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2009-08-28 1:40 AM

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Subject: Do You Have To Be Obsessed To Be A Good AG'er?
If you are doing AG races are work full time, do you have to be completely obsessed with triathlon and everything about it to be competitive and be a good AG'er?

Same goes with IM and other long distance races.


2009-08-28 2:04 AM
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I'm NOT obsessed and I'm MOP AG.  I don't see how people with full time jobs, families (especially with younger kids) and other outside interests fit it all in.  When i tried to 'obsess' about it, my whole life suffered-job, family, relationships. 
I guess i'm not doing something right.
2009-08-28 5:05 AM
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If by good you mean fast, then I think you need the gift of genetics plus some training.  Lacking that genetic gift, I think you can train tons and improve yourself, but where you end up in the pack depends on what your body is ultimately capable of delivering.  The other trick as an AGer is staying healthy.  If you come at this sport as an AGer who is a good runner, then I think you are miles ahead of others, because chance are pretty good that you can become competitive on the bike and swim by training lots without hurting yourself.  If you are trying to gain much on the run, chances are that it's going to be a more difficult road to improvement because of the much higher risk of suffering injuries as you increase run volume.

2009-08-28 5:09 AM
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nope, just do the work.  with IM distance, its a bit tougher because that workload is usually longer longs.  thats not being obsessed, thats just getting the job done.  however there are plenty of gains to be had in understanding appropriate intensities of workouts and how to structure, consistency, recovery, diet.  a lot of time time training is the only consideration people look at, but its learning to do all of these things well, knowing your limits/body and working with what ya got.  'Obsessed' is a relative term too.  For those that choose endurance sports as a component of their lifestyle and choose to be competitive with it, 6-7 day weeks are the norm.  To much of the populous that seems like overkill, so is that obsessed or driven?  Define completely obsessed i guess too.  I train, eat healthy and browse this a bunch, but outside of that have other interests, a family and a job.  Not tri all the time, but its a part of my lifestyle for sure and influences decisions on a daily basis.

2009-08-28 5:35 AM
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No i don't think you have to be OBSESSED as in:

constantly reading everything you can, studying the latest reviews and opinions on gear, training, athletes etc. etc.

I think that a lot of good AG'ers just ARE obsessed maybe because they want to be better and want to find the latest gadget or training trick to avoid good ol' consistent hard work.

If you have a reasonable amount of information on training and have some gear that works for you then you can just go about your business (both work and Tri) without worrying about the plethora of information out there. You'll save all that time obsessing for life and use the rest of the time for training or racing

Good luck and let us know if you we can help you obsess (or not )

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2009-08-28 6:45 AM
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Like I would know anything about this....nevertheless, I will opine. 

I'd say it depends:

1.  on the race and how many people show up.

2.  on how genitically gifted one is. 

3.  on one's definition of 'obsessed'.  One man's obsession is another man's disciplined training and is another man's hobby.

~Mike



2009-08-28 7:05 AM
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Rogillio - 2009-08-28 7:45 AM

Like I would know anything about this....nevertheless, I will opine. 

I'd say it depends:

1.  on the race and how many people show up.

2.  on how genitically gifted one is. 

3.  on one's definition of 'obsessed'.  One man's obsession is another man's disciplined training and is another man's hobby.

~Mike



Sums it up nicely. Very few would have the genetic gifts to hit the podium without some disciplined, structured training. That may likely seem like obsession to the general population?
2009-08-28 7:16 AM
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Often these types of questions here will get responses based upon the 1% exception and not the general rule.

I'm in the M35-39 AG and just moved up from M30-34, so my comments are based upon that race experience. For MOST races other than some super-small local homespun deal, my AG front end of OLY races are generally in the neighborhood of 2:10:00 or under -- and probably under. For a half, the front end of my AG will be sub-5, with the winners usually well under 5 hrs.

(Here is where you'll get the comments like "BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE COURSE!!!" "BUT WHAT IS THE WEATHER LIKE...." or "BUT WHAT IF THE RACE IS ON A TUESDAY IN JULY WHEN THE WIND IS BLOWING IN A NORTHEAST DIRECTION?" ....but I digress)

These folks are fast. Most (not all, but most) train hard and train often. You will occasionally have some genetic freak who can run 35 minute 10k's without much volume, but that is the exception and not the rule. Most of the fast folks have chosen to focus a large chunk of their free time on training to be fast triathletes, and it shows at the races.

Don't know if that is "obsessed" or not. We triathletes can have a skewed perception about these types of terms compared to the general public. My extended family certainly thinks I am obsessed with it, but my triathlete friends don't.


ENP - 2009-08-28 2:40 AM

If you are doing AG races are work full time, do you have to be completely obsessed with triathlon and everything about it to be competitive and be a good AG'er?

Same goes with IM and other long distance races.
2009-08-28 7:18 AM
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Not if your 80.
2009-08-28 7:51 AM
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Define obsessed.

Most people define obsessed as training x hours, and x times per week. 

but I'll take a stab at this.

first off, your success, if defined by where you place in your AG, will constantly change from event, mainly location and size of the events.

I can place in my AG in a good amount of local races.

IMO, the difference between me and the person who does not, is not training time, but having workouts with a purpose and definition. It is crucial that these workouts have a "non-negotiable" status. I read that from Gordo. His training is "non-negotiable." Meaning, he wont alter his workout based on a group ride's pace, or getting passed in the pool, or the ego of a running buddy. your training must too be "non-negotiable."  You'll find trainnig alone is pretty much the only way to accomplish this.

Also, you must trust your workouts and their definitions and your plan. You cannot get a plan, and start saying, "I'm a really good biker, so I'm going to cut out x rides per week." That defeats the purpose of the plan.

Also, genetics have little to nothing to do with your ability to place or win your AG in a large percentage of races around the country. IM branded races, maybe. Kona, probably. The Olympics, most definitely. 

so PLEASE PLEASE do not limit your potential to win your AG at your YMCA triathlon due to your genetics. It is simply not true in the least bit. After a few years of non-negotiable workouts that have definition and purpose you can even win your AG at events that draw 300-500 people on a regional basis.

Take me, my only athletic background is football in high school, where although I had the size of a TE or LB, I played Center and nose guard because I was slow.  too slow for TE or LB in high school is so slow its not even funny.  Its like, "dude, maybe you should be consider golf" slow.  I loved playing baseball, but the fact that I throw like Paris Hilton precluded me from playing the sport past the 7th gade.

so, you do not have to be obsessed about hours trained, and how many miles you ran and biked and how many yards you swam.

you just need to obsess over the definition of your workouts, assign them a specific purpose and do not alter them for anyone, including yourself.

good luck and go get it!!



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2009-08-28 7:57 AM
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Anyone who is truly obsessed will not see it that way so good luck getting an "honest" answer out of them.  I have 4 young kids and a full time job...My new workout program is 6 days a week with 2 a days 3-4 times a week...am I obsessed?  I don't think so at all but my friends and extended family think I'm nuts!!!


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dewcubs - 2009-08-28 8:57 AM Anyone who is truly obsessed will not see it that way so good luck getting an "honest" answer out of them.  I have 4 young kids and a full time job...My new workout program is 6 days a week with 2 a days 3-4 times a week...am I obsessed?  I don't think so at all but my friends and extended family think I'm nuts!!!


this is true.

to be good at anything you will be looked at as obsessed by those around you.
2009-08-28 8:03 AM
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I actually found your first post (cusetri) to be quite inspirational... thanks

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I don't think obsessed is the right way to put it. You do have to adopt a certain lifestyle if you want to be FOP. That lifestyle is very different from most Americans, especially with regards to diet, TV, organization, etc. Dedicated might be a better word choice.
2009-08-28 8:14 AM
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I did see someones post a while back that said at the bottom...

'Obsessed is what the lazy people call the dedicated people.'

I like that one, I used it a couple of times in conversation...
2009-08-28 9:02 AM
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jspelay - 2009-08-28 8:14 AM I did see someones post a while back that said at the bottom...

'Obsessed is what the lazy people call the dedicated people.'

I like that one, I used it a couple of times in conversation...
I think its really more a question of focus.  We all have hobbies and interests that differ.  Its not so much being lazy as not sharing the same passion or desire to succeed and do what it takes to get there, and thats ok.  Conversely, if someone does have that passion, its not necessarily obsession.  To me that occurs when one is throwing all their other responsibilities under the bus to the point of detriment.  Cutting out tv or bars or whatever someone deems less important might seem like someone is obsessed, but it is reallocating priorities and folks should respect where people do that and at the same time, keep out of others biz so long as its not detrimental.  This is what I dont get.  Anywho, my two cents before the impending rants and classification, broad statements, etc, etc.



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ENP - 2009-08-28 1:40 AM

If you are doing AG races are work full time, do you have to be completely obsessed with triathlon and everything about it to be competitive and be a good AG'er?

Same goes with IM and other long distance races.


I want to know, what is your definition of "being obesessed"? Please define.

For you it could mean working out 20 hours a week, whereas for someone else it might mean training 10 hours a week.

Give us some descriptors please.

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Hey, what about us obsessed BOPers?!  Are you starting another class war between the FOP and BOP?! 

~Mike

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It depends on the distance. It's entirely possible to be decently competitive in sprints without too much effort. The longer the distance the more training is required to be competitive.
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Rogillio - 2009-08-28 7:05 AM

Hey, what about us obsessed BOPers?!  Are you starting another class war between the FOP and BOP?! 

~Mike



Nope. We just think you should be in your own race so you don't get in our way. :D :D :D

John


2009-08-28 11:46 AM
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You don't need to be obssesed, you just need to be able and willing to do the work. I have the genetics and I I am very consistant in putting in the day in and day out work to be competetive. You have to love the training. I love to train more than I enjoy racing and I think that is very important.
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cusetri - 2009-08-28 5:51 AM

Define obsessed.

Most people define obsessed as training x hours, and x times per week. 

but I'll take a stab at this.

first off, your success, if defined by where you place in your AG, will constantly change from event, mainly location and size of the events.

I can place in my AG in a good amount of local races.

IMO, the difference between me and the person who does not, is not training time, but having workouts with a purpose and definition. It is crucial that these workouts have a "non-negotiable" status. I read that from Gordo. His training is "non-negotiable." Meaning, he wont alter his workout based on a group ride's pace, or getting passed in the pool, or the ego of a running buddy. your training must too be "non-negotiable."  You'll find trainnig alone is pretty much the only way to accomplish this.

Also, you must trust your workouts and their definitions and your plan. You cannot get a plan, and start saying, "I'm a really good biker, so I'm going to cut out x rides per week." That defeats the purpose of the plan.

Also, genetics have little to nothing to do with your ability to place or win your AG in a large percentage of races around the country. IM branded races, maybe. Kona, probably. The Olympics, most definitely. 

so PLEASE PLEASE do not limit your potential to win your AG at your YMCA triathlon due to your genetics. It is simply not true in the least bit. After a few years of non-negotiable workouts that have definition and purpose you can even win your AG at events that draw 300-500 people on a regional basis.

Take me, my only athletic background is football in high school, where although I had the size of a TE or LB, I played Center and nose guard because I was slow.  too slow for TE or LB in high school is so slow its not even funny.  Its like, "dude, maybe you should be consider golf" slow.  I loved playing baseball, but the fact that I throw like Paris Hilton precluded me from playing the sport past the 7th gade.

so, you do not have to be obsessed about hours trained, and how many miles you ran and biked and how many yards you swam.

you just need to obsess over the definition of your workouts, assign them a specific purpose and do not alter them for anyone, including yourself.

good luck and go get it!!



Perfect response.

I've got several AG podium finishes at the sprint and Oly distances, including one win...and I also have a life.  What I do try to do is get the most out of my training time, while trying to keep it all fresh and interesting to avoid burnout as much as possible.  I've got no genetic advantages...was a mediocre or worse HS athlete...and don't take well to coaching.  But I like endurance sports and I like seeing improvement in my personal fitness over time and I like being personally responsible for that improvement.  From some people's perspective (including my wife's at times) that is a kind of obsession, but if it is, it's an obsession that has had a positive impact on my wellbeing (at least as far as I can tell).
2009-08-28 1:03 PM
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Obsessed is perhaps a negative spin on substantial commitment.
If you have a moderate amount of talent and a lot of commitment you can be a good AG'r.  
If you have a lot of talent and a moderate amount of commitment you can be a good AG'r (short course).
To be the best AG'r, from what I have seen in others, requires a lot of commitment to training + a lot of talent.

Hoping to be a good AG'r, having limited time, I have to make choices.  I choose not to participate in the neighborhood activities like fantasy football or the weekly "corn hole" tournaments so I can get in the family time, the work, and the workouts.  Perhaps a little obsessed.
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As far as running goes, I dont believe being obsessed has anything to do with it. I mean, I win my AG every once in while in half mary's and 5k and what not. But the thing is, I dont train hard at all. I was just fast in high school and it has carried over to my twenties. I have a couple of buddies who run double what i run and yet they can't hang with me reguardless. Genetics do play a big role in my eyes :/ .  wow that sounded bad

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