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2009-07-15 8:19 PM

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So, I just got an e-mail from my triathlon group saying that they are going to be training for Ironman Switzerland next year (race is August 1, 2010) and they'd like members to sign up so that we can all do this race as a team. 

I just finished my first sprint triathlon at the end of June and I have an Olympic distance scheduled for September 27th. 

Is it totally crazy to think that I could make the switch from Sprint to Ironman in a year?  Should I just put this on the back burner for a couple of years from now?  Or, if I really dedicate myself to the training, do you think it's possible to do this without burning out?


2009-07-15 8:22 PM
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Do you want to do an ironman?   Do you want to do one next season?  Or are you just interested because a bunch of people have  signed up for it (nothing wrong with that).   

No idea if you could do it or not or get burnt out, but Ironman is truly something you want to have to do, and acknowledge the huge time and training commitment it will require. 
2009-07-15 8:23 PM
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considering the fact we have little information on your previous results, your workouts, and or experience in tri's its hard to say.

 

I'd say GO FOR IT!  If you have a group to train for then yeah sure.  I would definately schedule 70.3 prior to the IM.

 

GOOD LUCk!

2009-07-15 8:31 PM
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To answer some of the questions, I have no idea how many people from my group have signed up.  At this point, I would only assume the coaches are signed up, but I'd be making this decision for myself.  Obviously, it'd be a lot easier to train with more workout partners. 

Also, I know that I don't use the logs on BT so you don't have a lot to go on.  I blog about my workouts (link is in my signature) and I find that more helpful personally than using these logs.  In general, I'd say that I've been working out an average of an hour a day, 6 days a week.  I'm actually working on increasing that right now to gear up for my Olympic in September.   
2009-07-15 8:33 PM
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Umm the best way to "get through" ironman training is to have a group that keeps you accountable.  A year is plenty of time to get ready and if you got a good group to train with then DO IT! I personally couldn't do all the training without my partners...Go for it!  Getting to the line is the hardest part and training partners make it easier.

2009-07-15 8:37 PM
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Terrier Tri would be a good team to go with "judging by your jersey."

I did all sprints in 2005 and signed up for IMFL in 2006. I got a coach so I didn't have to freak out about what to do to get me there. Worked out pretty well. It's totally do-able you just can't slack off!

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2009-07-15 8:50 PM
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Sound like fun.  I'd do it if I was single without kids, had lots of time and extra cash for the travel Smile

But seriously, only you can answer if you're physically capably of doing Ironman in a year.  Here's a question to consider: are you ready to jump from 8 hours (I'm guessing) of training per week to 15-18 hours a week? 

The longer events are all about the time (in the water, in the saddle, and on your feet).
2009-07-15 9:05 PM
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I'm basically doing exactly that.  But as some else said, you can't slack off.  I didn't have a cycling or running base or background to rely on, so there was really no wiggle room.  I had to go all in on my training.  And the consistency was huge in order minimalize my risk of injury.
2009-07-15 9:25 PM
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You can do it, and maybe with your tri group it will be fun, but I think you will have a much more rewarding experience if you wait. In my own case, my first IM was my 26th triathlon, and was preceded by 11 half-irons; it was in 5th season. (Also, I had completed 6 stand-alone marathons prior to tacking one on after 2.4 miles of swimming and 112 miles of biking.) I know that nowadays that kind of gradual progression is quite rare, but I wouldn't change anything if I had it to do all over again.

I can't say the iron was a breeze - it was Lake Placid, and at 55 I finished in 12:57. Nevertheless, I went in with full confidence that I had my nutrition mostly nailed, and I had certainly paid my dues in terms of long runs and rides in perparation for all of those half-irons (as well as the marathons).

A half-iron, however, is NOT half of an iron in anything other than precise distance equivalents. Those half-irons I did only provided an approximate idea of what a full iron would feel like.

All that said, with discipline, determination, and support you CAN do it, and you may even find that it is a distance that works well for you. But from your photo you look admirably young, and by saying that all I'm suggesting is that you likely have many years in which to eventually compete at - and succeed at - the 140.6. Take the time to enjoy the trip there every step of the way, and I'm sure that you will have a very rewarding experience when you finally get there.

Best of luck, whichever path you choose to follow!

2009-07-15 10:16 PM
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I don't know what kind of shape you are in but I started off in bad shape this year (barely able to run 1mile on a treadmill in January) and have done a couple of sprints.  I'm wanting to do an Olympic distance in September.

Maybe to prepare yourself before you sign up, see if you can atleast do each invidual sport (swim, bike, run) by itself.  Such as one day swim 2.4 miles, another day bike 112 (if not more since you'll be tired from the swim) miles and then run 26.2+ miles on another day.

I think the swim would be most important to know you can do.  If you can't do the bike or run you can always drop out during the race.
2009-07-15 10:56 PM
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I would think you should really want to do an Ironman to sign up for one. I always thought of Ironman training something that needs extreme dedication and time management to train for, much more than a Marathon (which I have done) or a shorter tri. Not that I have done an IM, just as an observer.

I see from your blog that you are serious and dedicated. Have you considered a 70.3 between your Olympic and and Ironman? Do you know anything about the course? Switzerland is quite mountainous. Best of luck whatever you decide. I'll be cheering for you in Westchester!


2009-07-16 2:34 AM
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I agree with everyone that you really should have a DESIRE to do an Ironman before forking over the money. If not, the training could become a chore and the experience could turn you off to Ironmans forever, which, in my opinion, would be a great pity.

That said, if you really do want to do one, you can 100% do it. As long as you are not horribly prone to injury and you are smart about training (lots of hour but NOT TOO MUCH to prevent overuse injuries). Take the case of Brian Breen: he saw coverage of Jon Blais, an IM finisher with ALS, and was so inspired that he entered the lottery for Kona, got in, and went from a 'kind of out of shape, non-trained regular guy...to an Ironman in 5 or 6 months' to help raise awareness for ALS. (Check out coverage at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEU2fFpIltQ- or youtube 'IRONMAN Hawai 2006' - and yes, Hawaii is spelled wrong).

Anyway, I think if you watch that and follow Brian's story, you will have no doubt that you can do it if you truly want to.

Good luck with your decision!
2009-07-16 2:49 AM
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Yep, you can do it.  I did.  I did my first ever sprint in July of 07 and did IMFL in Nov 08.  I was in no way close to IM ready when I decided to do mine.  Just started swimming and had only been on a rode bike for a month.  You have plenty of time to train and you have a support from your tri group and BT.  The only thing left is to decide if you want to do it.  Like everyone said before me, you've got to want it.  Good luck and let us know what you decide.

2009-07-16 8:26 AM
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Ironman is all about the training.  If you can put in the time to train properly (and a training group will definitely make those hours go by faster), then the race is a fun day.  Miss the training and you can still finish, but it'll be a pretty miserable experience.  Train too hard and you find yourself injured and unable to even start the race. 

People suggest the sprint>OLY>HIM>IM progression mostly for mental reasons (it seems "natural" or "logical")  If you're more suited for long-course training/racing (you'd rather run half-marathons and marathons than 5K's) then feel free to skip the short courses and sign up for the IM. 

I was running in a 50-mile trail run this spring and talking to some fellow runners.  This was our first ultra (and apparently not an easy ultra).  I completely skipped over the half-marathon,  marathon, and 50K as "intermediate" steps.  My longest running only race was a 15K although I did do a half-ironman.  Did I miss out?  I don't think so.  I still haven't run a stand-alone marathon (my second marathon distance was the third leg of Ironman Coeur D'Alene last month). 

What have I found out?  I'm probably much more suited to long-course events.  I struggle to finish mid-pack in a 5K (my fastest 5K was 24:40 51st out of 125).   I finished the ultra 21st out of 85.  Sprint tri's?  Same thing.  I'm often in the 1/2-2/3's range even on my best races.  I was about 2/3 with IMCdA, but that was with a crash and broken collarbone during the race.  Someone asked me why I wasn't racing a sprint tri 2 weeks prior to IMCdA, and I told them it wasn't worth it.  The risk/benefit tradeoff just didn't make sense as nothing on the sprint was really going to help me with the Ironman. 

What is the timeframe to sign up?  Do you have time to do some long runs (2 hours) and long rides (3-4 hours)?  Do you enjoy that kind of training?  How quickly do you recover?  This is really the key to an IM, so if you can do this before commiting to race fees and travel, it makes sense. 

IMO, doing the race with friends after a year of training together is probably better than following some arbitrary progression. 

2009-07-16 8:09 PM
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OOPS!

When I wrote "admirably young" yesterday, what I meant to say was "enviably young"! (Now 60, I don't necessarily admire your youthfulness, but I sure do envy it!! )
2009-07-17 1:12 AM
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Did my first sprint last July 2008 - Doing my first Ironman at the end of Aug 2009.
Put the time into the training and no problems.


2009-07-17 1:32 AM
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If you really want to see what real life training for an ironman is like order this DVD from the link below. It chronicals three BT'ers year long struggle to juggle family and life with the demands of the intense training needed to complete an ironman. You can go from sprint to ironman in a year but you are going to have to live and breath it.


http://www.distancedvd.com/
2009-07-17 1:33 AM
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to the poster that said you need to be ready to train 18-20 hours a week, this is BS, plenty of epople do IM, and do well on 10-15 hours a week. some people do have lives outside of training.
2009-07-17 3:53 AM
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I did my first triathlon (sprint) in March this year and did an Ironman in June, so yes, it's possible.
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