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2009-03-28 1:27 PM

Subject: Study: Triathlons can pose deadly heart risks

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jac9_Ky-Kczqn-CYl...

I can see where it's dangerous where someone who's not normally active jumps into any strenuous activity.

But the cases where the apparently healthy and active person goes kaput are scary.


2009-03-28 1:32 PM
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I did a 10k today that has a "killer" hill at the end. I was chatting with someone out on the course about how last year an older guy collapsed at the top of the hill.

This year, a younger guy collapsed at the top.

I have no way of knowing whether these guys had been training, understood about pacing and RPE, or had just decided to do the race last week after years of sitting on the couch.

 

If I go kaput in a race, at least I'll go doing something that I (usually) really enjoy.

2009-03-28 2:48 PM
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The sad thing is, some person will eat garbage, move like a slug for 95% of their life...then after a little training and participating in a race, it's the triathlon that killed them. I love that logic.

If anything, it's a good reminder for everybody to get seen by a good doctor who can catch some of these cardiac issues before they make you go kaput anywhere.
2009-03-28 3:06 PM
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onefitgeek - 2009-03-28 2:27 PM 

 But the cases where the apparently healthy and active person goes kaput are scary.

Key word here.

2009-03-28 3:10 PM
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ChineseDemocracy - 2009-03-28 2:48 PM If anything, it's a good reminder for everybody to get seen by a good doctor who can catch some of these cardiac issues before they make you go kaput anywhere.

I hate to be a downer here, but the majority of pre-existing conditions wouldn't be caught by any sort of routine medical screening.  It's not about being a "good" or "bad" doctor.  You just don't go around screening people with fairly invasive and/or expensive tests for routine activity.

2009-03-28 3:25 PM
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Let's just put it this way -

ANY PHYSICAL ACTIVITY BEYOND A CERTAIN HR LEVEL IS A POSSIBLE RISK!!  PERIOD.

ESPECIALLY TO THOSE WITH HEART RISKS ALREADY, AND, TO THOSE THAT HAVEN'T HAD A PHYSICAL TO CATCH POSSIBLE, EXISTING HEART PROBLEMS!

FUCHING DUHHHHH!!!!

So, go ahead and blame it on the sport.  Dumbazzes.



2009-03-28 3:30 PM
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The only way I'm going to have a heart attack during the swim leg is if I miss my wave start again at next week's HIM waiting in line for the porta potty.
2009-03-28 3:32 PM
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I heard that eating fried food everyday poses the same types of risk





2009-03-28 3:40 PM
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As long as the number of "people who die doing triathlons" is less than the number of "people who die while not doing triathlons" I'll keep on doing them.

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2009-03-28 4:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Study: Triathlons can pose deadly heart risks

For the study, researchers used records on 922,810 triathletes competing in 2,846 USA Triathlon-sanctioned events between January 2006 and September 2008.

Of the 14 deaths identified, 13 occurred during swimming; the other was a bike crash.

A search of the Minneapolis registry and the Internet found four other triathlon-related deaths from 2006 through 2008 beyond those that occurred in the officially sanctioned events.

18 deaths out of about 922,810 race entries. So your chances of dying during a triathlon in the U.S. are in the neighborhood of 0.0000195%.

OMG!!! EVERYBODY PANIC!! SELL YOUR BIKE!! DIG A HOLE IN THE BACKYARD AND BURN YOUR WETSUIT IN IT!! THROW AWAY YOUR WATER BOTTLES!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

Then again your chances of fatally slipping in the shower or bath are 0.00448% so obviously you should have your feet checked by a podiatrist before bathing to make sure that your feet aren't unusually smooth...or something.

Dear Writer and Editor of this article: the High School you is ashamed of what your career has turned into. 

2009-03-28 5:38 PM
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Subject: RE: Study: Triathlons can pose deadly heart risks
DerekL - 2009-03-28 4:10 PM

ChineseDemocracy - 2009-03-28 2:48 PM If anything, it's a good reminder for everybody to get seen by a good doctor who can catch some of these cardiac issues before they make you go kaput anywhere.

I hate to be a downer here, but the majority of pre-existing conditions wouldn't be caught by any sort of routine medical screening.  It's not about being a "good" or "bad" doctor.  You just don't go around screening people with fairly invasive and/or expensive tests for routine activity.



True, but I don't believe I advocated invasive or expensive tests. A routine physical should be able to rule some problems out though, and it can't hurt to have a little peace of mind...especially when pursuing triathlon goals.



2009-03-28 5:51 PM
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marmadaddy - 2009-03-28 5:54 PM

For the study, researchers used records on 922,810 triathletes competing in 2,846 USA Triathlon-sanctioned events between January 2006 and September 2008.

Of the 14 deaths identified, 13 occurred during swimming; the other was a bike crash.

A search of the Minneapolis registry and the Internet found four other triathlon-related deaths from 2006 through 2008 beyond those that occurred in the officially sanctioned events.

18 deaths out of about 922,810 race entries. So your chances of dying during a triathlon in the U.S. are in the neighborhood of 0.0000195%.

OMG!!! EVERYBODY PANIC!! SELL YOUR BIKE!! DIG A HOLE IN THE BACKYARD AND BURN YOUR WETSUIT IN IT!! THROW AWAY YOUR WATER BOTTLES!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

Then again your chances of fatally slipping in the shower or bath are 0.00448% so obviously you should have your feet checked by a podiatrist before bathing to make sure that your feet aren't unusually smooth...or something.

Dear Writer and Editor of this article: the High School you is ashamed of what your career has turned into.

pfft.... you can make statistics say anything....  

2009-03-28 6:06 PM
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ChineseDemocracy - 2009-03-28 5:38 PM
DerekL - 2009-03-28 4:10 PM

ChineseDemocracy - 2009-03-28 2:48 PM If anything, it's a good reminder for everybody to get seen by a good doctor who can catch some of these cardiac issues before they make you go kaput anywhere.

I hate to be a downer here, but the majority of pre-existing conditions wouldn't be caught by any sort of routine medical screening.  It's not about being a "good" or "bad" doctor.  You just don't go around screening people with fairly invasive and/or expensive tests for routine activity.

True, but I don't believe I advocated invasive or expensive tests. A routine physical should be able to rule some problems out though, and it can't hurt to have a little peace of mind...especially when pursuing triathlon goals.

I didn't say you advocated anything.  I'm telling you that you'd have to go through that extensive a screening process to be able to pick up the type of heart issues we're talking about. There's little that a routine exam would pick up.  Peace of mind is great, but it's not gonna solve the issue.

2009-03-28 6:30 PM
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marmadaddy - 2009-03-28 3:54 PM

For the study, researchers used records on 922,810 triathletes competing in 2,846 USA Triathlon-sanctioned events between January 2006 and September 2008.

Of the 14 deaths identified, 13 occurred during swimming; the other was a bike crash.

A search of the Minneapolis registry and the Internet found four other triathlon-related deaths from 2006 through 2008 beyond those that occurred in the officially sanctioned events.

18 deaths out of about 922,810 race entries. So your chances of dying during a triathlon in the U.S. are in the neighborhood of 0.0000195%.

OMG!!! EVERYBODY PANIC!! SELL YOUR BIKE!! DIG A HOLE IN THE BACKYARD AND BURN YOUR WETSUIT IN IT!! THROW AWAY YOUR WATER BOTTLES!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

Then again your chances of fatally slipping in the shower or bath are 0.00448% so obviously you should have your feet checked by a podiatrist before bathing to make sure that your feet aren't unusually smooth...or something.

Dear Writer and Editor of this article: the High School you is ashamed of what your career has turned into. 

 

Better yet give me your stuff and I'll dispose of it for you

2009-03-28 6:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Study: Triathlons can pose deadly heart risks
DerekL - 2009-03-28 7:06 PM
ChineseDemocracy - 2009-03-28 5:38 PM
DerekL - 2009-03-28 4:10 PM

ChineseDemocracy - 2009-03-28 2:48 PM If anything, it's a good reminder for everybody to get seen by a good doctor who can catch some of these cardiac issues before they make you go kaput anywhere.

I hate to be a downer here, but the majority of pre-existing conditions wouldn't be caught by any sort of routine medical screening.  It's not about being a "good" or "bad" doctor.  You just don't go around screening people with fairly invasive and/or expensive tests for routine activity.

True, but I don't believe I advocated invasive or expensive tests. A routine physical should be able to rule some problems out though, and it can't hurt to have a little peace of mind...especially when pursuing triathlon goals.

I didn't say you advocated anything.  I'm telling you that you'd have to go through that extensive a screening process to be able to pick up the type of heart issues we're talking about. There's little that a routine exam would pick up.  Peace of mind is great, but it's not gonna solve the issue.

IMHO, you gotta be in one of the three camps.

1) You're afraid, worried about the genetic or life consequences of tri, to the point you'll take preventitive measures. Good. Go to the Cleveland Clinic, get your DNA worked up, do your thing. The more you wanting to take care of you, that you can afford (mainstream insurance won't cover this kinda workup), the better. You go.

2) You don't care. Let 'er rip. Seems not like you.

3) You care, but at a price. You want the benefit of socially/athletically completing a tri, perhaps a really tough one that will stress you and give you big kudos among your peers and relatives, but you're a little worried. Get your level of confidence worked up by a dr. visit, maybe ekg done, but won't know completely. But you're willing to risk it.

Bottom line. No different than any other endeavor in life - climbing everest, backcountry skiing, walking across a sidewalk in manhattan, driving your car to work everyday....90%+ of folks will be ok with any medically accepted workup (blood pressure, risk factors, etc).  10%- will push it and may be at risk. That's where judgment comes in, mensas. C'mon.

2009-03-28 6:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Study: Triathlons can pose deadly heart risks
the bear - 2009-03-28 3:40 PM

As long as the number of "people who die doing triathlons" is less than the number of "people who die while not doing triathlons" I'll keep on doing them.

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2009-03-28 6:56 PM
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Just saw this being splashed all over national TV news. WTF?!?! Also replied to it in Tri Talk ... not much gets me riled up, but it really burns me when this stupid misrepresented crap makes TV and there are such horrifying or other attention-warranting situations going on in our country and worldwide.
2009-03-28 8:13 PM
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ChineseDemocracy - 2009-03-28 6:38 PM
DerekL - 2009-03-28 4:10 PM

ChineseDemocracy - 2009-03-28 2:48 PM If anything, it's a good reminder for everybody to get seen by a good doctor who can catch some of these cardiac issues before they make you go kaput anywhere.

I hate to be a downer here, but the majority of pre-existing conditions wouldn't be caught by any sort of routine medical screening.  It's not about being a "good" or "bad" doctor.  You just don't go around screening people with fairly invasive and/or expensive tests for routine activity.

True, but I don't believe I advocated invasive or expensive tests. A routine physical should be able to rule some problems out though, and it can't hurt to have a little peace of mind...especially when pursuing triathlon goals.

Well, for most people without a history of chest pain, irregular heart beats, or fainting, who are under 40 or so, a routine physical will not include an EKG.  And for most people who do get an EKG, they will not have more extensive radiological studies of the blood vessels of the heart.  So if you can have "peace of mind" from the doctor just listening to your heart and the vessels of the neck (for sounds of turbulence, a sign of possible blockage in those vessels) without having had symptoms, sure, go for it. 

On the other hand, if you have been a couch potato your whole life, have a bad family history, or have had chest pain or fainting, you should definitely see your physician. 

2009-03-28 8:24 PM
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I think I'd better get my mother's cable cut off or something.  If she hears this stuff on the news, I'll never hear the end of it.
2009-03-28 8:24 PM
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OK, let's review...  All my favorite foods will kill me.  Coffee will kill me.  Beer will kill me.  Then the news was that marathons would kill me.  Now, it's tris that will kill me.

Spectacular!!

Now, are tris going to end up on the list of sports that my insurer won't allow me to do????

 

2009-03-28 8:32 PM
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I lost one of my best friends in early February. NO warning. No problems, complete physical in January. Cause of death yet to be determined. He was training for his 2nd IM and Boston. Don't want to tell you how many comments I've heard regarding "if he wasn't training so hard" He ran 20 miles the day before he died. Did that kill him, no. Do triathlons kill people, no. It just happens to be where there are when it's their time.

Last year a friend of mine lost a friend at a tri I participated in. Died during the swim. Were they upset, yes. Was it the triathlons fault, nobody can say. The even doesn't cause the death, it is just a factor in the equation.

I don't mean to sound uncaring, I'm not. But the media should stop blaming the sport without the facts.


2009-03-28 9:18 PM
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BodyCheck - 2009-03-28 9:24 PM

OK, let's review... All my favorite foods will kill me. Coffee will kill me. Beer will kill me. Then the news was that marathons would kill me. Now, it's tris that will kill me.

Spectacular!!

Now, are tris going to end up on the list of sports that my insurer won't allow me to do????

 

The last I checked... the death rate was STILL constant for everybody... 100%...  

2009-03-28 9:40 PM
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akustix - 2009-03-28 9:18 PM
BodyCheck - 2009-03-28 9:24 PM

OK, let's review... All my favorite foods will kill me. Coffee will kill me. Beer will kill me. Then the news was that marathons would kill me. Now, it's tris that will kill me.

Spectacular!!

Now, are tris going to end up on the list of sports that my insurer won't allow me to do????

 

The last I checked... the death rate was STILL constant for everybody... 100%...  

Doesn't that Jesus thing make it something like 99.999999999999999999999.....%?

2009-03-28 9:53 PM
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1stTimeTri - 2009-03-28 10:40 PM
akustix - 2009-03-28 9:18 PM
BodyCheck - 2009-03-28 9:24 PM

OK, let's review... All my favorite foods will kill me. Coffee will kill me. Beer will kill me. Then the news was that marathons would kill me. Now, it's tris that will kill me.

Spectacular!!

Now, are tris going to end up on the list of sports that my insurer won't allow me to do????

 

The last I checked... the death rate was STILL constant for everybody... 100%...

Doesn't that Jesus thing make it something like 99.999999999999999999999.....%?

nope... he died too...

It's Elijah and Enoch that mess up the percentages... but those might just be statistical anomalies...  

2009-03-29 4:46 AM
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katherinel - 2009-03-28 9:24 PM I think I'd better get my mother's cable cut off or something.  If she hears this stuff on the news, I'll never hear the end of it.

I agree with this MY HUSBAND would do this to me if he hear's it or see it.

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