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2005-02-08 2:22 PM

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So, I'm all about women being independent and feminism, and yada yada yada. But boys, when you see a girl struggling to carry a 200 lbs table up the stairs, do you offer to help? I know I probably could have managed it with the delivery man (who I had to bribe w/ a $20 tip to help me) but wouldn't it be polite to offer assistance? I would! I live in Texas! The land of southern gentleman and exceptional manners! And if a lady nicely asked for help, would you look at her like she had two heads and say something like, "you want me to help you move?!?". No! Just lend me a hand to move this thing 30 feet down the hall!
What in the world?


2005-02-08 2:40 PM
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Well, I can't answer yes or no until I know what you look like!

KIDDING!!!!  But it does seem that you have stumbled across something here.  Chivalry is not dead, but it does get some strange looks these days.  For example, I went to breakfast after our long run this weekend, and as we were going back to the car, I went over and opened the door for my female friend (as I always do), then closed it and just happened to look back in the diner where there was a group of ladies laughing.  Don't know if they thought it was funny or not, or if they were in shock to see soemthing like that, but their reaction did suprise me.

2005-02-08 2:51 PM
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Haha. Maybe if i dried my hair and made an effort instead of having it in a ponytail things would have been different. Should I go for the dangle earrings and low cut shirt?

You opening the door for your female friend gives me hope. Your mother would be proud.
Geez, I sound so old! I'm not even 25 yet!
But I do appreciate a gentleman.
2005-02-08 3:16 PM
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Warning this is a somewhat toung and cheek ansure.Chivlary was based to my knowledge on the knights of old and transfed on through the generations of nobility. Well this country lost its noblility 200 plus years ago. In its place was left the upperclass.Unfortunatly parents now work two jobs and schools only teach math and english, so manners aka Chivlary is being bread out of our socity.

No it is not dead but in the 50s when everyone remembers "June Cleaver" as what a wife should be treated like, they forget when nobody was watching "Ward" beat the crap out of her. Now with restring orders and the feeling of PC, men are threatened to do the noble thing.

Ok on a serrious note. If you were a man and needed that hand I would have offered it to you too. It is called being a good neighbor, co-worker, whatever. Just remember to practice random acts of kindness and you will be rewarded.

2005-02-08 3:30 PM
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Lane!! Are you sure that those ladies were laughing at the door-opening, and not something else?? Anytime you turn around and someone is laughing, you are supposed to check if something is sticking to your butt. At formal cocktail parties, women check that they didn't tuck their dress in their undies or panty hose.

Anyway!

Chivalry is NOT dead. I appreciate a chivalrous man. At work, I am often offered help with my bags by ground personell or other pilots (and male flight attendants!). I rarely take them up on the offer, but always say thank you. My husband is quite the chivalrous man - a major reason why I fell for him.  Never do I end up carrying groceries into the house alone (I do the shopping), he always opens doors for me, fills up fluids in my car when I don't think of it......makes sure I'm always comfortable.............OH WAIT. That's because I'm a spoiled little brat!

but he is like that with all women. Except vertical_listing....she reduces him to a shy little boy.

CHIVALRY IS NOT DEAD. Again though, when a woman EXPECTS a man to do things for her, it probably won't happen!

2005-02-08 4:10 PM
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Perhaps it is just my age and/or bad luck, but many women (in the 18-25 range) that I have met are still looking for a badass that treats them like dirt. So, in order to not seem so harmless and polite, sometimes I forego the niceties such as opening car doors, holding building doors, etc. Trust me, if we guys knew you women appreciated it we would do it without a second thought. I'm from North Carolina so I know all about being polite and saying "yes ma'am", but sometimes I find it necessary to be edgy and mysterious in order to get dates.

I'd love to hear some female opinions on this: what is the proper amount of chivalry so that we don't go overboard?


2005-02-08 4:20 PM
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Guvna......ROFLMAO. Your age is bad luck

There isn't such a thing as too much chivalry. Just a b!tch who can't appreciate a gentleman (your ho's in their 18-25 AG you mentioned)

Besides, women smell when chivalry isn't genuine. It's not forced and it's a natural state of being. It's MOJO.

2005-02-08 4:22 PM
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Cavu9 - 2005-02-08 11:40 AM

Well, I can't answer yes or no until I know what you look like!



Awesome! See Cavu, we agree on some things j/k j/k

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2005-02-08 4:32 PM
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Cavu9 and Govnr - keep it up. Chivalry is just like fitness - a lifestyle, not an event!
2005-02-08 4:38 PM
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Should I go for the dangle earrings and low cut shirt?

You bet your sweet p'toot I would then...babe!  OK, no really, and in response to ontherun's comment about parents not teaching kids, when I was just a pup, my ma used to walk up to doors and wait for me to open them for her.  At the time, I sometimes felt like I wanted to put her through the door rather than open it.  OK , so I was a moody little pre-pubescent punk.  But I still learned from it and I still open doors...for anyone.  I'm never so rude nor in such a hurry that I have to fly through the door in front of someone.  Besides, it's alot easier to hold open a door while stading outside, than it is to keep one pushed open from the inside.  And as far as keeping a, "mysterious edge," all I can say is, "Keep it real!!"  What's the point in trying to impress someone with being who you're not, only to have them find out the real you and kick you to the curb.  Find someone who appreciates chivalry, in all its glory, and things will be a lot easier.  It worked for me...four years ago today (to the holiday at least).  My wife and I met on Mardi Gras 2001, and she was so very impressed that I woke up at 3:00 in the morning to help her tie her shoes...as she was trying to sneak out the door (LONG story that will be saved for my memoirs).

I once heard a pretty funny anecdote that kinda sums up chivalry these days:  If you see a guy opening a car door for a girl, either the girl is new or the car is.



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2005-02-08 4:41 PM
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Tying another's shoes.
CHIVALRY AT IT'S BEST. 



2005-02-08 4:42 PM
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Funny we were just talking about this at lunch yesterday. A friend at work, who has an obvious case of pregnancy was telling how she was at a superbowl party and she ended up sitting on the floor despite her condition because no one would get up from the couch to offer her their seat. She wasn't complaining, just noting that even with being pregnant people don't go out of their way to open doors or anything...
2005-02-08 4:46 PM
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Im going with this looks thing. It has been documented the better you look the more people help you out. Male or female. That being said, I would have helped you out regardless of being chivalrous. As far as opening doors and all that what not. If you are driving, pump gas. If you are ahead of me, open the door. Groceries, I will carry them but you better be putting them away while I am going to get the next load. Oh, but if I just met you and am trying to get you in the sack well then forget what I just said, of course I am a perfect gentleman.

Okay, I am happily married so you can forget that get you in the sack comment, but 5 years ago.......lol
2005-02-08 4:46 PM
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tying shoes - excellent.

Other examples:

I knew I was in luv with my (now) husband when we were at his house in Suriname. They do not typically have hot running water, nor do they want it. However, knowing I liked it, Derreck would get up early and heat a large bucket water a tea kettle at a time for me to wash with when I woke up!



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2005-02-08 5:09 PM
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Chivalry is not dead.... I would help any women and I always open doors and carry things for my wife.... I know this is expected and is not extraordinary but it seems it is not as common as it should be.... of course I do not see women as weak or helpless.... my wife is quite capable of taking care of herself but it shows a level of respect that ladies deserve...
2005-02-08 5:26 PM
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Kupe du Monde - 2005-02-08 1:38 PM

when I was just a pup, my ma used to walk up to doors and wait for me to open them for her.  At the time, I sometimes felt like I wanted to put her through the door rather than open it. 



That's too funny I thought I was the only person that happened to, but it would be my mom and 2 sisters all standing there in front of the door and would think "what are they waiting for?" Then it would hit me.
This thread is too wierd. This morning I was at the elevator at work. The elevator closest to me opened. I held it opened for a lady as she walked across the hallway. She never even looked up at me, never even said good morning or thanks or anything. I was thinking "what's wrong with people these days, no wonder guys don't hold doors opened anymore, it goes unnoticed". But when I got to my office I opened the door for a coworker and she thanked me, so I guess it depends on the person


2005-02-08 6:42 PM
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Hey y'all maybe I'm missing something.  It isn't about chivlary but being a good global citizen.  If I see a person (male or female) that needs a hand I pitch in.  In this day and age of political correctness I think lending a hand regardless of gender is the right thing to do.
2005-02-08 6:45 PM
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Guvna2030,
I'm 24. And if a guy lets me pass in front of him on the way inside a building (and smiles while doing it), I DEFINITLY notice. Major points. As do all of my friends. I respect guys I'm with, and like it in return. But these days, when its so rare, manners are appreciated more than you know. So keep up the good work my friend.

About 7 years ago when I was in high school, my mom, sister, her friend Eric, and I were going to the movies. We had to get gas, and when Mom pulled up to the tank, Eric jumped out to pump the gas for my MOM! We were so amazed! I have never forgotten that. And thats when we were in the "high school badass" phase.
2005-02-08 6:49 PM
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I though i was doin' it right, living in Texas, but I just might head over to North Carolina. Ah well, as long as i stay below the Mason Dixon line, things should be fine! J/K!
2005-02-09 9:38 AM
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Christie, you should come to NC. At least you know that doors will be held for you, groceries will be taken to your car and the sweet tea, barbecue, and good times will be a'plenty. Of course, if you come to my town you'd have a bunch of teethless men on their front porch staring at you because young women are scarce 'round these parts. They'd be really friendly though.
2005-02-09 9:58 AM
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Well Christie, if you think chivalry is dead in America, I'm warning you....DON'T COME TO JAPAN!!!!

Japanese men are arguably the most unchivalrous on the planet!!  Almost every day I'm amazed at how they treat women.  Oh the stories I have.  Once, a friend and I were sitting in a restaurant.  There was a young couple next to us.  The girl was obviously upset and trying to conseal her crying, but she couldn't hide it.  Now most of you would assume that the "boyfriend" would be trying to make her feel better at this point, but no.  What's he doing??  He's chatting away to someone on his cell phone!!  Probably another girl!?  Unbelievable.



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2005-02-09 10:21 AM
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If you look at feminism in terms of equality instead of female power, you see that chivalry isn't dead, but now it goes both ways. If I get to the door first, I'll hold it open for a man or another woman. If you are driving it is polite to at least unlock the passengers door first so they (especially in the winter) aren't freezing waiting for you to walk around the car get in and unlock it.

Has anyone ever heard of the test men give women, that if they unlock they open the car door for her and she doesn't unlock their door she's not worth the next date. I think I has more to do with being thoughtful of other people.

I would have helped you move the 200lb. table because I would hope that you would do the same thing for me if I was struggling. I love it when people show me little acts of kindness. Sometimes its enough to change a bad day to good. Its not just about chivalry, its about showing people we aren't so self involved.

I don't expect the door to be held open for me, but I notice and appreciate it when it is.
2005-02-09 10:31 AM
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"A friend at work, who has an obvious case of pregnancy was telling how she was at a superbowl party and she ended up sitting on the floor despite her condition because no one would get up from the couch to offer her their seat."

Crap!  What kind of people attended this party?  Was this a party given by some weird  tribe raised by wild dogs?????  

2005-02-09 10:55 AM
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Guvna,
Sweet tea you say? I'm on the next flight!

Kanoelani,
I'm with you friend. I'll call you later to bug you at work.
2005-02-09 11:27 AM
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Okay, here is the deal ultimately. Chivalry was part of a status thing. Women were catered to in part because well. They were women. They weren't in positions of authority for the most part. They were looked upon as caretakers and as a weaker sex. Men, then would show them extra courtesies in part to show respect for the caretaker, but in part to say hey, look I am taking care of the weaker less capable sex. Nowadays, you have women leading men in almost every direction you look. You have women fighting to be recognized as athletes, corporate execs, intellects, world leaders, etc. It is not going to be both ways. As more women act in the traditional sense that men used to solely act in, then "chivalry" will go down. Now if you still lean to traditional values then you will be appalled at the lack of courtesy at times. If you however are not dreaming of the past when inequality ruled supreme then you will still expect to be treated as an unequal. Plain and simple being a gentleman was a great way to make sure men were men and women were women. Now in saying that, there is no excuse for not being a couteous person to all. If you get to a door before someone, hold it open! If you see anyone struggling with something, help them! If you see an old lady or man on a bus, give them your seat! If you see a pregnant woman, be a person and give her a break. It is not about being a gentleman to women anymore. It is about it being a two-way street because we are equals both capable of opening doors, pumping gas, etc. I would go to say that most, not all, of men that always open car doors, etc. for their significants are in a relatively new relationship still or have wives that tend to be more traditional in values. Such as a stay at home mom.

edited to add: or as stated above, trying to get you in the sack.

Just my opinion.

Edited by gypsykorea 2005-02-09 11:30 AM
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