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2008-01-02 6:04 PM

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Subject: Do your really deserver your M-Dot?

I just got my Triathlete magazine today and there is a teaser on the cover "Do your really deserver your M-Dot?".  A petpeeve of mine is when I turn to the table of contents to find the teaser and cannot find it!  I've flipped through the entire magazine twice now and saw nothing about whether or not I deserve my M-Dot.  Somebody please tell me what article addresses this.

~Mike



2008-01-02 6:08 PM
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I didn't renew my subscription because that wasn't priority .... oops!

My guess is they are just expounding on all the letters to the editor that came after that one tool said that unless you qualified and did Kona you are not an Ironman.

2008-01-02 6:19 PM
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I'm beginning to think that Triathlete magazine is to the average triathlete what Muscle and Fitness is to the average guy who hits the gym.  A bit too over the top with commercialism and too much focus on the elites of the sport.  But that's just me...

 

 

2008-01-02 6:20 PM
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Daremo - 2008-01-02 6:08 PM

I didn't renew my subscription because that wasn't priority .... oops!

My guess is they are just expounding on all the letters to the editor that came after that one tool said that unless you qualified and did Kona you are not an Ironman.

 

Yeah, I thought the same thing...but that article about Vu does not even mention M-dot.  Is Triathlete magazine now equating M-dot with Ironman?  Isn't the 70.3 series also part of the M-Dot trademark?

~Mike

2008-01-02 6:30 PM
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Yeah it is, but if anyone has an M-Dot tatooed on themself, what is the first question someone else asks ......

"What Ironman did you do?"

It's all about the brand ..........

2008-01-02 6:37 PM
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Daremo - 2008-01-02 6:30 PM

Yeah it is, but if anyone has an M-Dot tatooed on themself, what is the first question someone else asks ......

"What Ironman did you do?"

It's all about the brand ..........

 

Well that's ok.  Years ago when I told someone I'd done the Rocketman Triathlon (a local sprint) people would often say "Oh yeah, I saw that on TV...I don't know how anyone can do that....isn't that in Hawaii?"  :-)

 ~Mike



2008-01-02 7:10 PM
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Rogillio - 2008-01-02 7:37 PM
Daremo - 2008-01-02 6:30 PM

Yeah it is, but if anyone has an M-Dot tatooed on themself, what is the first question someone else asks ......

"What Ironman did you do?"

It's all about the brand ..........

 

Well that's ok. Years ago when I told someone I'd done the Rocketman Triathlon (a local sprint) people would often say "Oh yeah, I saw that on TV...I don't know how anyone can do that....isn't that in Hawaii?" :-)

~Mike

LOL..similar story 

My kids soccer coach who has done triathlons back 15 years ago knew I was training for a HIM. He asked me frequently about my training and finally after my HIM he wanted to know how it went. He then asked if I qualified for Kona. I tried really hard to suppress my amusement as it was a dinky HIM, and I am so not ever going to qualify for Kona, but thought it was cool that he held my abilities in such high regards. I did tell him I placed 2nd not the part there were only 2 of us I skipped that.

Annoying magazine tricks...I do like that many magazines now have a special index section that guides you to everything listed on the cover. Seems this magazine needs to add that feature. 

 

2008-01-02 8:29 PM
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any ironman deserves an m-dot tat and I have my mine
2008-01-03 10:04 AM
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regarding the original letter in Triathlete Mag: ....with all the hype and traction that received I can't help but wonder if the letter was "staged" to sell more magazines.....

I searched the NA Sports results and couldn't find Vu (?).  I believe the letter suggested that writer did IMWC.  Anyone else do the same?

2008-01-03 10:24 AM
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magik611 - 2008-01-02 8:29 PM

Any ironman deserves an m-dot tat and I have mine

Agreed.
Will this topic ever get old?  I believe it will.....eventually.  I think that years from now 'talk' about triathlon will be so common place that the M-dot symbol will be synonymous with the sport irregardless of the distance.  M-dot clothing, M-dot tattoos, etc.

I'm starting to see more and more people with M-Dot tattoos who have gone the 70.3 distance.   Same goes for Indie 140.6 races.  If someone goes the distance, irregardless if it's Kona or Oklahoma City.....it's the distance that is the bragging point.   And soon, I believe, the M-dot will not represent any particular distance of triathlon.

2008-01-03 10:35 AM
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I just love the quote from PNF at her speech in Florida.

She was talking about how many of the businesses stay open longer through the season because of the race and "Besides, why would all the tatoo parlours want to close when there are over 1,100 first timers at the race!"

The whole place was crackin' up over that one .......

And so is the WTC and NA Sports when they get free advertising every time someone gets a trademark tatoo'ed on their skin.



2008-01-03 10:35 AM
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Big Sexy - 2008-01-02 6:19 PM

I'm beginning to think that Triathlete magazine is to the average triathlete what Muscle and Fitness is to the average guy who hits the gym.  A bit too over the top with commercialism and too much focus on the elites of the sport.  But that's just me...

 

 



I agree with this - but there is no "everyone's triathlete" magazine out there - so what is one to do?
2008-01-03 11:57 AM
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yeah it might be staged letter to generate interest or atleast that is why it got published. They select which letters to put into it.

IM is kinda like Chicago, Boston, or New York marathons. Alot of people think they are somehow are harder or longer race than other marathons like in des moines. I know I was guilty of this until I did my second marathon. At mile 17 I realised. Wow I really am doing a marathon here.

2008-01-03 12:42 PM
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Rogillio - 2008-01-02 7:04 PM

I just got my Triathlete magazine today and there is a teaser on the cover "Do your really deserver your M-Dot?".  A petpeeve of mine is when I turn to the table of contents to find the teaser and cannot find it!  I've flipped through the entire magazine twice now and saw nothing about whether or not I deserve my M-Dot.  Somebody please tell me what article addresses this.

~Mike



The article in question is on page 24 on the top left page. It isn't really an article but rather more of a rebuttal by the guy who wrote the original letter to Triathlete about deserving the M Dot.

I agree though that it all might have been a ploy to get people fired up.
2008-01-03 12:54 PM
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I always found the M-dot tattoo to be a little curious because it is a brand logo.  How many other logos are out there that someone would be willing to put on their body?  The only other one I can think of is perhaps a Harley Davidson biker dude getting the logo as a tat, and even that is probably a bit rare in comparison.

Anyway, if someone wants it on their body, it's their right.  Ironman or not (even though it might be a little weird, but whatever).  I read the original letter, and it's kind of funny to me that some guy is getting upset enough over the issue to declare others not worthy.  Especially since the current Kona venue is not the same as the original venue (not to mention the fact that the logo didn't even exist at the time of the first iron-distance race).

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2008-01-03 2:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Do your really deserver your M-Dot?
Not to hijack my own thread but.....on a related note to the M-dot tattoos....I wear an Ironman (M-dot) Timex watch and see a lot of people wearing this same watch whose weekly running is limited to beer-runs to the liquor store and haven't been on a bicycle since they were 12.  I often wonder if they have ever used the start/split button.  :-)
Anyway, I don't care if people call themselves ironmen or half-ironmen or tinmen and I don't care if they get a tattoo of M-Dot or a Nike swish.
~Mike
2008-01-03 3:16 PM
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But you care if they wear an IM watch?  

Rogillio - 2008-01-03 3:36 PM

 
Anyway, I don't care if people call themselves ironmen or half-ironmen or tinmen and I don't care if they get a tattoo of M-Dot or a Nike swish.
~Mike
2008-01-03 3:40 PM
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I could care less as well.

But ........ let me ask everyone this?  How often do you see a runner with a Nike swish or a Mizuno kangaroo thingy?  Or even better, the Boston Athletic Association unicorn (which is a really cool logo)??

Now, how often do you see a triathlete with an M-Dot logo?

Still a "brand," still a trademark, just people have bought into the coolness of getting the logo branded on themselves.

Have I thought about it?  Yes, but not as a solo M-Dot but as a cool design incorporated into "140.6" with the logo as a small accent to the design and not the focus.  I've personally only said that I would do something like that after I completed Hawaii, so no worries about that any time soon.

2008-01-03 3:58 PM
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>>"But ........ let me ask everyone this? How often do you see a runner with a Nike swish or a Mizuno kangaroo thingy? Or even better, the Boston Athletic Association unicorn (which is a really cool logo)??"

I haven't seen any Mizuno or BAA tattoos, but I've seen a lot of nike swoosh tattoos over the years. It's quite common to see people with nike tats at local road races.

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2008-01-03 4:37 PM
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Daremo - 2008-01-03 3:40 PM

I could care less as well.

Which, of course, means that you do care. I, on the other hand, could not care less.



2008-01-03 5:06 PM
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OK, mini-hijack, though it's still topic-related:

I'm not up on the M-dot debate...I thought the logo was only associated with the full IM distance (as in, if you've done the full dern thing, you are entitled to getting it tattoed on your tuckus), even though there's the 70.3 lite version (do HIM 70.3'ers get the tat, too?).

What I wasn't aware of was that if it wasn't one of the "official" IM M-dot logo'd events, even if you did the distance, you shouldn't get the tattoo? Don't you still tell people you did an IM (most people I talk to only think there's one IM, and that's the one in Hawaii...)?

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2008-01-03 5:18 PM
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People can do whatever they want to their own body and really shouldn't give a hoot what others think.

Asking 99% of the triathletes out there and they will tell you that if you did a 140.6 whether it was an M-Dot or an independent one that you have earned the title or Ironman.  It is that 1% of uptight elitist tri-pr1cks that keep this discussion even on the table.  And the interesting thing is that it seems a lot of those people haven't even completed an iron distance race yet.  Talk about ironic .......

The "70.3" monniker was just brought into play in '06 as a way for the WTC to cash in more on their brand and offer another world championship event for more people to participate in.  They started by rolling a lot of the bigger half iron races into the fold and then last and this year added a bunch of new venues with the brand.

For all "official" M-Dot events just go to www.ironmanlive.com



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2008-01-03 5:36 PM
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You are not only entitled to get an M Dot if you do any IM 70.3 races, you are required to and it has to look like this: (lol, really everyone should calm down, if it makes someone happy to cover their entire body with a giant IM tattoo even if they lay on the couch all day I say I'm all for it)



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2008-01-03 5:57 PM
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In  the January issue of Inside Triathlon, some letters to the Ed were about buying Ironman Logoed gear....

I've got a Timex Ironman watch (50 Lap).

 

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