Can someone explain Mike Hackabee to me?
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I understand I'm from Massachusetts and that's not really where he's going to be the most popular, but I am a republican from Massachusetts for what that's worth, and I really just don't get this at all. I don't really get how anyone looks at all the candidates and picks him. I honestly thought he was a joke when I first heard about him when I saw the Chuck Norris ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUQW8LUMs8 This is the guy that's winning Iowa, and is basically now the front runner for the nomination, at least until NH? Really? I'm willing to listen, and I understand he's a republican conservative (I'd put myself at moderate) and I don't think anyone really 100% agrees with any single candidate, but I'm really, really having problems with this one. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Nope. I just can't. No clue. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Nor I. But I'm a liberal from Northern California, so I'm about as far away from an Arkansas Baptist as you can get.
I did watch, finally, Jesus Camp last night. I think there's a growing segment of the population that wants someone closer in line with their religious beliefs ruling this country. I can't say I blame them. I'd like someone more in line with my religious/political/personal beliefs running this country too. If you don't like who's leading the pack in your party, then it's time to decide who you DO like, and get out there and work for him. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hahah that was hilarious! What a hoot! Looks to me like two evangelicals getting together and having a good time, making a political video that doesn't talk about red states & blue states and how everyone's going to get free health care, free college, a free puppy, and lower taxes all at the same time! Are you just struggling with this video in particular, or do you disagree with some of his political perspectives? If you disagree with the video, that's fine with me. If you disagree with his views and you're sitting here trying to bash the guy based on a silly commercial, then that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() madkat - 2008-01-03 9:51 PM If you don't like who's leading the pack in your party, then it's time to decide who you DO like, and get out there and work for him. Yeah! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I say we have a national election between Huckabee and Clinton - an Arkansas battle... It would be cool though, what other President invites a movie title of "I *heart* Huckabee"
Aside from his religious leaning and politics, you gotta respect the man for being an active runner, including completing a marathon. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() condorman - 2008-01-03 9:57 PM you gotta respect the man for being an active runner, including completing a marathon. I did not know that. Thanks for sharing! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bripod - 2008-01-03 10:51 PM Are you just struggling with this video in particular, or do you disagree with some of his political perspectives? If you disagree with the video, that's fine with me. If you disagree with his views and you're sitting here trying to bash the guy based on a silly commercial, then that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. I love the commercial. I watched it about 10 times before I realized it wasn't a joke. Or rather that he wasn't a fictional character. I chose that video because it's decidedly unpresidential. This one actually bothers me tho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BFEhkIujA While people are trying to explain things to me, can someone explain why Christians are so against evolution? Why can't it be embraced? Honestly, if they just went with god created life as a single cell knowing it would evolve into humans, wouldn't that actually be a stronger case? I've never understood all the science vs. religion stuff. Religion should be embracing science as proof of god's greatness, not fighting it. They just end up looking stupid later on. How's that sun circles the earth stance treating you? P.S., I'm an atheist, hence the small g. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() chriselam - 2008-01-03 10:14 PM I love the commercial. I watched it about 10 times before I realized it wasn't a joke. Or rather that he wasn't a fictional character. I chose that video because it's decidedly unpresidential. This one actually bothers me tho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BFEhkIujA While people are trying to explain things to me, can someone explain why Christians are so against evolution? Why can't it be embraced? Honestly, if they just went with god created life as a single cell knowing it would evolve into humans, wouldn't that actually be a stronger case? I've never understood all the science vs. religion stuff. Religion should be embracing science as proof of god's greatness, not fighting it. They just end up looking stupid later on. How's that sun circles the earth stance treating you? P.S., I'm an atheist, hence the small g. I guess I'll have to look up in the Great Book of Campaign Rules regarding political commercials to measure that particular one against what the Book says is "decidedly presidential". As it stands right now I don't have a basis of measurement for that. I don't think cheating on your wife is presidential either, but that's just my personal opinion and is therefore not objective in nature. Sounds like you have a lot of baggage regarding religion and that's the main reason you don't like Mr. Huckabee. Even to the juvenile point of changing the U in his name to an A to express your disdain. While I can appreciate your opposing view on creation and evolution, it sounds entirely intolerant that you want others to believe the same way you do. When it's all said and done we will all cast our vote [for some, that means not voting] and the winner will emerge. We will be inevitably subject to his/her leadership for the next 4 years. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bripod - 2008-01-03 11:27 PM I guess I'll have to look up in the Great Book of Campaign Rules regarding political commercials to measure that particular one against what the Book says is "decidedly presidential". As it stands right now I don't have a basis of measurement for that. I don't think cheating on your wife is presidential either, but that's just my personal opinion and is therefore not objective in nature. Sounds like you have a lot of baggage regarding religion and that's the main reason you don't like Mr. Huckabee. Even to the juvenile point of changing the U in his name to an A to express your disdain. While I can appreciate your opposing view on creation and evolution, it sounds entirely intolerant that you want others to believe the same way you do. When it's all said and done we will all cast our vote [for some, that means not voting] and the winner will emerge. We will be inevitably subject to his/her leadership for the next 4 years. Actually, the A was a typo, I didn't realize it until you pointed it out. I just spelled it wrong. As for cheating, I don't think that's presidential either, but then again I didn't vote for him the first time he ran, which was just after he was caught cheating, and the next time I believe he was already elected the second time, although I didn't vote for him the second time either. I agree with you that I do have a problem with some religions, Catholic church in particular. Unlike the Catholic church, and despite what you say, I do not feel that everyone has to have the same views as me, or that mine are necessarily right, or that I won't change my mind on something at some point in the future. To my original post, I wanted to know why he was getting so popular, so quickly because I couldn't, even as a republican, figure it out. Thank you though for explaining that a winner will emerge. I was unaware. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() chriselam - 2008-01-03 10:41 PM Thank you though for explaining that a winner will emerge. I was unaware. You're welcome ![]() |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I think part of his appeal is his "regular guy" appeal. He just seems like a real person. As my username suggests, I am from Idaho. North Idaho. Where republicans rule. I am pretty middle of the road though and not big into religion. Basically a fiscal conservative and social liberal. I cant really explain why I am starting to like the guy but if someone made me cast a vote right now it would probably go to Huck. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() idahodan - 2008-01-04 12:45 AM I think part of his appeal is his "regular guy" appeal. He just seems like a real person. Kinda like Jimmy Carter. At least Huck doesn't have a knucklehead brother (does he?).
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() max - 2008-01-03 9:48 PM idahodan - 2008-01-04 12:45 AM Kinda like Jimmy Carter. At least Huck doesn't have a knucklehead brother (does he?). I suppose. But theres a name I am sure he would not like to be thought of with his. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() He's got a likeable personality but far from conservative. I think he's very well spoken, unlike some of the others. I could care less about the Baptist side of him - not sure why everyone gets worked up over that side of him. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Knowing nothing of his religion of politics, I would like the guy just on his sense of humor. Whether he came up with the idea for the comercial or not...I think the Chuck Norris thing is funny...And I think anyone that is going to the white house, needs to have a sense of humor! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() While he did carry the social conservative vote in Iowa - which is a big part of the Republican Party here - I think that he got the win because of his "ordinary Joe" attitude. There is a lot of feeling here that all of these folks that came in and spent a lot of money to run were elitist (same can be said on the Democrat side) but I brought this up in November that Mitt Romney came off to a lot of people here as a rude person. There were many stories of times when he was out in a city, doing personal business, and people would say hello to him and he would barely acknowledge them. I pointed out at the time that I didn't think that would play well here. I kind of got jumped about it, but my point was missed. I wasn't saying that the guy couldn't have personal time, I was just saying that in Iowa, at least, you need to be aware of how people expect their nieghbors/friends/people they run into at the mall to act. If you don't act that way, you do not fit in. If you do not fit in, you do not get their vote. My point before and still is, if you are going to go into a battle - know what you are going to go up against or you are doomed to fail. Huckabee did, Romney didn't. I don't know that it gives you any advantage in the overall race, but it certainly gives you traction as the group goes forward. Giuliani, on the other hand, knew he did not fit in, spent very little time in Iowa, and is concentrating on places that he can get his message - no matter how twisted you may think that it is - across. Guiliani supporters please don't take umbrage to that statement, I am just making a point about his strategy .vs that of Romney - not condemning his politics. |
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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Here's my take: "Evangelical Christians" (whatever that means) are supporting Huckabee because he's not Mormon. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I would say Huck's Chuck commercial is as presidential as, say, playing the Sax on the Late Show with Jay Leno. x2 on Huck being an everyday kind of guy. He grew up a long way from a silver platter, he lost a bunch of weight, he's running a shoe-string campaign, he's not afraid to say what he believes even if it will offend you. I find that kind of integrity more appealing that someone who is constantly saying whatever it is they think will win them the most votes. And for many many many republicans, we like the fact that he is an ordained baptist pastor just as much as many many many others are terribly afriad of that fact. I don't like it because I think he will seek to impose his beliefs on the country through governmental action... I like it because I think it will govern the way he acts, personally, as he carries out the duties of president. Having the [not necessarily exclusive] debate over religion/evolution has taken place here before... and I think Huck's answer in the second video you posted is a good summary. He correctly identifies that we all have a presuppositional faith in something, whether that is that God did it, or that it was a meaningless accident. To your point, there actually are many Christians who think that God was the agent of Evolution... that he did it, but that the means he used was macro-evolution (though I am not one of them). For many others, including me... when we traced things back far enough we got either God or meaningless nothing, and chose God. Then we had to work forward from there, and we got to God has spoken. Then we got to the Genesis account to answer the "where did this all come from" question. Perhaps it is the topic for another thread, but I would argue that there is LOTS of compelling scientific evidence to support the young earth creationist worldview, and that there is no genuinely-unbiased scientific evidence that convincingly contradicts it. Anyway, other than concerns over what an overhaul of the tax system would do, I'm the type of guy that thinks Huckabee does have what it takes. You can yell at me if you'd like... I work in Washington DC, so I'm fairly used to having an unpopular view. Republicans will undoubtedly have an uphill battle through the entire election process, given the general distain for the current administration... but I must say that once again the dems seem to be trying their best to avoid putting up an overwhelmingly likeable candidate to oppose them. Just my $.02. Edited by JoshKaptur 2008-01-04 8:42 AM |
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![]() | ![]() This one actually bothers me tho: I don't know if I agree or disagree with his views, but I like it that a candidate can decidedly say what he believes without trying to ride the fence and appeal to all religions. I also like it that he doesn't claim to know how it all happened becuase he "wasn't there," and that he's not being elected to write 8th grade science curriculum. Yet he stands by his beliefs. Edited by lisac957 2008-01-04 8:48 AM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JoshKaptur - 2008-01-04 9:41 AM I would say Huck's Chuck commercial is as presidential as, say, playing the Sax on the Late Show with Jay Leno. x2 on Huck being an everyday kind of guy. He grew up a long way from a silver platter, he lost a bunch of weight, he's running a shoe-string campaign, he's not afraid to say what he believes even if it will offend you. I find that kind of integrity more appealing that someone who is constantly saying whatever it is they think will win them the most votes. And for many many many republicans, we like the fact that he is an ordained baptist pastor just as much as many many many others are terribly afriad of that fact. I don't like it because I think he will seek to impose his beliefs on the country through governmental action... I like it because I think it will govern the way he acts, personally, as he carries out the duties of president. Having the [not necessarily exclusive] debate over religion/evolution has taken place here before... and I think Huck's answer in the second video you posted is a good summary. He correctly identifies that we all have a presuppositional faith in something, whether that is that God did it, or that it was a meaningless accident. To your point, there actually are many Christians who think that God was the agent of Evolution... that he did it, but that the means he used was macro-evolution (though I am not one of them). For many others, including me... when we traced things back far enough we got either God or meaningless nothing, and chose God. Then we had to work forward from there, and we got to God has spoken. Then we got to the Genesis account to answer the "where did this all come from" question. Perhaps it is the topic for another thread, but I would argue that there is LOTS of compelling scientific evidence to support the young earth creationist worldview, and that there is no genuinely-unbiased scientific evidence that convincingly contradicts it. Anyway, other than concerns over what an overhaul of the tax system would do, I'm the type of guy that thinks Huckabee does have what it takes. You can yell at me if you'd like... I work in Washington DC, so I'm fairly used to having an unpopular view. Republicans will undoubtedly have an uphill battle through the entire election process, given the general distain for the current administration... but I must say that once again the dems seem to be trying their best to avoid putting up an overwhelmingly likeable candidate to oppose them. Just my $.02. nice post. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Funny article about Huckabee and his regular guy charm... (Take the article with a grain/pound/ton of salt, as I'm not looking to start a bar brawl or anything--it's just an amusing perspective. That's all). http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/17324246/matt_taibbi_on_... |
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Arch-Bishop of BT ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Being a liberal (although orthodox in a radical sort of way) Christian who has no problems with evolution... I will say this about Huckabee, I am intrigued by his downhome regular guy persona. His move to simplify the tax code is ultimately doomed to fail. However, as a pastor myself, I am stymied by his decision to embargo all of his sermons... if I were ever to run for office, any sermon that I preached would be fair game for people to understand what I believed and who I am. It's a matter of integrity. Clearly he is trying to hide something... either some perceived liberal leanings from the evangelical right, OR more conservative positions from a moderate undecided base... Peace, |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() He likes jesus. Other people like jesus too. He wants more people to like jesus. Other people want more people to like jesus too. Oh and you can vote for him. |
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![]() I don't know much about the dude either, but I honestly do not think the country needs someone who may be so religously charged. I'd have preferred Romney, honestly - blah blah, he's Mormon and Christians are against Mormons, but come on, we've already done the "let's bomb the Arabs in the name of Jesus" thing with Bush and look how that turned out...we don't need that again. I go to church and consider myself a Christian, though I am of a more liberal variety than the average Huckabee supporter is, I'm sure. Which worries me because if it comes down to a Conservative Christian or an African-American Democrat, Obama is totally screwed...which says a lot about the sad state of this country. PS- not all Christians discount evolution, and evolution and creation do not have to be mutually exclusive. At least I don't think so. Edited by wurkit_gurl 2008-01-04 10:03 AM |
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