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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Do you leave the clock running during rest intervals? I realized that I'm having it both ways-- on my runs and bikes, I'm leaving my watch running, because otherwise the total workout time is short (only get to count 40 minutes out of an hour's workout, for example). On my swims, I'm stopping the watch in between laps, because otherwise the average pace per lap gets way out of whack. Seems like either way is a compromise, but it seems like I should be consistent. Do you leave the watch running during intervals? Thanks! |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I use the pace clock. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have a Garmin 910xt that I use for tracking laps on the run and in the pool, but either way, I just find some way of tracking lap time and pace (basic watch at the track, pace clock, etc.). I will look at total distance and time, too, but average pace for the entire workout is mostly irrelevant-- only the pace of the individual laps matters. The Garmin actually subtracts the "rest" intervals when reporting average pace in the water, so I like that, but I don't really need it. Edited by jennifer_runs 2014-11-11 11:26 PM |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I stop the clock for all of my intervals. Can't wait to get a 910xt so it will do it for me! |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() For me, a swim workout starts when I get in the water and ends when I get out - total time. As someone else mentioned, avg pace in a swim workout is pretty much irrelevant (IMO). Keep track of the swim times within the set as that's what matters. So if your workout is 10 x 100 on 1:45 (or whatever) then record what the swim times were for those 10 100s. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Not sure why but I have always timed only the time I'm actually moving. My bike computer does that automatically. For swimming, I keep total time for swimming, and use the pace clock to time sets. For a set with lots of repeats, I just record the sendoff andI range of splits for the set. For example, 15 x 100m @ 1:50 in 1:35-1:38 means I did them on a 1:50 sendoff, with splits in that range. The BT log of course calculates average speed, but it's not really a useful metric as it would depend on the workout (freestyle vs. stroke or kick sets, which are slower, longer reps vs. shorter, faster ones). |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by runningmon Do you leave the clock running during rest intervals? I realized that I'm having it both ways-- on my runs and bikes, I'm leaving my watch running, because otherwise the total workout time is short (only get to count 40 minutes out of an hour's workout, for example). On my swims, I'm stopping the watch in between laps, because otherwise the average pace per lap gets way out of whack. Seems like either way is a compromise, but it seems like I should be consistent. Do you leave the watch running during intervals? Thanks! IMO I think most triathletes should just use the pace clock. Yes a workout might be "short" cutting out time when resting, but that is why (in swimming) distance trumps time. It also prevents athletes from getting too analytical (triathletes analytical? NO WAY!!!) of their swim training. Using a garmin for swimming is okay, but in the long run it doesn't provide too much value beyond what a pace clock does, and swim TSS is rather pointless IMO. For me I just simply approx my swim time, 30, 45, 60, or 90 minutes, whatever it comes out to it doesn't make a big difference for in me in the long run. And most people really dislike triathletes that wear watches in the pool ![]() |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by axteraa For me, a swim workout starts when I get in the water and ends when I get out - total time. As someone else mentioned, avg pace in a swim workout is pretty much irrelevant (IMO). Keep track of the swim times within the set as that's what matters. So if your workout is 10 x 100 on 1:45 (or whatever) then record what the swim times were for those 10 100s. x2 This is how I handle my swim workouts too. All my other workouts as well. I track total time and then note the intervals. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It's neither time or distance in isolation, but the composition of the workout. Say warm-up and cool-down take a total of 20 minutes combined, then you have 20 x 100, leaving say every 2:00 and note when you finish. Say 1:42-1:45 for most all of them for example. Don't fool around with getting the actual time swimming or subtracting out the rest from the main set. This is the information you want from it as there is a relationship between the work and rest you want to keep in there. I think this is what axteraa was saying as well. Edited by brigby1 2014-11-12 7:33 AM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() for running and cycling my "rest" between intervals is active so i'm not stopped at any point; timer is running. when i swim i don't use a watch and just go off the pace clock at the pool. while i might swim an average pace of 1:20-1:40 depending on the workout, i log the full hour or more in my training log as time spent in the pool. sure it throws off the average pace, but i know and can record if i did or didn't make a certain interval in the workout that day. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I usually just go off the pace clock. I seldom wear my watch to the pool unless I'm doing a long TT when I want to record accurate splits and total time. I've got a waterproof notebook poolside that I use to record times, spl, etc. if I'm working on something specific. Mark |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by ChemNerd23 I stop the clock for all of my intervals. Can't wait to get a 910xt so it will do it for me! You still have to hit the lap button. ![]() |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by runningmon Do you leave the clock running during rest intervals? I realized that I'm having it both ways-- on my runs and bikes, I'm leaving my watch running, because otherwise the total workout time is short (only get to count 40 minutes out of an hour's workout, for example). On my swims, I'm stopping the watch in between laps, because otherwise the average pace per lap gets way out of whack. Seems like either way is a compromise, but it seems like I should be consistent. Do you leave the watch running during intervals? Thanks! Yes. Don't overthink it. No matter the discipline you're training, strap on the watch, hit start at the beginning, then just hit the lap button every time you start or stop an interval. At the end, hit the Stop button. For swimming, it's easiest to us the pool's clock for send-off intervals, and don't even look at your Garmin. It's just a data collection tool.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If I'm in the water, the clock is running... probably because I just use the timer on the wall... The only time I'm even remotely worried about pace is when I'm seeing what I can do. I'm really more worried about finishing the race than I am about beating anyone else... so... |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks all for your thoughts on this. I guess I find it a little funny that so many people say to not use the watch but then talk about writing down the intervals- I thought that's why I bought the watch in the first place! Much appreciated. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() As an analytical chemist, I wear my watch proud and track my laps in the pool ![]() |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Wear the watch or don't, that's not a big deal in itself. The more important point being made was that the thought process in the OP wasn't in quite the right direction. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by runningmon Thanks all for your thoughts on this. I guess I find it a little funny that so many people say to not use the watch but then talk about writing down the intervals- I thought that's why I bought the watch in the first place! Much appreciated. You can certainly collect the times with a watch but, IME, it is very valuable to learn how to use the pace clock and then focus on the key parts of the workout. So, for example, you get in the water at the top of the hour and do: 400 choice to warmup - pace/rest doesn't really matter here, just getting going 6x50 drill with 15s rest - pace doesn't really matter, check the clock when you touch, 15s later, push off 2x200 pull with 20s rest - same as previous 8x25 all out on 60s - leaving on the top everytime, try to touch around the same time for each one (so maybe touching on 20-21s - try to remember any that are faster/slower) 15x100 at Tpace on 2:00 - leaving on the top everytime, try to touch around the same time (say tpace is 1:45/100) then aim to keep track of any that are faster/slower than this) 300 choice cooldown - pace/rest doesn't really matter here, just ending the workout with some easy work Shane |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by runningmon Thanks all for your thoughts on this. I guess I find it a little funny that so many people say to not use the watch but then talk about writing down the intervals- I thought that's why I bought the watch in the first place! Much appreciated. There are many advantages to wearing a swim watch, but you will never get swimmers to admit it :-) "Real swimmers" only use pace clocks and swedes |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by marcag There are many advantages to wearing a swim watch, but you will never get swimmers to admit it :-) "Real swimmers" only use pace clocks and swedes Don't forget drag suits and/or old race suit worn over a newer suit ![]() The watches are great in the same way a powermeter is great (IMO) - fantastic data that can be used to guide training iff one actually takes time to analyze it. If you are simply using it to count laps and time swimming, then there isn't much to be gained with a fancy swim watch over the pace clock. Shane |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by runningmon Thanks all for your thoughts on this. I guess I find it a little funny that so many people say to not use the watch but then talk about writing down the intervals- I thought that's why I bought the watch in the first place! Much appreciated. I use my poolside notebook to log specific data when I'm doing stroke drills and want to log not just on interval times, but also tempo, strokes per length, etc. Stuff that I want to analyze later. It also helps me keep track of new workouts from my coach. If I'm just swimming sets, I go off the pace clock. I'm pretty good at swimming at my target paces, so will just record an average pace for a set later. Mark |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It all depends. What's more important is how do you interpret the information you've logged. This is where writing more than simply elapsed time and elapsed distance becomes important. For swims, I log the total distance and elapsed time from the wall clock. I usually log the workout details which provide context to these two numbers. My rest intervals are usually short so including that time doesn't have a dramatic impact on overall pace. Example: 2000 yards, 0:40:00 Is my pace 2:00/100? Arguably, yes. That's what the total time divided by the total distance works out to be. Is my pace 1:50/100? It can be argued this is correct as that's what the bulk of my workout was. Is my pace 1:35/100? It can also be argued this is my pace. If I were doing a race with a 1000 yard swim, how would I use this information? I doubt I could do that swim in 15:50 (the 1:35/100 pace) as I probably can't sustain that pace continuously. I'd hope I could finish faster than 20:00 (2:00/100 pace) as I am slow kicking which I won't be doing during the race and won't be resting. I'd probably be a little faster than 18:20 (1:50/100 pace) Now if I spend 5 minutes chatting with someone so it was really 45 minutes elapsed time, I'll probably remove that time from my logged workout. For biking and running, it depends on the duration. For short runs, I'll stop and start my watch if I have to wait for traffic to cross a street. For longer runs, notsomuch. For riding, I'll rarely stop my watch when I stop for traffic, but I'll stop it if I take a break or have to do some repair or adjustment. |
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