue and I have no idea why someone would want to be photographed out of uniform that horribly.

I don't give a damn about the breasts feeding. I do wonder about those soldiers' professionalism if they're that willing to ignore the UCMJ, though.



2012-05-31 12:38 PM
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Subject: RE: Are you really outraged?

I think the people who know the rule are outraged because a rule is being broken.
And the people who are outraged at the outrage aren't aware of the rule, or don't agree with it.

Now that I know the rule, yeah, not so cool in uniform.

But I do appreciate the symbolism of a woman soldier who is also a mother, which was probably the original intent. 

2012-05-31 12:38 PM
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Cuetoy - 2012-05-31 1:34 PM

As a country, we certainly have our underwear in a bunch.



Well at least two of our soldiers do and they've got pics to prove it. Unfortunately.

2012-05-31 1:11 PM
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Subject: RE: Are you really outraged?
Yeah. Because this is a candid shot. Not staged at all. Nope. GET ANGRY RAWWWWRRRR!!!
2012-05-31 1:15 PM
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Yes I am outraged (warning: sexist sentence to follow) that those darn kids are in the way

2012-05-31 1:26 PM
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ChrisM - 2012-05-31 2:15 PM

Yes I am outraged (warning: sexist sentence to follow) that those darn kids are in the way

Agreed.

 



2012-05-31 1:44 PM
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I'm outraged. Who bought twins matching leopard print outfits? That's a crime IMO.
2012-05-31 1:54 PM
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JoshR - 2012-05-31 1:44 PM

I'm outraged. Who bought twins matching leopard print outfits? That's a crime IMO.


A crime of fashion! Talk about a UCMJ offense!
2012-05-31 1:54 PM
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This kind of thread is close to home for me. My work schedule is 24 hours on, 48 hours off. I made enough to feed two children the entire time I nursed each child (15 months per kid). The amount of milk I produced became painful at times, and I was never able to tell someone " I'm sorry you're having a heart attack, I'll be back in twenty minutes when I'm done pumping." I never said "Okay guys, let's let this one burn, I have to pump." AND if my husband came by the station, I fed a hungry child while in uniform. HOWEVER, I did not lift my shirt within sight of others while in uniform. I just don't believe it is professional. I also REFUSED to EVER feed my child in a bathroom. There are always options between those two extremes, and at the very least (yeah it's a pain in the royal arse) get a cover. A camo cover would be pretty dang cool! My opinion on the image - yeah, it's hard to be a woman in uniform and nurse an infant. I enjoy the point that it makes that it IS possible to be a mother and in the military because it is difficult. Am I outraged? Nah. Not my job to police others, and if I happened to see women like that when I'm out and about with my kids, then I'll explain to them what they're seeing (if they ask), and explain to them what I believe. I will also explain to them that others don't always see as I do, but that it's okay to have different beliefs.

To the person that said pump - it isn't always an option IF a woman wants to breastfeed. Yeah I know there are arguments for and against, but I try to respect the choice of every mother.

I'm not well versed enough in the ucmj to teach my kids why that picture is against the rules, but if I were, that would be part of the discussion I held with them. And I do agree that rules are rules. How can we teach our kids about the rules if we're being selective about which ones we follow? Especially when the military is involved.

I totally agree with the poster that said we have our panties in a wad as a country. They're just boobs. That's what half the population sees in the mirror every morning, and what the other half is dreaming about if they don't see a pair first hand in the morning anyway.

2012-05-31 1:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Are you really outraged?
JoshR - 2012-05-31 1:44 PM

I'm outraged. Who bought twins matching leopard print outfits? That's a crime IMO.


A crime of fashion! Talk about a UCMJ offense!
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