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 2007-12-02 7:39 AM |
Pro  3673      MAC-opolis |  Subject: College bowl games...rantSeriously, does anyone give a crap about ANY bowl game other than the championship game? Does anyone who is not an alumni of their particular school have the Motor City Bowl, the Independence Bowl or any other meaningless game circled on their calendar. I like bowl games only because I like watching football but none of them have any intrinsic meaning to anyone other than the CFO of the respective schools. I would even argue that the Rose Bowl or the Orange Bowl, if not used for the national title game, do not really mean anything. Who cares? Much like politics, college football caters only to themselves and not to the good of the game nor its fans. It prostitutes itself for money while shi**ing on the integrity of the sport. If your school cannot survive without the money you get from a bowl game, then don't play because frankly we don't care who wins the Tulsa v Bowling Green GMAC bowl. |
| 2007-12-02 7:45 AM in reply to: #1079049 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant If it was true that "we don't care who wins the Tulsa v Bowling Green GMAC bowl," then there would be no money in it and it would cease to exist. The numerous bowl games do exist and mostly thrive because there is a demand. |
| 2007-12-02 11:33 AM in reply to: #1079049 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant These are the primary reason that we DON'T have a playoff system. Do you realize there are 32 bowl games? This means 64 teams; fully the top 1/2 of the 132 BSD (or 1-A or whatever they're calling it) schools get a post season appearance with >$250,000 per team at stake. Tourism, hotels, TV, conference tie-ins, revenue sharing, etc. all will propgate what currently exists because this status-quo works for them. If a playoff is added, all of these games become even more irrelevant than they already are. They'll surely die on the vine because, unless it's your team, you're going to wait for the "real" games and not watch these. Anyone who believes the school presidents and AD's will cut off their noses to go to a playoff where <8 teams get a piece of this is kidding themselves. It'll have to be 64 teams involved for the economic factor to work out and no one would go there. We're screwed with what we have. |
| 2007-12-02 11:35 AM in reply to: #1079049 |
Champion 6931 Bellingham, Washington | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant I like the Div 1A and Div II playoffs. |
| 2007-12-03 10:09 AM in reply to: #1079049 |
Expert 893 Livermore, Ca | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant You can have a playoff for the National Champ and bowl games for all the others. That way everyone wins. |
| 2007-12-03 10:35 AM in reply to: #1080341 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant nbo10 - 2007-12-03 11:09 AM You can have a playoff for the National Champ and bowl games for all the others. That way everyone wins. I disagree. Sure, you could still have the pizza.com or Irrelevant Bank and Trust bowl, but even fewer would watch / travel / sponsor / televise it. Everyone one would wait for the "real" games and those would pay. This risk is why the AD's and university presidents won't accept a playoff system. Because, since 64 teams benefit now, only 16 will in that future. Talk about bubble teams not getting in! No one would throw that payday away despite what the fans want. |
| 2007-12-03 10:50 AM in reply to: #1080382 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant pitt83 - 2007-12-03 10:35 AM nbo10 - 2007-12-03 11:09 AM You can have a playoff for the National Champ and bowl games for all the others. That way everyone wins. I disagree. Sure, you could still have the pizza.com or Irrelevant Bank and Trust bowl, but even fewer would watch / travel / sponsor / televise it. Everyone one would wait for the "real" games and those would pay. This risk is why the AD's and university presidents won't accept a playoff system. Because, since 64 teams benefit now, only 16 will in that future. Talk about bubble teams not getting in! No one would throw that payday away despite what the fans want.Why would the Irrelevant Bank and Trust bowl mean any less with a playoff than it does now? A simplified playoff system would essentially effect only the teams currently in the top four/six bowl games, to all others the meaning would be the same. |
| 2007-12-03 10:58 AM in reply to: #1080422 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant Do I care what who plays in what bowl game,, from the so called "smaller" bowl games up to and including the championship game... not really.. I just enjoy watching as many of the games as I can. The whole BCS crapshoot for the big game doesn't change the fact that I'm a fan and enjoy watching the games, & gives people something to talk about. |
| 2007-12-03 11:02 AM in reply to: #1080341 |
Champion 5529 Nashville, TN | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant nbo10 - 2007-12-03 11:09 AM You can have a playoff for the National Champ and bowl games for all the others. That way everyone wins. Is it a win if your team makes the NIT tournament in basketball? I personally think not and see it as a consolation prize. To me bowl games AND a playoff would diminish the excitement for most (small conferences and possibly independents not withstanding). |
| 2007-12-03 11:06 AM in reply to: #1079242 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant BellinghamSpence - 2007-12-02 11:35 AM I like the Div 1A and Div II playoffs. I did too until my alma mater, the No. 1 team in the nation, got beat in their first game this year, and last year and the year before and the year before ... I sense a trend. Oh and there is a demand for bowl games -- it's a chance to see your team in a warm environment when it's bustin' ashe cold up north. Southern people don't think like we do -- you say `sucky bowl game' while we say `vacation spot centered around a football game.' Edited by mr2tony 2007-12-03 11:08 AM |
| 2007-12-03 12:36 PM in reply to: #1079239 |
Master 2946 Centennial, CO | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant pitt83 - 2007-12-02 10:33 AM If a playoff is added, all of these games become even more irrelevant than they already are. They'll surely die on the vine because, unless it's your team, you're going to wait for the "real" games and not watch these. This is an opinion. Remeber, the first weekend of March Madness (when there are still 64 team) is the biggest weekend in College Basketball. There is more betting taking place for that weekend than there is for the national championship game. That is what makes a playoff such a good thing. In many circles it is believed (opinion) that a playoff system would actually increase viewership for a lot of the slowly dying bowl games. And since the existing bowls could be used for a playoff system no one would really lose anything. |
| 2007-12-03 12:53 PM in reply to: #1079049 |
| Elite 3130 | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant
I don't disagree that the current bowl system is flawed....but I would still rather watch Fresno State and Georgia Tech in the Humanitarian bowl over any NBA game (except for maybe game 7 of the finals).
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| 2007-12-03 1:35 PM in reply to: #1079049 |
Expert 851 Oceanside, CA | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant I loves me some college football, so I watch every single game I can because I know it'll be forever before September gets here  And yes, the Independence Bowl is circled on my calendar because it's played from my hometown and I like to watch it, if I can get it, no matter who's playing. I'd rather watch college than pro anytime. |
| 2007-12-03 2:25 PM in reply to: #1080680 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant ScottoNM - 2007-12-03 12:53 PM
I don't disagree that the current bowl system is flawed....but I would still rather watch Fresno State and Georgia Tech in the Humanitarian bowl over any NBA game (except for maybe game 7 of the finals).
Agreed. Basketball is just ridiculous anymore. When I played the game in high school we actually had to dribble AND, gasp, play defense. I'm old-school. |
| 2007-12-03 3:12 PM in reply to: #1080448 |
Pro 3673 MAC-opolis | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant mr2tony - 2007-12-03 12:06 PM BellinghamSpence - 2007-12-02 11:35 AM I like the Div 1A and Div II playoffs. I did too until my alma mater, the No. 1 team in the nation, got beat in their first game this year, and last year and the year before and the year before ... I sense a trend. Oh and there is a demand for bowl games -- it's a chance to see your team in a warm environment when it's bustin' ashe cold up north. Southern people don't think like we do -- you say `sucky bowl game' while we say `vacation spot centered around a football game.'Unless you are Georgia Tech traveling to Boise for the Humanitarian Bowl. The only humanitarian thing they could do is cancel it. OH, Ball State & Rutgers play the International Bowl in Toronto...wonder how popular bowl games would be if it was Baghdad? Central Michigan and Purdue are each making the cross country trek to the December paradise of Detroit for the Motor City Bowl (which, given recent trends in car sales, should be held in Tokyo). |
| 2007-12-03 3:14 PM in reply to: #1079049 |
COURT JESTER 12230 ROCKFORD, IL | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant Posted this in the other Bowl thread too: One sports writers plan (before the conference championship games were played). http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AvHTuxHc1JPCKd8UcDF6EgAcvrYF?slug=dw-playoff112707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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| 2007-12-03 3:43 PM in reply to: #1079049 |
Champion 6931 Bellingham, Washington | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant
Edited by BellinghamSpence 2007-12-03 3:47 PM | ||||
| 2007-12-03 5:25 PM in reply to: #1080422 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant the bear - 2007-12-03 11:50 AM pitt83 - 2007-12-03 10:35 AM nbo10 - 2007-12-03 11:09 AM You can have a playoff for the National Champ and bowl games for all the others. That way everyone wins. I disagree. Sure, you could still have the pizza.com or Irrelevant Bank and Trust bowl, but even fewer would watch / travel / sponsor / televise it. Everyone one would wait for the "real" games and those would pay. This risk is why the AD's and university presidents won't accept a playoff system. Because, since 64 teams benefit now, only 16 will in that future. Talk about bubble teams not getting in! No one would throw that payday away despite what the fans want.Why would the Irrelevant Bank and Trust bowl mean any less with a playoff than it does now? A simplified playoff system would essentially effect only the teams currently in the top four/six bowl games, to all others the meaning would be the same. B/C when State A&M wins their Irrelevant Bank and Trust Bowl in 2008, they're "champions" of something. You take that achievement away when a playoff tournament exists because they've won nothing relevant and everyone feels that. Also, TV dictates what happens here. Would ESPN pay nearly as much for a "bowl" game when a "playoff" game is there next week? Would Miller Lite or Insight.com still pay what they do? NFW! Their exposure is immediately far less than the current system; TV sets aren't watching because it's not the "real" bowl. The schools in these bowls get squeezed by a propotional amount. Imagine the locker room where you declare yourselves champions of something which is absolutely meaningless. Only those 4-6 teams in your playoff scenario are relevant. Testing the theory (without Google): 1.) Name the 64/65 NCAA tournament invites last year. I bet you can get to 20. 2.) Who WON the NIT last year? Thought so. Edited by pitt83 2007-12-03 5:46 PM |
| 2007-12-03 5:35 PM in reply to: #1080644 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant velocomp - 2007-12-03 1:36 PM pitt83 - 2007-12-02 10:33 AM If a playoff is added, all of these games become even more irrelevant than they already are. They'll surely die on the vine because, unless it's your team, you're going to wait for the "real" games and not watch these. This is an opinion. Remeber, the first weekend of March Madness (when there are still 64 team) is the biggest weekend in College Basketball. There is more betting taking place for that weekend than there is for the national championship game. That is what makes a playoff such a good thing. In many circles it is believed (opinion) that a playoff system would actually increase viewership for a lot of the slowly dying bowl games. And since the existing bowls could be used for a playoff system no one would really lose anything. Oh, I completely agree: Tournaments are GREAT for the fans. If we have an 8 team playoff, this makes 24 of the 32 existing bowl games into consolation / lower tier / "thanks for coming" events; ESPN and FOX aren't going to pay to broadcast them. Miller Lite, pizza.com, whatever sponsor won't pay each of them $250,000 a school to be there. 48 schools (and their conferences b/c of revenue sharing) lose serious money. This is why AD's and presidents don't want what the fans want. If you use the "existing" bowls as you suggest, we'd need to invite, seed and start play with 64 teams b/c we alreay have 32 bowls. That means a 6 game post-season for the eventual winner and needing their fans to travel all winter. Again, they won't agree to even 2 extras. I'd like change too, but the barriers of the status-quo are HUGE b/c the stakeholders (universities and TV; not the fans) hold all the cards. |
| 2007-12-03 5:54 PM in reply to: #1081298 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant pitt83 - 2007-12-03 5:25 PM Testing the theory (without Google): 1.) Name the 64/65 NCAA tournament invites last year. I bet you can get to 20. 2.) Who WON the NIT last year? Thought so. Testing your theory (also without googling): Who won the following bowls last year:
Thought so. All but 5-6 of the bowls under the current set up are irrelevant to most of the fans, unless you're students or alumni of the schools. Hence the OP here. Being champion of the Irrelevant Bank and Trust Bowl in 2007, nowhere near the BCS contenders, it is no way diminished in 2008 if you're nowhere near qualifying for the playoffs. Edited by the bear 2007-12-03 5:59 PM |
| 2007-12-03 6:19 PM in reply to: #1079049 |
| Veteran 451 | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant My question is: Does nobody realize that it is a bunch of kids playing in these bowls? Yeah for most people the games might not matter that much but for the students playing it s a big deal. Wouldn't you love to be able to look back and say: yeah, we won that championship game, it was great? Coming from another angle: a lot of the guys that are playing are in their late teens or very early twenties. The amount of games they play is hard enough on their bodies already, adding another two or four games to the mix increases the risk of major risk exponentially. These guys aren't in the NFL, they play the game for fun. Lastly, remember that the season starts at the beginning of fall semester and ends before exams until they play in a bowl game. The players are students first, most of them aren't going to get a spot in the NFL, they need the extra time to do well in their studies. |
| 2007-12-03 6:42 PM in reply to: #1081044 |
| Elite 3130 | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant Big Sexy - 2007-12-03 2:12 PM Unless you are Georgia Tech traveling to Boise for the Humanitarian Bowl. The only humanitarian thing they could do is cancel it. Ahh, Boise in the winter. Well at least GT don't have to play Boise St. on their home field like BC did a couple of years ago. With that lovely blue turf. |
| 2007-12-03 6:47 PM in reply to: #1081365 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant bigscarymonster - 2007-12-03 7:19 PM My question is: Does nobody realize that it is a bunch of kids playing in these bowls? Yeah for most people the games might not matter that much but for the students playing it s a big deal. Wouldn't you love to be able to look back and say: yeah, we won that championship game, it was great? Coming from another angle: a lot of the guys that are playing are in their late teens or very early twenties. The amount of games they play is hard enough on their bodies already, adding another two or four games to the mix increases the risk of major risk exponentially. These guys aren't in the NFL, they play the game for fun. Lastly, remember that the season starts at the beginning of fall semester and ends before exams until they play in a bowl game. The players are students first, most of them aren't going to get a spot in the NFL, they need the extra time to do well in their studies. Thoroughly agree; this USED to be taken care of when it was 11 games and freshmen didn'ttplay. After schedule creep, it's 12 + a conference title game for those who raid other conferences so they can have one! (Did you see how pathetic attendance was the the Annonymous Collected Colleges (ACC) championship game!) If you want to have a playoff, we'd need to return to 11 games, have a modified "conference championship" be round 1, then seed the rest to round out to either 8 or 16 teams. Oh and at any RESPECTABLE D-1 school their "studies" are taken care of for them. That's what grad students are paid to do! Edited by pitt83 2007-12-03 6:53 PM |
| 2007-12-03 6:50 PM in reply to: #1081333 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant the bear - 2007-12-03 6:54 PM pitt83 - 2007-12-03 5:25 PM Testing the theory (without Google): 1.) Name the 64/65 NCAA tournament invites last year. I bet you can get to 20. 2.) Who WON the NIT last year? Thought so. Testing your theory (also without googling): Who won the following bowls last year:
Thought so. All but 5-6 of the bowls under the current set up are irrelevant to most of the fans, unless you're students or alumni of the schools. Hence the OP here. Being champion of the Irrelevant Bank and Trust Bowl in 2007, nowhere near the BCS contenders, it is no way diminished in 2008 if you're nowhere near qualifying for the playoffs. Touche. But they'll completely shrivel away with any playoffs. They're already fragile. Not saying I like what we have, I understand why we have it. |
| 2007-12-03 6:53 PM in reply to: #1079049 |
| Champion 9430 No excuses! | Subject: RE: College bowl games...rant This thread is complete BS The Bluebonnett Bowl is a must watch in my house every year ... WHAT it is no longer the Bluebonnett Bowl?? Then the International Bowl with Ball State and Rutgers is my new must see |
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