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2013-11-20 3:33 AM

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Went to bed at 10:15.

Awake at 1:30

Gave up at 2:45

Today is going to suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



2013-11-20 5:37 AM
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It does get old.  For the last 8 months, I've had it happening 3-5 nights a week.

 

2013-11-20 6:31 AM
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Lifelong insomniac unless I do a lot of working out to actually get physically tired (thus lifelong endurance sports addict). My diehard cure is swimming. Can you join an evening master's group? Or get in evening hours at the pool? There's something about strenuous exertion plus being in the water that puts me out like a light. PM runs and rides do not have this effect and actually keep me up longer, only swimming works. I don't know if it works for other people, though.

The other thing that matters for me is what I do in the last half hour or so before bed. It can't be work, TV, even BT or a video. I read a book, one that's not wildly exciting. I believe there's been some research that TV, movies or computer use just before bedtime can contribute to sleep difficulties, so it must not be n=1 in this case.

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2013-11-20 6:41 AM
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Yep, monthly insomnia for me since forever. Last night up at 3 to go to the bathroom then never really went back to sleep. Definitely sucks. I started taking Melatonin during these sleepless cycles and it really helps.

2013-11-20 7:50 AM
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Melatonin works sometimes for me. 

As far as a late evening swim, Our pool closes at seven and I don't hit town until 6:30 after 12-14 hours at work right now.  If I work out after 7:30, I usually can't go to bed until 11:00 and my alarm is 4:45, but rarely use the alarm.

 

2013-11-20 8:16 AM
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It happens in long cycles to me, and then I'll sleep ok for a few weeks. Repeat. I have an as yet untouched bottle of Ambien, but since going to sleep isn't the problem, I don't think it will help anything.

My tricks are to not turn on the TV after I wake up - Books or internet only. Also, no food. The idea is to try and fall back asleep, but if it's not happening by 4:30am or so, I give up. Dogs get their longest morning walks on those days, so they're thrilled to see me when I'm at my crankiest.


2013-11-20 8:17 AM
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It is sooooo frustrating to me to be lying in bed not sleeping thinking about how much I need to sleep because the next day will be so much worse if I don't sleep. For me, I have NO problem falling asleep - it's the staying asleep that I struggle with.

I have done some research on this....couple of things that I do: 1) exercise (on the days that I don't raise my HR, I definitely notice that the quality of my sleep suffers) and 2) if you haven't fallen back asleep after 30 minutes of starting at the ceiling - get up. Go do something else until you feel sleepy again.

2013-11-20 9:45 AM
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Things that can help:

Not drinking alcohol

Reducing caffeine consumption, and eliminating it after 2pm

Working out earlier in the day (not training after 4pm)

Going to bed and getting up at the same time each day

Making sure you're properly fueled after your last workout of the day and not too hungry when you go to bed

Taking a warm shower or bath (though in the summer it could be that a cool one helps more)

Having an orgasm (seriously)

Do nothing in bed except sleep and sex--reading a paper book may be OK, but no tv, no computer/pad, no text. 

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One of the first warning signs of overreaching for me is waking up between 1:30-2 and having night sweats (like sheets soaked sweats).  I don't know if this could be part of your problem, but thought I'd throw it out there as I discovered last year it's not all that uncommon in endurance athletes doing a period of high volume or intensity.

 

2013-11-20 12:04 PM
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For those who get stuck in the cycle of obsessing over NOT being a sleep, so much that you can't fall asleep, I really recommend learning to meditate.  I focus on my breathing (literally say, in my head, "in, out, in, out") and put the thoughts aside. Only then can I get back to sleep.  I am sure that insomnia as a condition is very complex, but I really think meditation is worth trying. 

2013-11-20 1:09 PM
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Meditation is breath in - breath out - breathe   SQUIRREL!!!!!!  Then I am done for about 20 minutes.  ;-)

2013-11-20 2:17 PM
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Life long rotating shift worker.

We already have exercise taken care of.

Benydryl helps me go to sleep, melatonin helps me stay/go back to sleep. And not that cheap Walgreens crap... go to any health store and get something good. I have recently went to Solar drops, cherry flavor... the best I have had. Sleep like a baby.

I never use "dope". Strict caffeine cut off of 6 hours before bed..... strict caffeine intake upon rising.



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2013-11-20 4:45 PM
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Originally posted by flip18436572

Meditation is breath in - breath out - breathe   SQUIRREL!!!!!!  Then I am done for about 20 minutes.  ;-)

My mom taught me to meditate by relaxing parts of my body, from toes up to my head.

I don't get super distracted, because the thought process flows (toes, feet, ankles, calves) but it helps me relax.

2013-11-20 9:07 PM
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Originally posted by AcesFull

Long time, no post.  Wandered back to BT today to see this.  Background, I am a clinical psychologist and am board certified in behavioral sleep medicine (CBSM).  Insomnia is very treatable, and without meds, but really does require an expert, as many professionals give bad advice (sleep hygiene, misuse of melatonin, overuse of sleep meds and many other mistakes). 

If you have insomnia, find a CBSM in your area.  We can help.  Seriously. 

Dude, nice to see you back.

SERIOUSLY... part with some knowledge on meletonin. Because it works for me, but I take it all the time... well for years now, and I do not think it is good to take anything forever... yet I do. What are long term effects for meletonin use?

2013-11-21 4:43 AM
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Originally posted by AcesFull

Long time, no post.  Wandered back to BT today to see this.  Background, I am a clinical psychologist and am board certified in behavioral sleep medicine (CBSM).  Insomnia is very treatable, and without meds, but really does require an expert, as many professionals give bad advice (sleep hygiene, misuse of melatonin, overuse of sleep meds and many other mistakes). 

If you have insomnia, find a CBSM in your area.  We can help.  Seriously. 




What I'm trying to work out is whether waking up after five hours of sleep even counts as insomnia - I keep reading that you need less sleep as you get older, so maybe the bod is waking up because it's had enough rest? Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.
2013-11-24 1:36 AM
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I had a bad bought 10 years ago when I was on the night shift. I managed to stay away from nights until a month ago and BAM, here it is again. So frustrating. I actually start to fall asleep and when I feel sleep coming on..I wake up. That infuriates me and makes it worse. I have 2 more months on nights then should be back to days. The last time this happened it took me about a year to get my sleep back to normal.
On the bright side, I am not as concerned as last time. As difficult as t is, it'll get better when I get back to day shift.
Unfortunately, I have had no luck with OTC's. Only prescriptions.
I'm due for my yearly physical. I will see if I can get referred to a sleep specialist.


2013-11-24 2:30 AM
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Originally posted by alltom1
Originally posted by AcesFull

Long time, no post.  Wandered back to BT today to see this.  Background, I am a clinical psychologist and am board certified in behavioral sleep medicine (CBSM).  Insomnia is very treatable, and without meds, but really does require an expert, as many professionals give bad advice (sleep hygiene, misuse of melatonin, overuse of sleep meds and many other mistakes). 

If you have insomnia, find a CBSM in your area.  We can help.  Seriously. 

What I'm trying to work out is whether waking up after five hours of sleep even counts as insomnia - I keep reading that you need less sleep as you get older, so maybe the bod is waking up because it's had enough rest? Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

Never heard we "need" less sleep.... we just "get" less sleep.... well, "they". Cause I'm not old.

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