Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??
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2009-09-09 1:00 PM |
Cycling Guru 15134![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Fulton, MD | Subject: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??Brief summary of my condition: I was recently diagnosed with Atrial Fibrilation. For those that don't know (or don't feel like Googling) it is when you've got some "faulty wiring" going on with the nerves that cause the atria to contract and pump the upper chambers of the heart. Instead of pumping evenly, there will be periods where everything is "firing" at once and you get a whole lot of fluttering. Seems like your HR is all the way up to the 250+range. Only problem is, the atria are not really pumping much, so the blood just kind of sits there. What does that mean? Well, light headed, dizzy, sometimes people faint. Which is a risk if an episode should happen while swimming. But highest concern is blood clotting in your heart. Leads to strokes quite often. I've been having what I would call heart fluttering episodes for a few years, but it has gotten pretty noticeable this year with 2 separate times in the pool where I had to stop swimming and get out and sit down for a few minutes earlier in the season. My wife's cousin's husband is a well known cardiologist around here so she insisted on me seeing him. EKG and ECG plus wearing an event monitor so I could record any episodes and the diagnose was confirmed. So he put me on a medication (beta blocker) which I pretty much have to take for the rest of my life. It is designed to act basically as a governor for my heart not allowing the nerves to fire as rapidly. Basically, it is a "rev limiter." There are a lot of potential side effects but he said that I can still do everything I've always done. Problem is, it seems as if it will all just be slower ............ My Dad and my uncle (his brother) both have it as well. My Dad has had paddles to try and fix the rhythm, one medication, surgery and another medication to try and get it to work right. He used to be a pretty decent runner for his age and he said when he started on his medication he went from running in the 8's to running closer to 11's. That's just f-cking great ........ exactly what I wanted to hear. So, anyone else have anything similar happen? Any tachycardia or fibrilation sufferers out there want to share their experiences and hopefully success stories?? Because I'm not in a very good place right now when it comes to my future expectations with endurance sports. In fact, if I typically didn't have a fairly positive outlook on life I'd be pretty damn depressed right now. I've got two more tris (in the next two weekends), a running relay accross MD and two marathons all in the next 7 weeks and for the first time in my life I am really worried about my performances and abilities. |
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2009-09-09 1:04 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Elite 4048![]() ![]() ![]() Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??Rick- That sucks, man. I know there are a few athletes on ST that have posted about their experiences with a-fib, you might search there as well. John |
2009-09-09 1:09 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Cycling Guru 15134![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??Well, I did just order another HRM so I can compare to what I used to get for numbers early last year before losing my old one, so that should make all the HR weenies happy. Interesting thing I read in Noakes' Lore of Running is that endurance athletes have a much higher risk of getting it than normal people. Like 5% versus much less than 1%. |
2009-09-09 1:09 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??Like John said, lots of A Fib posts on ST. I feel for you man. I know what it's like to be "healthy" and all of a sudden having your world turned upside down and being told you can't do the things you love to do (or at least, as well.....). Still early in the process though. I've learned that sometimes you have to learn to live with a "new normal." And perhaps there are alternatives you can look at. good luck with it Chris |
2009-09-09 1:22 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
New user 13 | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??I had something called PSVT which is a form of tachycardia. Mine was exercise induced. They put me on beta blockers to start and said i would need them for the rest of my life. They made me soooo tired and I always felt awful, so I looked into other options. The doctor said he could do a cardiac ablation. At that point I would have tried anything. The surgery worked great, and I have been episode free for almost 5 years. If that surgery is an option for your diagnosis, I would look into it! Best decision I've ever made. FYI, I was diagnosed when I was 18, I was an athlete (tennis player), but not a triathlete. I took up triathlons when I was 21 (post surgery). I've now raced a bunch of sprints, 3 oly's, 3 HIMs and 1 IM. If you have any other questions, let me know!! |
2009-09-09 1:51 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Veteran 190![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??
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2009-09-09 1:58 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Cycling Guru 15134![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??Yeah, lots of people over on ST with A-Fib. Damn, didn't realize it was that common in the crowd. Even with the drug (Sotalol for me) I still had a mild episode yesterday. Perhaps that was because it has only been a little over a week and I am not still through the period where it has kicked in, or because it is a fairly low dose. But i think I would prefer ablation if that would "cure" it. My wife wants none of that though ....... People kept mentioning alcohol and caffeine over on ST, but my cardio. said that they had found that there is actually no correlation between those things and the condition. |
2009-09-09 2:34 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Expert 1104![]() ![]() Canada | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems?? |
2009-09-09 3:07 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Pro 4277![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Parker, CO | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??really a bummer...sorry to hear this! I do not have the heart issue you have but I did have a minor stroke a couple years ago. some issue came up that I won't get into but I can somewhat relate to how you feel...it sucks! After several months being a coach potato I started training again and continue to do so. I know from some of your other posts that you have a family. I'm am sure you are doing this but keep them in mind with all your decisions. Somehow the bumps in the road always seem a little smoother when looking into my kids eyes! |
2009-09-09 3:12 PM in reply to: #2397348 |
Cycling Guru 15134![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??rayd - 2009-09-09 4:07 PM I know from some of your other posts that you have a family. I'm am sure you are doing this but keep them in mind with all your decisions. Somehow the bumps in the road always seem a little smoother when looking into my kids eyes! That's why I stopped being such a stubborn tool and went to the doctor ......... I want to live long enough to see them have their own kids that drive them crazy. |
2009-09-09 3:19 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Master 1591![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() San Diego, CA | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??I feel your pain. My Dr. put me on beta blockers for a heart related issue. Initally my performance sucked going from 8 and 9 min/miles to 11 and 12 but after time I was able to slowly improve and get back to the 8 and 9 min mile range. I lucked out and the Dr took me off the medication several months ago. It will take time to get used to the meds but I found it possible to get back to a performance level I was used to. It felt like I was coming back from an injury, it just took time (about a month). Hang in there! |
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2009-09-09 4:24 PM in reply to: #2397384 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??Yes. I was diagonsed with a Right Brachial Bundle Branch Block (say that 3 times really fast...), which basically means (as I understand) that the electric impulse to the right side of my heart is slowed or stopped. Because heart tissue can make and conduct its own electrical impulse, a blockage is usually compensated for by literally rerouting the impulse through the heart tissue itself. The doctor says it shouldn't be an issue for me at all, but to keep it in the back of my mind... It's not a big deal, I have been told. |
2009-09-09 4:32 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Veteran 749![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??What a bummer. Keep a positive outlook boy and you'll be allright. It's just a sport. John. |
2009-09-09 5:10 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Master 2327![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() North Alabama | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??Daremo, I don't have a-fib, but the doc's have noticed a murmer at times in my heart, which is cause for concern. They picked up on it when I was sick once and thought it sounded funny. After the second EKG and ECG, they found it. Determined it to possibly be a "ghost murmer" but could develop if anything goes crazy. Currently, I'm not on any med's but I've been heavily warned to keep checking the HR after workouts and if ANYTHING feels odd, I'm supposed to come in. That's been going on a little over a year now. Take care of the heart, train smart, and listen to the body. That's about all I can say for you... |
2009-09-09 5:30 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Extreme Veteran 411![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() San Antonio | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??I have a hypoactive Thyroid. Its more of a hormone thing.... But if my levels are off, my heartrate drops as well as my metabolism. Last time the hormones were off, my resting heartrate was 40. Sounds like a great heartrate to have.... but i'm not exactly lance armstrong.... or yussain bolt. And yes, i have to take a pill every day for the rest of my life. Immagine hearing that news at the age of 19... |
2009-09-09 5:44 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Elite 2796![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Texas | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??I had two episodes of A-Fib when I was in my late 20's. The first time I had to be "chemically converted" with IV medication in the ER. The second time I spontaneously converted on the way to the ER. Definitely a weird feeling. I knew what it was, but I didn't like it one bit. I'm thankful it hasn't recurred. I can't really offer any advice you didn't already hear from your doc. Just wanted to say I feel for you man. Sucks... As for the beta-blocker and performance, just mentally plan to be the exception. Good joo-joo never hurts. |
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2009-09-09 6:19 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Expert 1187![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Ontario | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??If you are having side effects that are bothering you and affecting your quality of life you should talk to your doctor about alternative medications. Be sure he is aware of your level of activity and training intensity and that this is an important part of your life. I take meds for high BP since 2000. It is still hard for me to accept that I try to live healthy and exercise and still have to take meds. We've tried cutting down/stopping but my pressure just shoots right back up if I even miss one day. I am on a med now that works well for me with no noticable side effects. I had tried a couple others before that had really bothersome SE and my DR was very willing to change to something else. Good luck with this. Try not to get too discouraged. As you state being there for your kids is the most important thing. |
2009-09-09 6:23 PM in reply to: #2397660 |
Extreme Veteran 1996![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Halifax, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??Bill - 2009-09-09 7:44 PM As for the beta-blocker and performance, just mentally plan to be the exception. Good joo-joo never hurts. I would do the reverse. Prepare to be much slower on the beta blockers and if things are better than expected, great. I have heart failure caused by familial dilated cardiomyopathy and take BB's and an Ace inhibitor. The latter has little to no effect on on exercise tolerance, the BB's is significant. The BB will also effect your ability to burn fat when you exercise and to maintain muscle mass. If the Ace is just as good for your condition (which I doubt) I would strongly recommend it over the BB assuming you have good renal function. My race/training times are significantly slower post BB than before and I have changed my reasons for racing. I cannot compete for AG podiums any more and now I race for the fitness, friendships, and fun of being part of a great sport. But I have to say it was a long road to get my head there. I am very sorry you have this but am glad it was caught. Good luck- I wish you the best in adapting to this new reality. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions; I am much better educated on beta blockers and ace inhibitors than I want to be! best regards, Blair |
2009-09-09 7:43 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Extreme Veteran 536![]() ![]() Millersville, MD | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??My wife, who has a strong running background, is in the same boat you are in. Same problem, also on a beta blocker. She has been on the meds for a few years now. If I recall correctly, it takes a while for the meds to work, and then the side effects even out. Her heart rate is blocked from going over a certain point, so her ability to run is somewhat limited to lower effort levels. She tried to push through it and get her heart rate up, but the meds do what they are supposed to do, prevent that. So for running, that sucks. For the other 99% of your day, it's a better quality of life, as the heart episodes can be both debilitating and unnerving. Now, she can still run. When she first started the meds, that was questionable, one doctor told her she would not be able to run while on the meds. That was difficult to accept. Later, another doctor who was more knowledgeable explained exactly what the meds do, block the heart from going over a certain point, so she learned to deal with that. It took time to adjust to, both mentally and physically. In the end, while it has hurt her athletic performance, she has no more scary heart issues, which is much more important. And she can still run and do other endurance sports, just not at the highest effort levels. On some level, I think she enjoys it more now than when she took it for granted, she appreciates it. It certainly stinks to go through what you are going through. But it gets better after you're on the meds, and you will adjust. Enjoy your family and the running. And enjoy the solitude of knowing that you won't have more of those heart episodes to deal with. Good luck. |
2009-09-09 8:23 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Champion 5376![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() PA | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??On the positive side, I am happy for you and all those close to you that you have chosen such a healthy lifestyle. I imagine Atrial Fibrilation is much more risky for those with the standard American eating and exercise habits. I would rather see you run 11's and stay alive. Keep your chin up man. It's a health condition but you are aware of it. That's a good thing. |
2009-09-09 8:28 PM in reply to: #2396993 |
Champion 7347![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??I have had PVCs (skip beat) my entire life. There are times when you heart will skip a beat. It basically stops, resets and then starts beating again. The restart beat is VERY forceful. I went to the doc and had the entire set of tests (EKG, echo, halter monitor etc..) and got a clean bill of health. He said I could go on beta blockers if I wanted but gave me the same "rev limiter" warnings. I find mine are related to stress. When my stress levels go down they go away. I know how disconcerting heart issues can be. |
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2009-09-10 12:11 AM in reply to: #2396993 |
Master 3479![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Utah | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??First off, I'm sorry you are going through this. I know it's all looming so large right now, just know that it will all be ok. Here's my story--sorry about the novel-- I have paroxysmal a-fib. I was diagnosed when I was in nursing school, of all things. I was in my early 20's, and not athletically active at the time. I was, however, a swimmer throughout my entire childhood and teenage years. My cardiologist ran the whole gammut of tests--the echo, the holter monitor, the event monitor. I was put on a beta blocker, had the nasty activity intolerance (just going up one flight of stairs left me winded for 10 minutes. I had never experienced that in my entire life), tried a different med or two. I still had minor episodes even on the meds, although they were fewer, shorter and didn't leave me feeling like I'd just run a marathon. I eventually went to a different cardiologist (due to insurance changes) and talked him into letting me go off the meds. I was told that due to my young age, and absence of some other risk factors, and the fact that my episodes self-corrected in less than 24 hours, I am at a low risk of developing a clot, and that in light of my youth, career choice, and the fact that I had episodes anyway while on the meds, got the ok to stop the meds. If I have a symptomatic episode (dizzy, near blacking out, feel like I can't get a good breath, or lasts longer than a few hours) then I am to head straight to the nearest ER. I did go to an urgent care clinic once when I had a yucky episode while driving. They acted like I was crazy, the EKG was fine, the monitor had my HR high, but regular, then it went back to my norm while I was on the monitor. No changes in the approach by the doc after that. As a matter of fact, the only time I've ever had to go back and change the approach was after I delivered my second child, and had hemorraged after the delivery. I went back on a beta blocker for 6 months. I find that I have more episodes, and the episodes are more tiring, when I get physically fatigued for a prolonged period of time (like a week or more), stressed out, or don't eat/drink well. I find that the emotional stress is the most reliable trigger of those three. I did find an article just after I was diagnosed that talked about athletes and those who were athletes in their youth being much more likely to develop a-fib in their 3rd and 4th decades of life. Just take care of your body, and take care of your mind/spirit. Hope you find the answers you are looking for. |
2009-09-10 12:38 AM in reply to: #2397017 |
Champion 5782![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??ChrisM - 2009-09-09 11:09 AM Like John said, lots of A Fib posts on ST. I feel for you man. I know what it's like to be "healthy" and all of a sudden having your world turned upside down and being told you can't do the things you love to do (or at least, as well.....). Still early in the process though. I've learned that sometimes you have to learn to live with a "new normal." And perhaps there are alternatives you can look at. good luck with it Chris Ditto what Chris said...not cardiac in my case, but just diagnosed with a disorder that requires probably lifelong treatments (starting next week...I hope) that will likely constrain my endurance sports participation to an as-yet-unknown degree. I'm just resolved to keep things in perspective and appreciate whatever level of participation I'm able to maintain...even if it ends up being far less than I want to believe. Hang in there. |
2009-09-10 2:36 AM in reply to: #2396993 |
Champion 7036![]() ![]() ![]() Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??My situation is a bit different, but some of the implications are similar. I was born with a congenital bicuspuid aortic valve and had to have it replaced with a mechanical valve almost nine years ago. My original leaky valve also resulted in enlargement of my left ventricle, the chamber that forces the blood out of the heart through the aortic valve. The mechanical valve means that I will have to take anti-coagulants (Coumadin) for the rest of my life to minimize the risk of stroke or heart attack resulting from blood clots forming on the valve. My doctors support and encourage my triathlon participation, but with the proviso that I limit my HR in training to 75-85% of LTHR, or zone 2. I also had to stop heavy weight training, particularly max lifts or doings sets to failure. My HR restrictions basically cap or limit my potential performance. In my case I didn't start tri training until three years after my surgery, so I am still managing to see improvement, but more due to weight loss and better overall fitness. At 56 I'm also starting to see the effects of aging, particularly in increasing recovery times after exercise. Throw in some bad genetics, and it all means I'm pretty much relegated to the BOP. I'm okay with that, but I can imagine that it would be more difficult for you than me Rick, since you have been a very competitive athlete and have been able to perform at a high level. At some point you need to be somewhat philosophical about such things. I know that my experiences have helped to better priioritze things in my life. The most important thing is to think about your family and what you mean to them. Wishing you all the best, Mark Edited by RedCorvette 2009-09-10 2:37 AM |
2009-09-10 3:35 AM in reply to: #2396993 |
Extreme Veteran 877![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Pa | Subject: RE: Anyone else have any sort of heart related issues or problems??Sorry to hear about your news. I had very similar symptoms as you did and they progressed over a few years. They first started off as just little increases in heart rate and then became events feeling like my heart was beating out of my chest, breaking out into a sweat, and passing out. Finally went to the doctor -- did all the tests. It was a few different things but in the end it was the AVNRT (AV node re-entry tachycardia - electrical problem in the heart) that was the culprit. I tried meds but I was SUPER resistant and didn't like the side effects at all. I about refused to take them. I ended up having the Catheter Ablation a few times and it seemed to fix everything. I'm not sure if the ablation is an option for you or not but it was the best thing I did for this problem. The meds weren't something I was willing to deal with (I was younger and more of a rebel at the time) and I was willing to simply deal with the symptoms of the AVNRT; however, my cardiologist understood me and suggested the ablation. I hope all goes well for you. |
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