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2008-09-07 9:30 PM

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Subject: Keys to running?
Someone asked me today if there were 5 keys to running. Good question I thought.

So..... If you had to name 5 keys to running what would they be?

Thanks,
Dunphy


2008-09-07 9:45 PM
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My secret could lead to your success.

 

Ok ill name one.             Sprints, lots of them.

2008-09-07 10:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Keys to running?
In no paticular order...

1. good shoes
2. consistency
3. consistency
4. conisistency
5. consistency
2008-09-08 4:26 AM
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1) house key (deadbolt)
2) house key (handle)
3) friend's house key
4) car key
5) locker room key


Oh, not what you meant. Sorry.
2008-09-08 7:19 AM
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Consistency.

Frequency.

Volume.

Listening to your body.

That's it.

2008-09-08 7:31 AM
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I read this last night:

• Run more slowly than you think you should.
• Don't run as far as you think you should.
• Run more often than you think you should.

4.Get fit for goods shoes by a professional-Mine

5. Learn proper form-Mine

 

       



2008-09-08 7:38 AM
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Subject: RE: Keys to running?
the training rule for running are generally the same for biking.

Be consistant
Get properly fit
Train slower than feels "normal"
train shorter than feels "normal"
rest
I'll add a 6th
Patience
2008-09-08 9:21 AM
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Subject: RE: Keys to running?
  1. Consistency
  2. Recovery
  3. Tempo Runs
  4. Long Runs
  5. Good shoes that fit your feet and biomechanics
2008-09-08 10:46 AM
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Subject: RE: Keys to running?

Ok...what kind of keys do you mean???

Keys house

Keys car

Keys office

Keys shed

keys safety box.....LOL (j/K)

Here:
1.-Consistency
2.-Frequency
3.-Volumen
4.-Listen your body
5.-Rest
2008-09-08 11:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Keys to running?
- Recovery runs are as important as speed workouts
- Trail running will help with strengthening your legs and be more gentle on your joints
- You'll always be faster in a race than in training
- If you're sore you should still run the next day (easy though)
- The mind is stronger than the body (I finished a trail marathon with cramps all over my body for 13 miles...)
2008-09-08 11:20 AM
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Scout7 - 2008-09-08 8:19 AM

Consistency.

Frequency.

Volume.

Listening to your body.

That's it.

Variation 

I'm on board with that list, adding variation as a fifth.  (Once you've got a decent volume, adding some variation in intensity is a good way to make additional gains, in my opinion.)



2008-09-08 12:25 PM
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mdickson68 - 2008-09-08 12:20 PM
Scout7 - 2008-09-08 8:19 AM

Consistency.

Frequency.

Volume.

Listening to your body.

That's it.

Variation 

I'm on board with that list, adding variation as a fifth.  (Once you've got a decent volume, adding some variation in intensity is a good way to make additional gains, in my opinion.)

In my mind, that's icing.  Pace can vary on its own, depending on how I feel.   Plus, you need the other four before you can get fancy.

2008-09-08 12:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Keys to running?
1. Relaxation
2. Relaxation
3. Relaxation

(okay, they won't all be "relaxation")

4. Consistency (not in the sense of doing the same workout all the time, but in the sense of not giving yourself too much permission to skip workouts)

5. Run, don't run/walk. I know that many authoritative sources won't necessarily agree with that (and I know why). And I know this isn't very PC in these days of "everyone can marathon" (if you intentionally walk what is historically a running event, that is), but from reading a lot of logs of people here who say they are struggling to improve their running (and often also with making progress on weightloss), in most cases, I see them devoting too much training time to building volume by walking rather than running. Walking is great exercise, and I include it in my training, but it won't really improve your running stamina. Just my opinion, of course...

(E.T.A.: Re-reading the above, I wanted to be clear: there's nothing wrong with walking a marathon if your goal is to finish a marathon. The OP was asking about running, so my assumption is that these are keys to getting better at endurance running, specifically.)

Edited by tcovert 2008-09-08 12:38 PM
2008-09-08 2:59 PM
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 1 . Shoes that are fit to your feet and your gait.  I can't tell you how many would-be runners I've talked to that just said "It hurts too much", and they'd never been to a real running store.

 2. As others have said, consistency.  Run at least a few times per week.

 3. Ignore the weather.  You don't get to decide to bag the run on race day just because it's raining or too hot or whatever.  So train in all kinds of weather, 'cause you never know.

 4. Ditch the cotton.  Get tech/wicking clothes.  And you don't have to spend a fortune here.  I get many of my shirts at WalMart/Target and my shorts at Kohl's.

 5. Sunglasses, sunscreen, and yes, an iPod (or something).  Podcasts and books keep me company and keep my mind off the ouch.

2008-09-08 3:30 PM
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1. great pace booty
2-5 doesn't matter is you have #1

2008-09-08 3:52 PM
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Scout7 - 2008-09-08 8:19 AM

Consistency.

Frequency.

Volume.

Listening to your body.

That's it.

Great list, but to make it 5, I would add  patience.



2008-09-08 3:53 PM
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5 keys to running:

1. Have a plan / schedule. Make that schedule a routine, and stick to it.

2. Have a goal. Tailor your plan to meet the goal.

3. Have the proper equipment. Good shoes for your running style, good running clothing.

4. Nutrition. Gels, Hydration, all are very important.

5. Just get out there and do it. Never talk yourself out of it, and by all means, when running, limit your stops / walks to few, if any.



Edited by atl_runner 2008-09-08 3:54 PM
2008-09-08 3:56 PM
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Core strength. Lots of it. It will improve your posture and allow you to continue a proper gait/stride.

I stopped doing core workouts when I starting riding my bike more for tris and noticed a huge decrease in run speed.
2008-09-08 4:01 PM
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runrachierun - 2008-09-08 4:56 PM Core strength. Lots of it. It will improve your posture and allow you to continue a proper gait/stride. I stopped doing core workouts when I starting riding my bike more for tris and noticed a huge decrease in run speed.

Is your run volume the same as it was before you started tris?

2008-09-08 5:55 PM
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Scout7 - 2008-09-08 4:01 PM

runrachierun - 2008-09-08 4:56 PM Core strength. Lots of it. It will improve your posture and allow you to continue a proper gait/stride. I stopped doing core workouts when I starting riding my bike more for tris and noticed a huge decrease in run speed.

Is your run volume the same as it was before you started tris?



No, not at all. Way less in fact, but the running pace decrease and cessation of core work were concurrent.
2008-09-08 6:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Keys to running?
#1) Train Smart

So in other words, read scout's post.

Let your body be efficient, it'll find it's own way. When you start tinkering with things that your body doesn't want tinkered with (massive gait changes) you either need to a) commit massive amount of time (years) or b)don't do it.





2008-09-08 7:02 PM
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I think as said above

  1. Consistency
  2. Recovery
  3. Tempo Runs
  4. Long Runs
  5. Good shoes that fit your feet and biomechanics
After you have the above, then you can start thinking about speed work - but that is a long way off.   Get the running frequency built up to 4-5 days a week, then build in the long run, then start adding tempo.

 

2008-09-08 7:20 PM
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runrachierun - 2008-09-08 6:55 PM
Scout7 - 2008-09-08 4:01 PM

runrachierun - 2008-09-08 4:56 PM Core strength. Lots of it. It will improve your posture and allow you to continue a proper gait/stride. I stopped doing core workouts when I starting riding my bike more for tris and noticed a huge decrease in run speed.

Is your run volume the same as it was before you started tris?

No, not at all. Way less in fact, but the running pace decrease and cessation of core work were concurrent.

I would opine that the slowing down is more related to the loss of run volume, and less to do with core exercises.

I've gotten faster since I stopped core work, but increased volume. 

2008-09-09 12:48 AM
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tcovert - 2008-09-08 1:35 PM

5. Run, don't run/walk. I know that many authoritative sources won't necessarily agree with that (and I know why). And I know this isn't very PC in these days of "everyone can marathon" (if you intentionally walk what is historically a running event, that is), but from reading a lot of logs of people here who say they are struggling to improve their running (and often also with making progress on weightloss), in most cases, I see them devoting too much training time to building volume by walking rather than running. Walking is great exercise, and I include it in my training, but it won't really improve your running stamina. Just my opinion, of course...

I disagree. The first time I tried running, I went out and ran. I gasped, sputtered, and staggered my way through a mile. Tried that about three times and gave up. When I tried again, I went with a run/walk program. Lo and behold, I could RUN more than a mile, because of those walk breaks. Soon, I was RUNNING a 5K (just counting the run portion, interspersed with walks). Soon after that, I was running a 5K without the walk breaks. I now use interval work to increase cardio, caloric burn, and time I'm able to keep running. Well, literally right now, I'm using intervals to recover from injury. Had I kept trying the just-run theory, I'd still be stuck at a mile, maybe a mile and a half. Rather, I'd be on the couch. I do think you come to a point where you "graduate" from interval work to a large extent, just as you come to a point where you are ready for speed. But it has a very valid place in learning to run, learning to run faster, and in general getting substantially better at running than just running will allow.
2008-09-09 6:32 AM
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Scout7 - 2008-09-08 1:25 PM
mdickson68 - 2008-09-08 12:20 PM
Scout7 - 2008-09-08 8:19 AM

Consistency.

Frequency.

Volume.

Listening to your body.

That's it.

Variation 

I'm on board with that list, adding variation as a fifth.  (Once you've got a decent volume, adding some variation in intensity is a good way to make additional gains, in my opinion.)

In my mind, that's icing.  Pace can vary on its own, depending on how I feel.   Plus, you need the other four before you can get fancy.

OK, I guess we don't really disagree seriously.  If it happens on its own, depending on how one feels, that's great.  My claim is just that it should happen.  I'm not talking about anything 'fancy' like formal speedwork or tempo runs.  My claim is just that varying one's intensity is an important component of continuing to improve.

I do think that some people who are aware of the importance of volume and consistency (and to be clear, I'm certainly not denying that they are absolutely crucial) tend to overestimate the experience one must have before introducing some variations in pace.  My own view (which is just that and nothing more) is that changes in intensity can be introduced sooner rather than later -- like when volume reaches maybe 25mpw consistently (not 50mpw, but also not 10mpw).

I've seen too many people who just slog out the same 30mpw at the same 8:30/mile pace week after week, month after month, year after year.  They enter our local races and complain that they never get any faster.  They ask me, or others, how to get faster, and we say 'try changing up your pace'.  They say 'but won't I get injured if I do speedwork?'.  Yes, you will, if you start off doing 8 x 800 sprints twice per week.  No, you won't if you just try varying your intensity from time to time, in a reasonable way.

Is it gravy?  I don't know.  I helps you go faster...

 

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