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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() W. has always said that the telephone eavesdropping done by the NSA was only used for terrorists or their associates. Yet, new charges by former NSA employees counter that, saying just about anyone could have been listened to at any time. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5987804&page=1 Here's the interesting part: Murfee Faulk, one of those former employees, is a friend who used to work at the paper I wrote for.
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Did anyone honestly believe him though? Would anyone believe anything remotely important that he had to say anymore? |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() run4yrlif - 2008-10-10 7:16 PM W. has always said that the telephone eavesdropping done by the NSA was only used for terrorists or their associates. Yet, new charges by former NSA employees counter that, saying just about anyone could have been listened to at any time. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5987804&page=1 Here's the interesting part: Murfee Faulk, one of those former employees, is a friend who used to work at the paper I wrote for.
Old news.. this was being done before 9/11 and the current President. |
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![]() | ![]() kmill23 - 2008-10-12 12:28 PM PennState - 2008-10-12 2:19 PM run4yrlif - 2008-10-10 8:16 PM W. has always said that the telephone eavesdropping done by the NSA was only used for terrorists or their associates. Yet, new charges by former NSA employees counter that, saying just about anyone could have been listened to at any time. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5987804&page=1 Here's the interesting part: Murfee Faulk, one of those former employees, is a friend who used to work at the paper I wrote for.
By calling the president 'W', I assume that you will be OK with colloquial names for your guy when he gets in too? What should Barack's opponents call him? I don't like the current president, but I do respect the office and will call him president... my guess is you will be upset when Obama gets in and he is referred to in the same manner? No of course not, I must be wrong... What shall we call President Obama? Hmm . . . I'll probably call him President Obama, but man it's gonna hurt, lol. But seriously, good point! President of the U.S. is definitely deserving of more respect than President Bush has been shown. People are crazy if they really think the things they say about him. I am highly skeptical of many of the claims against him. I'm not a blind follower, but I refuse to think that he is that bad a person. But . . who knows? Still, "W" is not a way to refer to the President of our great country. President McCain or President Obama . . . either way they'll be the President. I could be mistaken here, but wasn't the "W" brand/nickname started by Bush's supporters? And FWIW I do think it's possible to have respect for the office of President while nonetheless not having much respect for the person who holds it, or what that person has done while in office. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Yeah, I'm pretty sure that "W" and "Dubya" came from within the Bush camp. Now, when the Clinton administration left the white house and had removed the W key from all the computer keyboards, that was just funny stuff. Edited by DrPete 2008-10-12 3:34 PM |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PennState - 2008-10-12 12:19 PM By calling the president 'W', I assume that you will be OK with colloquial names for your guy when he gets in too? What should Barack's opponents call him? I know, let's call him "H"
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() froglegs - 2008-10-12 3:37 PM PennState - 2008-10-12 12:19 PM By calling the president 'W', I assume that you will be OK with colloquial names for your guy when he gets in too? What should Barack's opponents call him? I know, let's call him "H"
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![]() | ![]() PennState - 2008-10-12 1:49 PM puellasolis - 2008-10-12 4:31 PM kmill23 - 2008-10-12 12:28 PM I could be mistaken here, but wasn't the "W" brand/nickname started by Bush's supporters? And FWIW I do think it's possible to have respect for the office of President while nonetheless not having much respect for the person who holds it, or what that person has done while in office. PennState - 2008-10-12 2:19 PM run4yrlif - 2008-10-10 8:16 PM W. has always said that the telephone eavesdropping done by the NSA was only used for terrorists or their associates. Yet, new charges by former NSA employees counter that, saying just about anyone could have been listened to at any time. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5987804&page=1 Here's the interesting part: Murfee Faulk, one of those former employees, is a friend who used to work at the paper I wrote for.
By calling the president 'W', I assume that you will be OK with colloquial names for your guy when he gets in too? What should Barack's opponents call him? I don't like the current president, but I do respect the office and will call him president... my guess is you will be upset when Obama gets in and he is referred to in the same manner? No of course not, I must be wrong... What shall we call President Obama? Hmm . . . I'll probably call him President Obama, but man it's gonna hurt, lol. But seriously, good point! President of the U.S. is definitely deserving of more respect than President Bush has been shown. People are crazy if they really think the things they say about him. I am highly skeptical of many of the claims against him. I'm not a blind follower, but I refuse to think that he is that bad a person. But . . who knows? Still, "W" is not a way to refer to the President of our great country. President McCain or President Obama . . . either way they'll be the President. This is the sad part that the Bush haters don't really understand... their guy will be treated with equal (and likely greater) dis-respect, as they have shown a complete an utter lack of respect for the current one. Yes, I can understand why someone would dis-like the current president.... but the heart of this issue is that the conservatives who still support Bush will remember this and pay this back in spades to Mr. Obama. When we treat the leader of a party (ie; the president) with total dis-respect, it makes it hard to have meaningful bi-partisan dialogue. This clearly goes both ways, and I am not singling out one side as guiltier than the other. I was appalled at the dis-respect shown President Clinton as well! Would that we could all just be adults about it, regardless of past sins (real or perceived) committed against "our side." |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PennState - 2008-10-12 4:49 PM [ This is the sad part that the Bush haters don't really understand... their guy will be treated with equal (and likely greater) dis-respect, as they have shown a complete an utter lack of respect for the current one. Yes, I can understand why someone would dis-like the current president.... but the heart of this issue is that the conservatives who still support Bush will remember this and pay this back in spades to Mr. Obama. When we treat the leader of a party (ie; the president) with total dis-respect, it makes it hard to have meaningful bi-partisan dialogue. This clearly goes both ways, and I am not singling out one side as guiltier than the other. I was appalled at the dis-respect shown President Clinton as well! Bravo |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PennState - 2008-10-12 3:49 PM puellasolis - 2008-10-12 4:31 PM kmill23 - 2008-10-12 12:28 PM I could be mistaken here, but wasn't the "W" brand/nickname started by Bush's supporters? And FWIW I do think it's possible to have respect for the office of President while nonetheless not having much respect for the person who holds it, or what that person has done while in office. PennState - 2008-10-12 2:19 PM run4yrlif - 2008-10-10 8:16 PM W. has always said that the telephone eavesdropping done by the NSA was only used for terrorists or their associates. Yet, new charges by former NSA employees counter that, saying just about anyone could have been listened to at any time. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5987804&page=1 Here's the interesting part: Murfee Faulk, one of those former employees, is a friend who used to work at the paper I wrote for.
By calling the president 'W', I assume that you will be OK with colloquial names for your guy when he gets in too? What should Barack's opponents call him? I don't like the current president, but I do respect the office and will call him president... my guess is you will be upset when Obama gets in and he is referred to in the same manner? No of course not, I must be wrong... What shall we call President Obama? Hmm . . . I'll probably call him President Obama, but man it's gonna hurt, lol. But seriously, good point! President of the U.S. is definitely deserving of more respect than President Bush has been shown. People are crazy if they really think the things they say about him. I am highly skeptical of many of the claims against him. I'm not a blind follower, but I refuse to think that he is that bad a person. But . . who knows? Still, "W" is not a way to refer to the President of our great country. President McCain or President Obama . . . either way they'll be the President. This is the sad part that the Bush haters don't really understand... their guy will be treated with equal (and likely greater) dis-respect, as they have shown a complete an utter lack of respect for the current one. Yes, I can understand why someone would dis-like the current president.... but the heart of this issue is that the conservatives who still support Bush will remember this and pay this back in spades to Mr. Obama. When we treat the leader of a party (ie; the president) with total dis-respect, it makes it hard to have meaningful bi-partisan dialogue. This clearly goes both ways, and I am not singling out one side as guiltier than the other. I was appalled at the dis-respect shown President Clinton as well!
To me no one is in any position that demands respect regardless of their actions. If you make disrespectful actions then why should you get respect? |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It is not so much about respect as it is civility. I do not respect Obama for many reasons, but I refuse to post pictures that are tasteless and crude since it does nothing to raise the issues and it is disrespectful to the "office" of the presidency (which he might occupy) Same goes for President Bush, many things about him have been a disappointment, but if I can't express them in civil terms than I think it is the same thing as adding profanity to a discourse, no added value. Some of the pics/posts I have seen of Sarah Palin sink to the same level of crudeness. When I look beyond the candidate, the underlying message is extremely disturbing and speaks of disrespect to working mothers, women who hunt (when did that become so bad?) etc. The really sad thing is the almost hatred for someone that is seen from some of the posts/pictures. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PennState - 2008-10-12 4:18 PM I re-read my post... I din't mean it to be so aggressive. I think I was wondering what people who oppose Senataor Obama (soon to be pres.) will refer to him as. Current one is called W, dubya, George, etc.... yes I know that his friends call him W., but most references to him as the aforementioned are not by his friends. It is something for the Bush-haters to consider.... ie; that their guy (Obama) will soon be in power, and an equal or greater amount of dis-respect will be shown. Treat others how you wish to be treated? I ask to stimulate dialogue, and not to offend, and I apologize for the original response... it didn't convey well what I was asking I vote for The Big O .. if we get prez. Obama |
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Giver![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PennState - 2008-10-12 4:49 PM puellasolis - 2008-10-12 4:31 PM kmill23 - 2008-10-12 12:28 PM I could be mistaken here, but wasn't the "W" brand/nickname started by Bush's supporters? And FWIW I do think it's possible to have respect for the office of President while nonetheless not having much respect for the person who holds it, or what that person has done while in office. PennState - 2008-10-12 2:19 PM run4yrlif - 2008-10-10 8:16 PM W. has always said that the telephone eavesdropping done by the NSA was only used for terrorists or their associates. Yet, new charges by former NSA employees counter that, saying just about anyone could have been listened to at any time. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5987804&page=1 Here's the interesting part: Murfee Faulk, one of those former employees, is a friend who used to work at the paper I wrote for.
By calling the president 'W', I assume that you will be OK with colloquial names for your guy when he gets in too? What should Barack's opponents call him? I don't like the current president, but I do respect the office and will call him president... my guess is you will be upset when Obama gets in and he is referred to in the same manner? No of course not, I must be wrong... What shall we call President Obama? Hmm . . . I'll probably call him President Obama, but man it's gonna hurt, lol. But seriously, good point! President of the U.S. is definitely deserving of more respect than President Bush has been shown. People are crazy if they really think the things they say about him. I am highly skeptical of many of the claims against him. I'm not a blind follower, but I refuse to think that he is that bad a person. But . . who knows? Still, "W" is not a way to refer to the President of our great country. President McCain or President Obama . . . either way they'll be the President. This is the sad part that the Bush haters don't really understand... their guy will be treated with equal (and likely greater) dis-respect, as they have shown a complete an utter lack of respect for the current one. Yes, I can understand why someone would dis-like the current president.... but the heart of this issue is that the conservatives who still support Bush will remember this and pay this back in spades to Mr. Obama. When we treat the leader of a party (ie; the president) with total dis-respect, it makes it hard to have meaningful bi-partisan dialogue. This clearly goes both ways, and I am not singling out one side as guiltier than the other. I was appalled at the dis-respect shown President Clinton as well! You guys have seen the "W" stickers, right? I'm pretty sure the republicans with them on their cars don't mean it as disrespect. |
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![]() PennState - 2008-10-12 4:43 PM Jim, it's not really meant to single you out, but I don't think you were referring to the president as a 'supporter'... were you? Free country, and you are (all) free to say whatever you like about the president... whatever makes you happy. BUT, the opponents of the President who show a lack of civility to him, should quite comfortable when their guy gets treated in an equally un-civil way... am I wrong? Yes, you are wrong, because any maltreatment of Senator Obama often results in accusations of less than desirable traist (i.e., racism). As in the "if he doesn't get elected it's because he's black" crowd Hey, if you can post in CoJ now, I can too |
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Giver![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PennState - 2008-10-12 7:43 PM Jim, it's not really meant to single you out, but I don't think you were referring to the president as a 'supporter'... were you? Free country, and you are (all) free to say whatever you like about the president... whatever makes you happy. BUT, the opponents of the President who show a lack of civility to him, should quite comfortable when their guy gets treated in an equally un-civil way... am I wrong? I know you weren't singleing me out, but I don't get why it's cool for supporters to call him "W", but disrespectful for me to do it. And especially since I wasn't meaning it disrespectfully; just using the colloquialism associated with him. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Holy crap you guys worry about wierd stuff. Each Prime Minister as far back as I can remember has had a nickname. never a complimentary one. Probably due to again to Aussie humour being all about taking the p#$$ out of yourself and everyone else. Current Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is quite regularly referred to as Krudd. Former PM John Howard was always little Johnny, etc. cartoons in mainstream newspapers always refer to them as such. what I don't understand from people making a point about W. is why its ok for supporters to call him that but not ok for everyone else? |
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![]() | ![]() splerph - 2008-10-13 12:31 AM Holy crap you guys worry about wierd stuff. Each Prime Minister as far back as I can remember has had a nickname. never a complimentary one. Probably due to again to Aussie humour being all about taking the p#$$ out of yourself and everyone else. Current Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is quite regularly referred to as Krudd. Former PM John Howard was always little Johnny, etc. cartoons in mainstream newspapers always refer to them as such. what I don't understand from people making a point about W. is why its ok for supporters to call him that but not ok for everyone else? They're upset because in another thread someone referred to Obama as "Barrack Hussein Obama" and then went on to admit he only did so to get a rise from his supporters. |
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![]() | ![]() Unfortunately the disrespect starts during the presidential campaigns when instead of debating ideas/plans the candidates run nothing but personal attacks on each other. If candidates would work on making platforms for people to support them, instead of platforms to make them hate the other candidate, I think you would see less disrespect. But the candidates know it's easier to make people hate someone else for catchy slogans and soundbites than it is to get voters to a point where they are actually making informed decisions.
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