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2007-02-10 12:08 AM

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Coach
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Subject: Debt
Having decided the my "emergency fund" was fully funded, I diverted that money into student loan payments instead. By that simple act, I decreased my payment schedule from 23 years down to 12 years. Cool Beans. There are other things I could have done with it, and in theory, at 3.25% interest, I'd be better off putting it in a CD or money market fund. But the burden of debt weighs an awful lot, so that's what I did. Discuss.


2007-02-10 12:39 AM
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Champion
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Subject: RE: Debt

I read somewhere recently that when the most recent judge was sworn into to Supreme Court, he was still making payments on his student loan.

If the only debt you have is your student loan, and you have enough money in savings to cover your emergency fund, and you are already contributing the max to your company's 401(k), then it's ok to pay it off early.

But, if you're not saving at all for the future, then it would have been better to put money into an acct getting better interest than what you're paying.  ING has 4.5 going right now.  (Shoot me a PM if you want an 'invite'... )

Unfortanately, most people (myself included) are carrying more debt than just their student loans, and most of that debt is at a significantly highter interest rate than any savings acct can give them, so it would make better sense to pay that off as quickly as possible (without sacrificing the emergency fund).

I have my various debts ranked in order of importance, and I'm paying them down as aggressively as I can, while still contributing to my 401(k) and banking some for emergencies.  My ultimate goal is to be debt free by Dec 31, 2008.  We'll see how that goes.
 

2007-02-10 5:45 AM
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Same boat here but a little behind you.  We're paying off moving debts and still trying to catch up to Katrina debts.  Once that's done and the emergency fund is filled up and 401k contributed to, we'll have to decide what to do with the rest.  In your mind it's easy to say that X investment generally returns Y% and should be where your money goes, but it's hard to look at that student loan number and not want that gone.  Same with the mortgage.

We don't always do what makes sense though. 

2007-02-10 6:06 AM
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I don't personally buy into Dave Ramsey's philosophy 100%, but his general financial advise is pretty solid.  Here are his basic recommendations.

http://www.daveramsey.com/etc/cms/index.cfm?intContentID=4123



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2007-02-10 7:27 AM
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If you can earn more than the interest on your student loan in investment, then your overall wealth throuh your lifetime is decreased if you pay back the loan.  Student loans are the cheapest loans out there.  If you invested very conservatively in a mutual fund or real estate, and gained only 4% per year, you still would make more money than paying off the loan. If you want to pay off your student loan earlier, invest in something that gains 8%, don't touch it, then take the profits from that and pay off your student loan.  Even with capital gains tax you would pay it off sooner.

  If the interest on the loan is more than you can earn by investing it (like credit card debt) it makes sense to pay it off.  At 18% interest, you aint gonna make that kinda money investing.

I have sizable student loans, but even in 3 years of attending salary and modest investments, I could pay off about half the student loan now if it were in my best financial interest.

 

2007-02-10 9:07 AM
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I'm a big Dave Ramsey fan too! All of you should listen. It gets you fired up and ready to get your financial rear in gear!


2007-02-10 9:47 AM
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Another DR fan here.  Solid stuff.  Yes, re: "debt snowball," other methods exist to accomplish same and they might even allow you to do so at a lower overal cost (not by much, though).  Via audio book (read by him) as well as the actual book/workbook, my wife and I are excited about soon having only a mortgage payment...and this for a much shorter period of time as we accelerate payments there too.
2007-02-10 12:49 PM
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I'll check out the Dave Ramsey stuff.

I suppose if I was in love with my job, didn't feel conspired against everyday, and wasn't constantly thinking about when I can quit medicine, I wouldn't mind having medical school debt. But the daily reminder of that burden is depressing. One of my classmates paid his loans off in his first year of work without putting anything towards savings. Now he's saving and has no student loan debt. that sounds attractive to me.

I know what the math says, but you can't ignore the overall emotional burden either.

Thanks for the thoughts!
2007-02-10 12:53 PM
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AdventureBear - 2007-02-10 9:49 AM


I know what the math says, but you can't ignore the overall emotional burden either.


amen.

2007-02-10 1:04 PM
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There are two aspects to consider: Emotional and logical. Sometimes emotion tumps logic. You associate your student loans with a job you don't enjoy. What if the same debt was linked to a home you love? Would you pay it off early? I don't know anything about your income level, but if you can still deduct student loan interest, there is no good reason to pay it off. Most of my clients who are health professionals make too much money to claim the deduction, and for them it may be worth considering.

I love to make my money work for me and help other people do the same. I own three duplexes, and I do not prepay principle, because it is tax deductible and all at 5.5% or less not taking into account the deduction. Rather than focusing on the debt, focus on your net worth. If you invest your excess cash in index funds, you are very likely going to have a higher net worth ten years from now compared to just prepaying principle on the student loans. The bottom line is that you may find that you have the ability to walk away from medicine sooner that way. We all want to follow our passion, right?

Mom always said, do what you love, the money will follow. I practiced law for 3.5 loooong years. Bought my investment properties when I had the nice salary. I am 2.5 years into enjoying my profession as a mortgage broker. Mom now would rather see me with a salary, but she isn't the one who was unhappy all day!
2007-02-10 1:08 PM
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2007-02-10 1:30 PM
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Coach
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PeterAK - 2007-02-10 12:04 PM


Mom always said, do what you love, the money will follow. I practiced law for 3.5 loooong years. Bought my investment properties when I had the nice salary. I am 2.5 years into enjoying my profession as a mortgage broker. Mom now would rather see me with a salary, but she isn't the one who was unhappy all day!


Let's see 2 years down, ? to go...



I do track my net worth monthly (too often?) but that debt line item gets to me every month. You are right about the long term (10 years from now?) Maybe I'll run some more numbers and see how that feels. I can't deduct the interest, by the way. In the meantime, it's better that that $500 go towards SOMETHING and not sit in my checking account for now.
2007-02-10 1:57 PM
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Champion
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I Hate my student loans too but in reality they are "good debt"  I would LOVE to pay them off but as other have stated with the interest on them so low it is better to invest the money and pay them off over time.  I totally feel you pain about having it hanging over your head.  At least you didn' have to buy into a practice.  Me, I'm deeper in debt than you can possibly imagine. 

 

2007-02-10 2:03 PM
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I am almost debt-free. House will be paid for in less than 2 yrs. But I need a new car and I'll be moving - need to do both without incurring debt. My goal is to buy my new house and car for cash and start life in NC totally debt-free.
2007-02-10 2:04 PM
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COURT JESTER
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Renee - 2007-02-10 1:03 PM I am almost debt-free. House will be paid for in less than 2 yrs. But I need a new car and I'll be moving - need to do both without incurring debt. My goal is to buy my new house and car for cash and start life in NC totally debt-free.

Wish you well in that goal. 

2007-02-10 2:09 PM
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tupuppy - 2007-02-10 3:04 PM

Renee - 2007-02-10 1:03 PM I am almost debt-free. House will be paid for in less than 2 yrs. But I need a new car and I'll be moving - need to do both without incurring debt. My goal is to buy my new house and car for cash and start life in NC totally debt-free.

Wish you well in that goal.

Fingers crossed. When I sell my house, I'll be there! 



2007-02-11 5:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Debt
My own feeling is that leverage has created a lot of wealth in the world. I just don't tend to view debt as a soul corroding evil the way my, I don't know, parents' parents, did.

Having said that, I have very little outside of margin in my brokerage accounts.

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2007-02-11 6:05 PM
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It's been years since I've had consumer debt such as a running credit card balance.  Student loans don't bother me, nor does a mortgage.

2007-02-11 6:45 PM
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I'm with you Adventure Bear, the debt weighs on my mind and it hurts. I am currently accumulating massive amounts of student loan debt. I'm kinda ok with it because that was my only option, but I am trying really hard to pay off my other debt (higher intrest rate) before I graduate, well, really as soon as possible. I hope to be able to do what your friend did and pay it all off within five years and then save. Good Luck
2007-02-11 9:51 PM
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Elite
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student loans are a party of life

you're smart, you're educated, and you're young

good things are in store for you.. and eventually, you'll pay the loans off

be young, enjoy your life... it goes by quick...

sincerely, 44 soon to be 45yo... oh where did the time go, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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