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2006-08-04 4:11 PM

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Subject: what is a 'hilly' ride for you?
lately i've been paying more attention to the elevation gain of my rides (next race will have a *very* hilly bike segment.) since i live in the SF Bay Area, hills are almost impossible to avoid. most of my 50 milers sport around 5000' of altitude gain. even when i try to avoid everything steep, a 'flat' 50 miler will still have around 2000' of gain.

makes me wonder how it is in your neck of the woods. (i remember reading that some people have a hard time finding hills to train on.)

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2006-08-04 4:13 PM
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DFW is flat. No hills to train on except one in the neighborhood. Up and down. Up and down is the only way to do some hill training.
2006-08-04 4:17 PM
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Subject: RE: what is a 'hilly' ride for you?
I live in Southern Indiana with the "knobs" (biggest hill is around 1.5 miles, at about 8%, and have some .75 mile hills at about 15%)

Anyways, my 27 mile ride today had an altitude gain of 1300 feet not including the rollers.

How do you keep track of your altitude gain during rides? Just curious as I want to really focus on my climbing this winter and want to pound out the hills.

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2006-08-04 4:19 PM
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Subject: RE: what is a 'hilly' ride for you?
Riding into a 30 mph headwind has to do for a "hilly ride" where I'm at in West Central Texas. There are a few hills around here but you have to go looking for them.
2006-08-04 4:27 PM
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How do you keep track of your altitude gain during rides? Just curious as I want to really focus on my climbing this winter and want to pound out the hills.


there's a lot of nerds around here - this being Sily Valley - and there's several online maps that list the altitude gain of the most common rides. maybe there's one for your area, too? i found them through the websites of local bike clubs. i also use a program called Topfusion. i feed the track from my GPS into it and it'll use the coordinates together with satellite altitude measurements to figure out the total elevation. still - it's never really accurate. there's just too many little valleys and bumps around. i assume an error of a few 100'.
2006-08-04 4:48 PM
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I only know my alt gains by, like you, what has been posted by my local bike club, and I hit several of those hills today, it would be nice to know it all though. I want to look into one of the Garmins, after the zipp purchase of course!


2006-08-04 4:51 PM
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I ride mostly in East Tennessee.  We have hills.  I go up 100-200 ft and down continuously.  I recored ascents.  like 1600 ft in my most common 12 mile ride.   I consider it hilly with lots of short steep grades.  8% qualifies as steep.  Anything over 13% really steep.   There is one hill that averages 16% and is more than a quarter mile.  It is a test of manhood.  I measure all this with an Edge 305 and its built-in barometric altimeter which is so-so on accuracy.   I consider the "smoothed" downloaded data better than the readings I see while riding.

 

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2006-08-04 5:38 PM
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5,000+ ft is hilly for me.  Nearly all of my LSD rides exceed 7,000 ft.  One must be creative to keep the elevation under 2,500 ft in this area.  I track my elevation on my Garmin, and post it in my log, but it would be cool if BT had a way to track elevation like all of the other stats, such as miles ridden for the year, etc. 

As for a strictly "flat" route around here - I'm afraid that ~2,000 ft is about par for the course on the peninsula. 



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2006-08-04 6:54 PM
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Yellow_Dawg - 2006-08-04 3:19 PM Riding into a 30 mph headwind has to do for a "hilly ride" where I'm at in West Central Texas. There are a few hills around here but you have to go looking for them.

30mph wind and let's not forget the chipseal!  That adds a few % grade easily!

2006-08-04 6:59 PM
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awol - 2006-08-04 5:11 PM makes me wonder how it is in your neck of the woods. (i remember reading that some people have a hard time finding hills to train on.)

I think the highway overpass down the road from me has about 20' elevation gain. 

2006-08-04 9:08 PM
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Awol, look up a program called Klimb. It's mostly geared toward Bay Area cyclists, and it has maps with nodes at common intersections. Not particularly well developed yet (at least not for the Mac version--I haven't tried the Windows version), but it gets the job done, and you can get total climbing and so on.

I also just found Gmap Pedometer (http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=342616), which has fantastic potential for biking routes as well as running routes. You can get elevation maps, and it gives you mile markers. Awesome.


2006-08-05 8:13 AM
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http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=343113

 

that is probably the toughest hill around were I'm from that I have seen.  You know its bad when you drive in your car and think about how hard or sweet this hill would be.   

2006-08-05 8:21 AM
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5000' ?? Bwah, hahahah...

Around here, the biggest single 'hill' is approximately 1/3 of a mile long and rises all of 140 feet.  It's toughest right around the middle, where it has a whopping 6% grade.

A 'hill workout' means lots of repeats.

2006-08-05 9:29 AM
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puellasolis - 2006-08-04 7:08 PM

Awol, look up a program called Klimb. It's mostly geared toward Bay Area cyclists, and it has maps with nodes at common intersections. Not particularly well developed yet (at least not for the Mac version--I haven't tried the Windows version), but it gets the job done, and you can get total climbing and so on.


the Bill Bushnell map - that's what i was using! i'll check out that KLIMB program. adding up the elevation manually does get a bit tedious.
2006-08-05 9:30 AM
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drdi - 2006-08-04 7:59 PM
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I think the highway overpass down the road from me has about 20' elevation gain. 



this is exactly why i'm doing my first oly in two weeks near Columbus, OH...and so my mom can watch me compete...

i don't know the elevations where i'm at, but i definitely cannot avoid hills. i would call them medium-hard rolling/steep hills...at least that's how they look from under the visor of my helmet.

although i have yet to get off my bike and walk them, i've been humbled many a times by being in the lowest of all gears, going practically no where. but then again, my cycling skills are pretty paltry.
2006-08-05 2:21 PM
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Subject: RE: what is a 'hilly' ride for you?
Hills?! Ha! Having grown up on the East Coast and Northeast PA; and spending many a winter in VT skiing - I have some appreciation of hills. I have also been to San Fran and walked those hills in town - WOW! And been to the French Alps -- big hills! Wow!

But I now live in a part of WI where there are 'bumps' at best. The biggest hill is in a state park where it's long and slow incline is the only real training hill that I know of.

To keep it in perspective, my son who is three will enthusiastically yell "BIG MOUNTAIN" as we pass the local land fill. Ha!


2006-08-05 2:52 PM
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I think the highway overpass down the road from me has about 20' elevation gain. 

Same here - flat as the prarie plains - the best I can muster is a 40k route that takes me over 3 overpasses. 

2006-08-05 5:00 PM
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shadowfax - 2006-08-04 3:17 PM I live in Southern Indiana with the "knobs" (biggest hill is around 1.5 miles, at about 8%,

That wouldn't be Bear Wallow hill would it?  That hill is fun.

 

Ever since I left Indiana, I have not ridden on flat ground.  Every ride I do has something 10% or larger.  I also figured out they lable hills wrong around here.  Coming back into town today I was going down a hill that I would guess was 10%.  They labeled it as 6% on the sign warning trucks.  6% grade is almost railroad grade (5%).  The marathon I ran was on old rail bed, and up hill the first half.  There is no way that hill was only 1% steeper then that rail bed.

 

2006-08-06 11:56 AM
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I would call this a "hilly" ride.  www.bicyclerace.com  I am in no shape to ride it yet but I did climb to the 14,135ft summit a few years ago from the Mt. Goliath area.  It starts to get painfull after 11,000 feet and everything goes in slow motion after about 13,500.

  As you can see the easy way to the top of Mt. Evans is to drive.

2006-08-07 4:07 PM
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awol - 2006-08-05 7:29 AM
puellasolis - 2006-08-04 7:08 PM Awol, look up a program called Klimb. It's mostly geared toward Bay Area cyclists, and it has maps with nodes at common intersections. Not particularly well developed yet (at least not for the Mac version--I haven't tried the Windows version), but it gets the job done, and you can get total climbing and so on.
the Bill Bushnell map - that's what i was using! i'll check out that KLIMB program. adding up the elevation manually does get a bit tedious.

Have any of you tried bimactive.com ? There aren't a lot of routes yet , not as many as KLIMB but it is quite intuitive , uses Google Maps and stores your routes for future ref.

I like it and the folks on the Vertical challenge thread used to use this regularly (not sure now) .

2006-08-07 5:18 PM
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i don't see any added value with bimactive. they don't provide anything that i can't get for free or via the BT site.

i also don't like their position (but this might just be a pet peeve of mine) that "$9.99 is less than the cost of a bottle of water on each outing". i happen to be one of those people who don't need Tahitian Mountain Spring water to quench their thirst - tap water will do.

plus, i'm not a big fan of 'do-everthing' devices. they usually do everthing a bit or even a lot worse than dedicated devices. so i'd rather use my Garmin and my own software to track routes and use my cell for phone calls.

i'm not sure how much on top of the $10 a month the data transfer would run you but i think that over the course of a year you will have spend enough money to be in the ballpark of the cost of a dedicated GPS device, which also works in areas with no cell phone coverage. and that is where i usually run / ride and want to know elevation / mileage.

so in conclusion - i'm not one of their potential customers.


2006-08-07 5:21 PM
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sty - 2006-08-05 2:52 PM

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I think the highway overpass down the road from me has about 20' elevation gain. 

Same here - flat as the prarie plains - the best I can muster is a 40k route that takes me over 3 overpasses. 

 Same situation here.  There's a good-sized overpass nearby I rode a bunch of times last year.  Now I go out of town when I want hills.

 

2006-08-07 6:35 PM
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i just ran  ride that had 6300 feet of climbing in 62 miles.  This was sunday ride after. 

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=155675

2006-08-07 8:08 PM
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I am in the Seattle area. Can avoid the hills if you really want to. Here is a great list of some of our training hills in our area. http://www.bicycleclimbs.com/ClimbLists.aspx
Lots of fun.
2006-08-07 10:29 PM
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Hilly for me is repeats over an intracoastal drawbridge.  Elevation is precisely that of a pimple.

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