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 2009-06-19 12:12 PM |
Member 163   Houston |  Subject: Training in BoardshortsSo all my pool swims I have done in board shorts, when I do an actual Tri I'll ofcourse have my tri-shorts. Does swimming in board shorts vs tri-shorts make that much of a difference? As far as drag is concerned? |
| 2009-06-19 12:16 PM in reply to: #2229168 |
Elite 2645  Phoenix, AZ | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts Board shorts add drag for sure. They may also affect your position in the water. Some folks will tell you to train in what you race in. I see the value of that, but I train in board shorts as well. I ruined my first pair of tri shorts via chlorine death. Now I swim in bulky shorts and save my tri shorts for race day. We'll see how that goes in 23 days. |
| 2009-06-19 12:18 PM in reply to: #2229168 |
Master 1572 PA | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts Yep, it's a lot more drag. It would drive me nuts (if i was a dude) to swim in board shorts. I'm not sure I could even get the right rhythm in the water with with them. They make men's drag suits if you're looking for a little more drag. i would think that would be a better route than board shorts for sure. (Plus, drag suits are hot). Save the board shorts for the beach of the pool hanging out. |
| 2009-06-19 12:18 PM in reply to: #2229168 |
Elite 3091 Spokane, WA | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts I train only in boardshorts. I'm slighty faster in jammers, but not enough to worry about. My form, as it is, is unaffected. The main reason I train in boardshorts is that they are more durable and less expensive than jammers/trishorts. I also feel they are more modest. Guys in jammers/speedos make some people go EEWW, and I like to avoid being EEWW'd if possible. ETA, as far as the train as you race point, I race in a wetsuit so that doesn't apply. Edited by zed707 2009-06-19 12:20 PM |
| 2009-06-19 12:21 PM in reply to: #2229194 |
Sneaky Slow 8694 Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts zed707 - 2009-06-19 1:18 PM I train only in boardshorts. I'm slighty faster in jammers, but not enough to worry about. My form, as it is, is unaffected. The main reason I train in boardshorts is that they are more durable and less expensive than jammers/trishorts. I also feel they are more modest. Guys in jammers/speedos make some people go EEWW, and I like to avoid being EEWW'd if possible.s t ETA, as far as the train as you race point, I race in a wetsuit so that doesn't apply. Who cares? If that's the issue, get over it. If it is the durability, get polyester jammers. They last a loooooong time. |
| 2009-06-19 12:21 PM in reply to: #2229184 |
Champion 5117 Brandon, MS | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts Slidell4life - 2009-06-19 12:16 PM Board shorts add drag for sure. They may also affect your position in the water. Some folks will tell you to train in what you race in. I see the value of that, but I train in board shorts as well. I ruined my first pair of tri shorts via chlorine death. Now I swim in bulky shorts and save my tri shorts for race day. We'll see how that goes in 23 days. Try some polyester jammers. I don't think mine are ever going to wear out. |
| 2009-06-19 12:22 PM in reply to: #2229192 |
| Member 163 Houston | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts gopennstate - 2009-06-19 12:18 PM Yep, it's a lot more drag. It would drive me nuts (if i was a dude) to swim in board shorts. I'm not sure I could even get the right rhythm in the water with with them. They make men's drag suits if you're looking for a little more drag. i would think that would be a better route than board shorts for sure. (Plus, drag suits are hot). Save the board shorts for the beach of the pool hanging out. I swim at 24 Hour Fitness, training for this tri has been my first experience in spandex not quite sure I can say I'm a fan of it yet. I need room to "breathe" therefore i wear boardshorts |
| 2009-06-19 12:24 PM in reply to: #2229168 |
Expert 1123 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts I trained in big trunks when I first started swimming, and now that I've got a pair of drag shorts I'm not going back. Although as someone stated, you might not be as comfortable in smaller shorts, but just that gear change dropped nearly 12 seconds off of my longer set 100 yard pace, so 1 minute off of each 500 set. Jammers/drag shorts aren't very expensive either, usually $35 or less. |
| 2009-06-19 12:30 PM in reply to: #2229192 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts gopennstate - 2009-06-19 1:18 PM Yep, it's a lot more drag. It would drive me nuts (if i was a dude) to swim in board shorts. I'm not sure I could even get the right rhythm in the water with with them. They make men's drag suits if you're looking for a little more drag. i would think that would be a better route than board shorts for sure. (Plus, drag suits are hot). Save the board shorts for the beach of the pool hanging out. no pun intended? |
| 2009-06-19 12:36 PM in reply to: #2229168 |
Master 2491 | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts Now and then, I'll swim in board shorts instead of the usual jammers. It definitely slows me down. It's harder work with less glide. Many will tell you it affects form, though, and and advise against it. Nylon jammers will hold up to chlorine, preserving your tri shorts for racing. |
| 2009-06-19 12:40 PM in reply to: #2229200 |
Elite 3091 Spokane, WA | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts newleaf - 2009-06-19 12:21 PM zed707 - 2009-06-19 1:18 PM I train only in boardshorts. I'm slighty faster in jammers, but not enough to worry about. My form, as it is, is unaffected. The main reason I train in boardshorts is that they are more durable and less expensive than jammers/trishorts. I also feel they are more modest. Guys in jammers/speedos make some people go EEWW, and I like to avoid being EEWW'd if possible.s t ETA, as far as the train as you race point, I race in a wetsuit so that doesn't apply. Who cares? If that's the issue, get over it. If it is the durability, get polyester jammers. They last a loooooong time. There's really no need for me to "get over it". I'm just replying to the OP's valid question. I see no benefit, for me personally, to train in jammers, so I just choose not to. I have no fear of spandex in public as I wear bike shorts all the time on the bike and race in jammers. So nothing to really "get over". |
| 2009-06-19 12:41 PM in reply to: #2229255 |
| Member 163 Houston | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts zed707 - 2009-06-19 12:40 PM newleaf - 2009-06-19 12:21 PM zed707 - 2009-06-19 1:18 PM I train only in boardshorts. I'm slighty faster in jammers, but not enough to worry about. My form, as it is, is unaffected. The main reason I train in boardshorts is that they are more durable and less expensive than jammers/trishorts. I also feel they are more modest. Guys in jammers/speedos make some people go EEWW, and I like to avoid being EEWW'd if possible.s t ETA, as far as the train as you race point, I race in a wetsuit so that doesn't apply. Who cares? If that's the issue, get over it. If it is the durability, get polyester jammers. They last a loooooong time. There's really no need for me to "get over it". I'm just replying to the OP's valid question. I see no benefit, for me personally, to train in jammers, so I just choose not to. I have no fear of spandex in public as I wear bike shorts all the time on the bike and race in jammers. So nothing to really "get over". Yea I should probably get over it |
| 2009-06-19 12:43 PM in reply to: #2229168 |
New user 79 | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts If training with drag is your thing check out some male training suits. Same type of feeling only you don't have to worry about the board shorts dicking with your form.http://www.swimoutlet.com/Square_Leg_Suits_s/277.htm |
| 2009-06-19 12:47 PM in reply to: #2229255 |
Sneaky Slow 8694 Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts zed707 - 2009-06-19 1:40 PM newleaf - 2009-06-19 12:21 PM zed707 - 2009-06-19 1:18 PM I train only in boardshorts. I'm slighty faster in jammers, but not enough to worry about. My form, as it is, is unaffected. The main reason I train in boardshorts is that they are more durable and less expensive than jammers/trishorts. I also feel they are more modest. Guys in jammers/speedos make some people go EEWW, and I like to avoid being EEWW'd if possible.s t ETA, as far as the train as you race point, I race in a wetsuit so that doesn't apply. Who cares? If that's the issue, get over it. If it is the durability, get polyester jammers. They last a loooooong time. There's really no need for me to "get over it". I'm just replying to the OP's valid question. I see no benefit, for me personally, to train in jammers, so I just choose not to. I have no fear of spandex in public as I wear bike shorts all the time on the bike and race in jammers. So nothing to really "get over". If that's the case, I don't understand the "Guys in jammers/speedos make some people go EEWW, and I like to avoid being EEWW'd if possible" part of your post. So not for you per se, but if that was the main reason someone else was reticent to wear jammers, I'd say they need to get over it. |
| 2009-06-19 12:47 PM in reply to: #2229271 |
Sneaky Slow 8694 Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts danambro8 - 2009-06-19 1:43 PM If training with drag is your thing check out some male training suits. Or, if training in drag is your thing, check out some female training suits. |
| 2009-06-19 12:48 PM in reply to: #2229203 |
Elite 3683 Whispering Pines, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts hornsfan - 2009-06-19 1:22 PM gopennstate - 2009-06-19 12:18 PM Yep, it's a lot more drag. It would drive me nuts (if i was a dude) to swim in board shorts. I'm not sure I could even get the right rhythm in the water with with them. They make men's drag suits if you're looking for a little more drag. i would think that would be a better route than board shorts for sure. (Plus, drag suits are hot). Save the board shorts for the beach of the pool hanging out. I swim at 24 Hour Fitness, training for this tri has been my first experience in spandex not quite sure I can say I'm a fan of it yet. I need room to "breathe" therefore i wear boardshorts the boys can't breathe underwater...just sayin'.  go with polyester jammers. as for modesty, meh. flaunt it, baby! Edited by tri_d00d 2009-06-19 12:49 PM |
| 2009-06-19 12:49 PM in reply to: #2229283 |
New user 79 | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts newleaf - 2009-06-19 10:47 AM shh, don't tell him my secret.danambro8 - 2009-06-19 1:43 PM If training with drag is your thing check out some male training suits. Or, if training in drag is your thing, check out some female training suits. |
| 2009-06-19 12:57 PM in reply to: #2229168 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts When swimming in board shorts vs my speedo/drag suit, I would say there is a good 5-7 second/100 difference. It can add up quite quickly. But as long as the shorts aren't messing with your form then they can be used as a training aid. |
| 2009-06-19 1:09 PM in reply to: #2229168 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts not sure about speed benefits, but I started in board shorts, switched to jammers. it was 100% comfort based switch....kept having to pull up the board shorts. jammers are just so much more comfortable while doing laps. |
| 2009-06-19 3:32 PM in reply to: #2229168 |
Expert 769 Alpharetta (until we find a home) | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts I like to train in my board shorts. A week or two before a race I start using a swim cap. The week before I switch to the sauage smuggling speedo look with swim cap. I like taper weeks because everything seems so smooth and silky. Add in a wetsuit and I feel like a seal. But I still cant balance a ball on my nose |
| 2009-06-19 3:40 PM in reply to: #2229168 |
| 798 | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts Another big difference I see is at the end of my workout. In jammers I am much stronger and my form has broken down less after an hour or so. Sometimes I do my warm-up set with board shorts over my jammers and then pull them off for my main set. |
| 2009-06-19 7:27 PM in reply to: #2229168 |
Extreme Veteran 369 Maine | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts I swim in a bathing suit because that's what I have... I understand that I am less hydrodynamic because of the looser baggier fit, but have seen multiple posts where people reference it affecting their stroke. Not sure what this means, exactly. Does the material impede my kicking motion. No. Is it a timing thing, where if I were swimming in a more hydrodynamic outfit I would be going faster (hopefully), so I'm teaching myself to go slower? This is year 1 for me, learning curve et al, and I'm trying to decide if $35 for jammers is worth it - meaning by training in a regular bathing suit am I impeding my progress? Edited by Mainer22 2009-06-19 7:34 PM |
| 2009-06-20 6:25 AM in reply to: #2229168 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Training in Boardshorts IMO, The extra resistance provided by board shorts is not going to be very useful to learning how to swim faster. If you want to learn how to swim faster, get a performance swimsuit (made of poly so it lasts forever). The problem is that until you have your technique dialed in, the extra resistance is simply going to make it harder to improve your form because of the extra drag. Then, once you are swimming with good form (your easy pace is under 1:50/100m) then if you want to train with extra resistance, get a good pair of drag shorts. Once you are swimming with good form, the drag shorts add a subtle amount of resistance to your swimming and help you to work just a little harder in each workout. Shane |
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