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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() As many of you also know I have been toying with the idea of selling my business to do something different. Not sure I want to start another business so that means working for "the man". I know a lot of people are unemployed. And this is not a gab against anyone who cannot find work, for everyone has their own story and reasons, but overall I'm really surprised at the difficulty that some people having finding a job. In the last 9 months I have had no less than 6 offers, 15-20 phone interviews (I had 3 this week), 6 in person interviews (all resulted in good offers that I turned down for other reasons) and countless jobs pitched to me that I really had no desire to peruse. I'm in a really interesting position as I do not have to "settle" and am looking for that perfect position. So why have I been so successful at this when other are having issues? You mean besides my dashing good looks and charming personality? Honestly it's the way I look for these positions. I'm going to share some of the things that have brought me success. I hope it'll help some of you who are looking. 1. Forget the job boards. Sure, take a few moments a week to look at Indeed (it scours all the major boards, one stop shopping) but that's what EVERYONE is doing. Don't waste too much time searching and searching. 2. Don't apply for everything. Recruiters talk. Your name will get around as someone who is desperate. 3. Try craigslist. Some smaller companies cannot (or will not pay) the fees that the big job boards want. Craigslist is free. Use http://www.allofcraigs.com/to search multiple cities. In fact I have hired 3 people for my company from craigslist ads. 4. Network. Go to local manufacturing/banking/your field here meetings and get to know people. Use LinkedIn. Grow you network. If you find a position you are interested in (wherever you may) use LinkedIn to find the hiring manager, or the position to which it will report, and write them. Apply in the normal methods but a personal note will make you stand out. 5. Research: Find the companies in your target area that you'd like to work for. Go to their websites. Many times they have positions on their website that are not on the job boards. 6. Cold call. This is probably the best tip I can give. Find a company you are interested in. Learn about them; their history, future plans, everything you can. Find a person in a position of seniority. Write then an email, introducing yourself and background, telling them what you can do to help fulfill their goals (specifically) and then ask if they would be interested in having a conversation about the possibility of their company needing someone with your skillset. This takes a LOT of talking. It takes a LOT of networking. You have to kiss a lot of frogs to find the prince(ss). However, I have "created" at least 3 positions based on this tactic. Companies that did not have a formal position open, created, or opened a position to speak to me about. Others took the time to have a phone call with me and at the very least I created a new network connection. This is not a high percentage method but if you focus on the right companies it can be very effective. People are impressed with employees who show drive and initiative. This is a great tool to check email addresses. Once you know one email address at a company you can guess the others and then check to see if it's good... http://verify-email.org/ Allof this takes time. If you are not working at finding a job at least 30 hours a week you are not trying hard enough. Finding a job is a full time job. Professional HR people may disagree with these suggestions (or may want to add to them) but in my experience this is what works. Your mileage may vary. Edited by TriRSquared 2012-05-16 1:57 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2012-05-16 1:51 PM Professional HR people may disagree with these suggestions (or may want to add to them) but in my experience this is what works. Your mileage may vary. Nope. I'm an HR professional and you pretty much hit it on the nose. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jmk-brooklyn - 2012-05-16 2:54 PM TriRSquared - 2012-05-16 1:51 PM Nope. I'm an HR professional and you pretty much hit it on the nose. Professional HR people may disagree with these suggestions (or may want to add to them) but in my experience this is what works. Your mileage may vary. Maybe I should go into HR.. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2012-05-16 2:57 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-05-16 2:54 PM TriRSquared - 2012-05-16 1:51 PM Nope. I'm an HR professional and you pretty much hit it on the nose. Professional HR people may disagree with these suggestions (or may want to add to them) but in my experience this is what works. Your mileage may vary. Maybe I should go into HR.. Shoot you can have my job if you want it.
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Such a timely post! I lost my job just over two weeks ago, and I'm searching again. I've never struggled to find employment, and I've gotten a few responses already. Thanks for the Craigslist tip, and the tip that recruiters talk. I'm trying to only apply for jobs I really want - but then I struggle with just wanting to work, period. You make me feel better about being picky - and about searching Craigslist! ...but wow does time drag on while job-searching and being unemployed! I'm actually looking into purchasing an already-established local business, where I would be owner/operator/sole employee - at least for a while. Why are you looking to sell your business? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ratherbeswimming - 2012-05-16 3:07 PMWhy are you looking to sell your business? Long story short: ready to try something different, live somewhere different. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Yes, thanks for the tips. I'm also currently among the ranks of the unemployed. I've had some interviews so far, but no offers yet. The interviews I did get were either off of CL or newspaper classifieds--nothing from job boards. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2012-05-16 3:22 PM ratherbeswimming - 2012-05-16 3:07 PM Why are you looking to sell your business? Long story short: ready to try something different, live somewhere different. Fair enough |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2012-05-16 12:51 PM You forgot to mention your cool looking resume.As many of you also know I have been toying with the idea of selling my business to do something different. Not sure I want to start another business so that means working for "the man". I know a lot of people are unemployed. And this is not a gab against anyone who cannot find work, for everyone has their own story and reasons, but overall I'm really surprised at the difficulty that some people having finding a job. In the last 9 months I have had no less than 6 offers, 15-20 phone interviews (I had 3 this week), 6 in person interviews (all resulted in good offers that I turned down for other reasons) and countless jobs pitched to me that I really had no desire to peruse. I'm in a really interesting position as I do not have to "settle" and am looking for that perfect position. So why have I been so successful at this when other are having issues? You mean besides my dashing good looks and charming personality? Honestly it's the way I look for these positions. I'm going to share some of the things that have brought me success. I hope it'll help some of you who are looking. 1. Forget the job boards. Sure, take a few moments a week to look at Indeed (it scours all the major boards, one stop shopping) but that's what EVERYONE is doing. Don't waste too much time searching and searching. 2. Don't apply for everything. Recruiters talk. Your name will get around as someone who is desperate. 3. Try craigslist. Some smaller companies cannot (or will not pay) the fees that the big job boards want. Craigslist is free. Use http://www.allofcraigs.com/to search multiple cities. In fact I have hired 3 people for my company from craigslist ads. 4. Network. Go to local manufacturing/banking/your field here meetings and get to know people. Use LinkedIn. Grow you network. If you find a position you are interested in (wherever you may) use LinkedIn to find the hiring manager, or the position to which it will report, and write them. Apply in the normal methods but a personal note will make you stand out. 5. Research: Find the companies in your target area that you'd like to work for. Go to their websites. Many times they have positions on their website that are not on the job boards. 6. Cold call. This is probably the best tip I can give. Find a company you are interested in. Learn about them; their history, future plans, everything you can. Find a person in a position of seniority. Write then an email, introducing yourself and background, telling them what you can do to help fulfill their goals (specifically) and then ask if they would be interested in having a conversation about the possibility of their company needing someone with your skillset. This takes a LOT of talking. It takes a LOT of networking. You have to kiss a lot of frogs to find the prince(ss). However, I have "created" at least 3 positions based on this tactic. Companies that did not have a formal position open, created, or opened a position to speak to me about. Others took the time to have a phone call with me and at the very least I created a new network connection. This is not a high percentage method but if you focus on the right companies it can be very effective. People are impressed with employees who show drive and initiative. This is a great tool to check email addresses. Once you know one email address at a company you can guess the others and then check to see if it's good... http://verify-email.org/ Allof this takes time. If you are not working at finding a job at least 30 hours a week you are not trying hard enough. Finding a job is a full time job. Professional HR people may disagree with these suggestions (or may want to add to them) but in my experience this is what works. Your mileage may vary. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 4. 4. 4.
And I'll add this: even when you ARE employed, go down your list of contacts on a regular basis and chat with those people, hang out for lunch, see what they've been up to. Treat those acquaintances like friends and they'll have your back when you need them. Don't stay out of touch until you're job hunting and then appear out of nowhere looking for favors. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2012-05-16 1:22 PM ratherbeswimming - 2012-05-16 3:07 PMWhy are you looking to sell your business? Long story short: ready to try something different, live somewhere different. Colorado is calling Bud. The weather is beautiful. I am really struggling with this... not for me but my Sister. She has been going on 3 years now. IT stuff, very intelligent. Finally used up everything and is living with me. I have never had a problem, and I am really struggling with understanding. I don't get it. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-05-16 2:56 PM TriRSquared - 2012-05-16 1:22 PM ratherbeswimming - 2012-05-16 3:07 PMWhy are you looking to sell your business? Long story short: ready to try something different, live somewhere different. Colorado is calling Bud. The weather is beautiful. I am really struggling with this... not for me but my Sister. She has been going on 3 years now. IT stuff, very intelligent. Finally used up everything and is living with me. I have never had a problem, and I am really struggling with understanding. I don't get it. Not sure if this applies to her, but I know some people, myself included, have a hard time with tech interviews. The whiteboard, trick questions, writing code outside your normal editor environment -- all can be difficult. And a lot of it is ridiculous -- rote memorization of stuff you would normally just auto-complete or find on Google. Microsoft is largely to blame for this interview style and it has spread throughout the tech industry, particularly now to Google. I highly recommend a book called "Programming Interviews Exposed" if you're going in to that sort of technical beatdown. I'd say around 90% of the tech interview questions I've encountered over the years were covered in that single book. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks Spud. I'll pass it along. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-05-16 5:56 PM TriRSquared - 2012-05-16 1:22 PM ratherbeswimming - 2012-05-16 3:07 PMWhy are you looking to sell your business? Long story short: ready to try something different, live somewhere different. Colorado is calling Bud. The weather is beautiful. I am really struggling with this... not for me but my Sister. She has been going on 3 years now. IT stuff, very intelligent. Finally used up everything and is living with me. I have never had a problem, and I am really struggling with understanding. I don't get it. Find me a mechanical startup near the front range, I'll start packing. Too bad they are all internet companies.. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2012-05-16 6:03 PM powerman - 2012-05-16 5:56 PM TriRSquared - 2012-05-16 1:22 PM ratherbeswimming - 2012-05-16 3:07 PMWhy are you looking to sell your business? Long story short: ready to try something different, live somewhere different. Colorado is calling Bud. The weather is beautiful. I am really struggling with this... not for me but my Sister. She has been going on 3 years now. IT stuff, very intelligent. Finally used up everything and is living with me. I have never had a problem, and I am really struggling with understanding. I don't get it. Find me a mechanical startup near the front range, I'll start packing. Too bad they are all internet companies.. Ya...and that didn't work out so well for a few folks. I'll see what I can find. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm in the process of interviewing candidates right now for a position. I have turned away 3 qualified people because they smoke.
QUIT SMOKING!!!!!!
(wouldn't have expected this one to make it on to a tri board, but for those who might talk to relatives.....) |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Agree with everything you've written. I'd add the following points based on my own experiences:During the interview process, send a timely email thanking the interviewer (or everyone you speak with) for their time and identifying any follow-up items (like "you mentioned ABC, and I was thinking, that was similar to the time I did XYZ where I saved with company XX% in costs"). I'm still surprised, as a hiring manager, how many people fail to simply follow-up. It might be worth having someone review your resume. I paid someone to do this. While I still think I overpaid, it was helpful to have someone independently craft my resume and highlight things I hadn't though of.I honestly would not even bother with cover letters. Every job I've gotten came from my network and I've never sent a cover letter. Edited by jonathan22 2012-05-18 8:34 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-05-18 5:59 PM I'm in the process of interviewing candidates right now for a position. I have turned away 3 qualified people because they smoke.
QUIT SMOKING!!!!!!
(wouldn't have expected this one to make it on to a tri board, but for those who might talk to relatives.....) may i ask why? is it a healthcare cost thing or a lost productivity thing? or just a personal preference? or hygiene? how else would you know they smoke unless they straight up smelled... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Be careful with Craigslist. There's a lot of fake jobs who want you to fill out an "application" first asking for social security, address, date of birth, etc. they will not answer emails or phone calls until they have your information. Snopes has details on these types of ads. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mehaner - 2012-05-21 1:55 PM jgaither - 2012-05-18 5:59 PM I'm in the process of interviewing candidates right now for a position. I have turned away 3 qualified people because they smoke. QUIT SMOKING!!!!!! (wouldn't have expected this one to make it on to a tri board, but for those who might talk to relatives.....) may i ask why? is it a healthcare cost thing or a lost productivity thing? or just a personal preference? or hygiene? how else would you know they smoke unless they straight up smelled... IMHO not hiring them gives a more pleasant workplace. I work with several smokers, they reek and heaven help you if your conference room is small or other people in your group have asthma. There's plenty of other qualified people out there. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mehaner - 2012-05-21 3:55 PM jgaither - 2012-05-18 5:59 PM I'm in the process of interviewing candidates right now for a position. I have turned away 3 qualified people because they smoke.
QUIT SMOKING!!!!!!
(wouldn't have expected this one to make it on to a tri board, but for those who might talk to relatives.....) may i ask why? is it a healthcare cost thing or a lost productivity thing? or just a personal preference? or hygiene? how else would you know they smoke unless they straight up smelled... I'll straight up ask in an interview if they smoke. Right now I'm just telling recruiters not to send me any smokers. We do temp to hire when we can, and we'll find out eventually. A few reasons: 1)Productivity: they take smoke breaks that make them unavailable. 2) team unity: constant breaks can cause friction b/w co-workers. We currently have a culture that doesn't take breaks or lunch and it works pretty well. They are allowed to, just no one does. 3) it smells Healthcare is a secondary concern, but since our healthcare is privately funded, it should probably be a primary concern. I don't really care what they do, to be honest, but that doesn't mean that I have to work with them. Ironically every one that works here (me included) is a former smoker. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-05-22 9:59 AM mehaner - 2012-05-21 3:55 PM jgaither - 2012-05-18 5:59 PM I'm in the process of interviewing candidates right now for a position. I have turned away 3 qualified people because they smoke.
QUIT SMOKING!!!!!!
(wouldn't have expected this one to make it on to a tri board, but for those who might talk to relatives.....) may i ask why? is it a healthcare cost thing or a lost productivity thing? or just a personal preference? or hygiene? how else would you know they smoke unless they straight up smelled... I'll straight up ask in an interview if they smoke. Right now I'm just telling recruiters not to send me any smokers. We do temp to hire when we can, and we'll find out eventually. A few reasons: 1)Productivity: they take smoke breaks that make them unavailable. 2) team unity: constant breaks can cause friction b/w co-workers. We currently have a culture that doesn't take breaks or lunch and it works pretty well. They are allowed to, just no one does. 3) it smells Healthcare is a secondary concern, but since our healthcare is privately funded, it should probably be a primary concern. I don't really care what they do, to be honest, but that doesn't mean that I have to work with them. Ironically every one that works here (me included) is a former smoker. no breaks no lunch? yeah, even as a non smoker, i would not be a fit for your culture! former smoker as well, and it's funny you mention the resentment issue - the ONLY reason i became a regular smoker (rather than just an occasional cig when drinking) was because at my waitressing job the ONLY way to get a break was a smoke break! and waiting tables was hard work! yes i will sit my butt down in the back room and smoke one! |
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![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-05-22 8:59 AM We currently have a culture that doesn't take breaks or lunch and it works pretty well. They are allowed to, just no one does. 3) it smells You must not be unionized I completely understand the "smell" thing - my nose is fairly sensitive and 2nd hand smoke gives me headaches, red eyes, etc. But is that a legit and legally-okay justification to not hire someone because they "smell?" What if they were gawd-awful perfume, or don't wear deodorant? Not hired? |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mehaner - 2012-05-22 9:41 AM jgaither - 2012-05-22 9:59 AM mehaner - 2012-05-21 3:55 PM jgaither - 2012-05-18 5:59 PM I'm in the process of interviewing candidates right now for a position. I have turned away 3 qualified people because they smoke.
QUIT SMOKING!!!!!!
(wouldn't have expected this one to make it on to a tri board, but for those who might talk to relatives.....) may i ask why? is it a healthcare cost thing or a lost productivity thing? or just a personal preference? or hygiene? how else would you know they smoke unless they straight up smelled... I'll straight up ask in an interview if they smoke. Right now I'm just telling recruiters not to send me any smokers. We do temp to hire when we can, and we'll find out eventually. A few reasons: 1)Productivity: they take smoke breaks that make them unavailable. 2) team unity: constant breaks can cause friction b/w co-workers. We currently have a culture that doesn't take breaks or lunch and it works pretty well. They are allowed to, just no one does. 3) it smells Healthcare is a secondary concern, but since our healthcare is privately funded, it should probably be a primary concern. I don't really care what they do, to be honest, but that doesn't mean that I have to work with them. Ironically every one that works here (me included) is a former smoker. no breaks no lunch? yeah, even as a non smoker, i would not be a fit for your culture! former smoker as well, and it's funny you mention the resentment issue - the ONLY reason i became a regular smoker (rather than just an occasional cig when drinking) was because at my waitressing job the ONLY way to get a break was a smoke break! and waiting tables was hard work! yes i will sit my butt down in the back room and smoke one! We have a small office and we all like what we do. That's the type of team I'm trying to build. Like minds with differing opinions and similar vision. I suppose I do take breaks occasionally they just consist of asking a coworker how their weekend was, but I don't have to go but 2 feet outside my office to do that and I'm accessible by phone or e-mail the entire time. What would I do on my break anyway? Either come on BT (which I do) or think about what I should be doing at work. It just doesn't make much sense. I can go to lunch every day if I want to and we have girl who does, but I got stuff to do and I don't want to get stuck late at the office because I took a lunch and a bunch of breaks during the day. There are also days (especially in the last 3 years) that I haven't had a single thing to do all day. So I sat on COJ all day. It all evens out. I don't mind people who take breaks, but I don't want to hire anyone who's looking for them. And you're right, not everyone is going to fit into our culture. It's got it advantages and disadvantages just like any other. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2012-05-22 11:12 AM jgaither - 2012-05-22 8:59 AM We currently have a culture that doesn't take breaks or lunch and it works pretty well. They are allowed to, just no one does. 3) it smells You must not be unionized I completely understand the "smell" thing - my nose is fairly sensitive and 2nd hand smoke gives me headaches, red eyes, etc. But is that a legit and legally-okay justification to not hire someone because they "smell?" What if they were gawd-awful perfume, or don't wear deodorant? Not hired? correct we aren't union. There are divisions of the company that are, but down here we aren't. Texas is an "at will" employment state which means you can be fired for hair color but not skin color. Smell, as long as it's not disability related, is not a protected class. I've had an employee that didn't wear deodorant and wore a ton of cologne to cover it up (I never ventured to guess the logic). I pulled him aside away from public view, gave him $5 for dry cleaning, and a stick of antiperspirant and said "3 things, go get your suit dry cleaned, wear this, and chill out on the cologne. Maybe one squirt's enough. People are talking about you stinking." No problems after that. So I'd probably tell them to lighten up on the perfume. What do you do if you someone has spinach stuck in their teeth? Same thing. One is sight other is nose. |
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