Why Don't I Like It More?
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2009-05-05 3:06 PM |
Subject: Why Don't I Like It More? So it's not a secret that I have a love-hate(mostly hate) relationship with my bike. When I got it, it was so pretty and new and fun. I was kinda scared of it, but I figured I'd grow to love it. I rode a bike ALL the time as a kid, which I liked. Biking was happy memories. I got clipless pedals after about a month, and adjusted to those quite easily, actually. They don't scare me. I did a century ride last year, and that was pretty fun, even though I am slow as crap. But somewhere in there, I ended up disliking the bike. First of all, I'm terrified of going downhill. I KNOW that it's something I have to practice, but the more I do, the WORSE my fear gets, not better. I feel like I am going to lose control of the bike because I'll go so fast and the bike will fly out from under me. I know logically, that's not going to happen. I get that. But it still doesn't change the way I feel inside about it. Same with cornering - I KNOW that the laws of physics will keep me from crashing, but I still feel really uneasy doing it and have to take big, wide turns. I've had a proper bike fit, so it's not as if there's something wrong with the bike. I ride a fairly decent bike - it's a road bike, lower end, but not the lowest of the low. But no matter what I don't get any faster. And I know that I don't ride enough, and I KNOW that "the trainer is not like riding on the road", but I KNOW people who've spent the entire winter on the trainer like I did and got much better. And considering the fact that I am so weak, I figured that it would help SOME. But it didn't - at all. So I also have to wonder if maybe I'm just not built for cycling. But even if I DID want to ride more to get better, I don't WANT to ride more because it scares me. And now I've had my seat raised and I can't get off the bike without standing up on either the right pedal or putting my right foot down - which I'm afraid I'm going to topple over, because my right leg is much weak and I don't trust it to put that much weight on it. I always dismount to the left. I want to be a better triathlete. I do. I'm a good swimmer and a good runner. And I like the sport itself. But I just wonder if maybe I'm not cut out for it. I knw that the fear thing is mental, and I feel really weak and pathetic that I can't make myself get over it, but I don't know what else to do. Forcing myself to ride hills made it worse. And even if I got over the fear part, there's no guarantee that I'm going to get any stronger. Should I maybe just quit the sport and stick to running races and swim for cross-training? Seriously, is there any point? ETA: When I started running, I HATED it. HATED it with a passion. Now I love it. So that's what I don't get. Biking is supposed to be more fun than running. Edited by wurkit_gurl 2009-05-05 3:13 PM |
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2009-05-05 3:10 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Slower Than You 9566 Cracklantaburbs | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? Getting faster hurts. Don't be afraid of roadie group rides, either. They'll make you fast in a hurry. You should be able to find a "no drop" ride in your area. Also, you liked riding the centuries, charity rides, etc. Try to look at training rides as something other than training. Stop and smell the roses in between intervals and such. ETA: I hate running. I mean HATE HATE HATE running. After a year of HTFUing the run training, it ain't so bad anymore. Heck, I might even say I like it, but I won't. Edited by bcart1991 2009-05-05 3:11 PM |
2009-05-05 3:11 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Expert 755 SF-Bay Area | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? Ride more and ride for fun. Ride your bike for errands around town. The more you ride, the more comfortable you'll get. I can descend fast on straightaways, but I still am not comfortable on fast, twisty descents. I swear I'm getting carpel-tunnel from squeezing my brakes so hard. You're not alone. Thankfully, most tri courses aren't that hilly. |
2009-05-05 3:12 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Master 2009 Charlotte, NC | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? I feel the same way about fast downhills and cornering. I make these large, sweeping turns, I am sure I look ridiculous. |
2009-05-05 3:14 PM in reply to: #2132171 |
Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? guncollector - 2009-05-05 4:11 PM Ride more and ride for fun. Ride your bike for errands around town. The more you ride, the more comfortable you'll get. That's the only problem with where I live and work - it's not very safe to bike-commute. Way too heavily trafficked. I would if I could, trust me. I've done it before when I lived places that were more bike-friendly. |
2009-05-05 3:17 PM in reply to: #2132171 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? I found a new love for biking... My secret? Having fun with it... I was getting SO tired of just getting out and following the letter of the law when it came to my plan. x minutes of tempo then x minutes of rest for such and such length at such and such HR. It was a CHORE!!! Hated it! Then I realized that if I MTN bike, even if the workout is not structured, I was still getting the time in each of my HR zones if not MORE time. I realized if I got out of the saddle to really attack a hill for fun instead of staying seated and "staying in Z2" because the plan said so, I had more fun. I realized that a spin class was even HARDER than doing a set of specific intervals or whatever the plan called for. When I broke free from the shackels of the plan, biking became fun again. I ride for the joy of riding... I ride like a kid now. No worries about how long I do it and what HR zone I am in... |
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2009-05-05 3:25 PM in reply to: #2132183 |
Champion 10019 , Minnesota | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? I heartily agree with the idea of looking for fun rides. I love to bike and I'm glad for that, but I can see how I'd really hate it if I had to use the trainer more. I just decided to not really bike much over the winter and I'm no worse for it When I ride now, I don't bother with intervals or whatever. I just ride long distances and attack the occasional hill. I spend time enjoying the scenery. If you're in a busy area, I assume you often drive to your ride locations. I hope you have access to somewhere pretty. I know you've been fit to your bike, but I wonder if your bike is too big for you. I suspect you feel a little out of control (thus making the hills scary, etc) and it's due to the bike being too large. I went to several bike shops where they insisted on trying me on a 56 cm bike and it wasn't until I tried a much smaller bike that it CLICKED. They would have done a professional fit on those bikes and worked like mad to ensure that I felt like I'd been "fit." But if the bike itself doesn't fit, there's only so much to do. I also felt there was a magical place where going fast became easier than grinding away and going slower. The momentum. I know I need to work to get to that place in the early season. For whatever reason going 15 mph just sucks more than flying along at 18-22. Something to look forward to!? |
2009-05-05 3:25 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Master 1678 Olney, MD | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? Do you have your bike computer set to show your speed? If so, try turning it off. I have mine showing distance and cadence. It really helps me not knowing how fast I'm going downhill. |
2009-05-05 3:27 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? People have already sort of touched on it but I'll say it as well. You are riding because you feel (know) it is necessary for your training as a triathlete. It is "work" and is being approached as such. It is not enjoyable and you don't like it so much because it isn't fun. I can't tell you how to make it fun, but the moment you stop thinking of it as "work" and more as "play" then it will get better and you will get faster. When you get to the point where you are riding a mountain bike from home to a stadium to meet friends and tailgate (to a game you don't even have tickets to) and one of your other friends also brought their bike and then 6 drunk guys decide that doing a mountain bike relay up and down the parking lot with a beer guzzle at the end of each relay leg ...... that's when you realize that cycling is fun and you love it!! (Considering all 6 were amateur road and mountain bike racers it got REALLY competitive really fast but was an absolute blast and reminded me how much I loved cycling. ) |
2009-05-05 3:29 PM in reply to: #2132218 |
Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? vball03umd - 2009-05-05 4:25 PM Do you have your bike computer set to show your speed? If so, try turning it off. I have mine showing distance and cadence. It really helps me not knowing how fast I'm going downhill. I've tried not looking at it (flipping it around on teh handlebars or whatever), but it's a feeling that I get - I'll even look down and see that I wasn't really going THAT fast - but it sure as heck felt like I was. I don't know what to do about it I like going fast when I'm running. But fast cars and bikes scare me. Like I said, I feel really pathetic for being unreasonably afraid when it seems as though no one else really has that problem. It's bad - I mean, like I'll freeze up and have to get off my bike, on hills that to most people aren't really even hills. I can push 25mph on a flat (or a very slight descent) and be fine. But I don't know. |
2009-05-05 3:29 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Master 1572 PA | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? Hey girl! I'm with you in a lot of respects. I don't really like the bike. And I don't really like the run. And i'm just not sure yet that i even like this sport. But somewhere in there I've found some satisfaction in doing something that is just flat out hard for me. Hard physically, hard mentally. So much in life has come fairly easy to me. I've had to work at things, but I typically pick them up pretty quickly and can at least hold my own, careers, whatever. For once, I am working my tail off and just not that good. I have listened to soooooooooooo many people say it gets better, for both cycling and running. So, I've decided to go all in. I've committed to consistent training on both (and signed up for races i really am not ready for to use fear as a motivator). And if in a few years it's still just not my thing, then I'll be ok walking away knowing that it didn't get better for me, but that I gave it 150% effort for a long enough period of time to really see. |
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2009-05-05 3:29 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Veteran 192 Southern California | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? Try getting a mtn bike and doing some trail rides, if you can. That will really build your bike handling skills and confidence. It will also get you more bike time while changing things up. I do more trail riding when the road rides start to feel too much like work. On the road side, try finding some places to ride that offer things that will help out your issues. A bike path that you can safely practice the dismounting out of harms way. Find some short hills and do them repeatedly until you know every crack, turn and bump. Then do them faster and faster, going back up them would be a good workout too. Once you know these hills your confidence will grow and you can move up a notch to steeper/longer hills. Again find a place that is very safe to do these so you have less things to worry about. Drive to these places if you have to, even if it is a bit of a haul. Experience and confidence will really make a difference. Just take the small steps and build on the successes. |
2009-05-05 3:30 PM in reply to: #2132217 |
Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? BikerGrrrl - 2009-05-05 4:25 PM I know you've been fit to your bike, but I wonder if your bike is too big for you. I suspect you feel a little out of control (thus making the hills scary, etc) and it's due to the bike being too large. I went to several bike shops where they insisted on trying me on a 56 cm bike and it wasn't until I tried a much smaller bike that it CLICKED. They would have done a professional fit on those bikes and worked like mad to ensure that I felt like I'd been "fit." But if the bike itself doesn't fit, there's only so much to do. I've asked that to several different guys at a few different bike shops - all of them said 'no'. |
2009-05-05 3:39 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? There may be a truly psychological phobia of speed involved, which is 100% understandable - especially since you mentioned not liking faster cars. Speed is even more pronounced on a bike since you are exposed to every element and ripple in the road that you wouldn't notice in a car. Perhaps some mental techniques to help you feel more relaxed? I don't know what to suggest and I'd never presume to advocate something I know little to nothing about. But if there is some deep rooted mental block to speed, then maybe there is someone you can work with to get over it? I'm not trying to be coy or anything like that. I'd really like to see you get to the point where you enjoy riding. |
2009-05-05 3:40 PM in reply to: #2132238 |
Champion 10019 , Minnesota | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? I went to about 5 bike shops before I have my epiphany. Everyone said 54 or 56. Epiphany bike is a 52 cm road bike. Fast forward 3 years and I'm riding a 49 cm tri bike. Average bike shop dude doesn't necessarily understand petite woman triathlete. I won't argue this point because I know it can be subjective, but I could consider at least trying out a small bike and see if you feel differently. wurkit_gurl - 2009-05-05 3:30 PM BikerGrrrl - 2009-05-05 4:25 PM I know you've been fit to your bike, but I wonder if your bike is too big for you. I suspect you feel a little out of control (thus making the hills scary, etc) and it's due to the bike being too large. I went to several bike shops where they insisted on trying me on a 56 cm bike and it wasn't until I tried a much smaller bike that it CLICKED. They would have done a professional fit on those bikes and worked like mad to ensure that I felt like I'd been "fit." But if the bike itself doesn't fit, there's only so much to do. I've asked that to several different guys at a few different bike shops - all of them said 'no'. |
2009-05-05 3:44 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Master 1572 PA | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? One more thing I thought of....the rides that have gone 'better' for me. I went as slow as i wanted. Biked with zero leg burn. Biked with a slow cadence. Literally like i was touring and nothing else. There was zero pushing. I didn't care if i was in the granny gear on a flat. If nothing else it was a mental boost to say, 'eh, not so bad. i didn't hate it!'. |
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2009-05-05 3:45 PM in reply to: #2132257 |
Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? Daremo - 2009-05-05 4:39 PM There may be a truly psychological phobia of speed involved, which is 100% understandable - especially since you mentioned not liking faster cars. Speed is even more pronounced on a bike since you are exposed to every element and ripple in the road that you wouldn't notice in a car. Perhaps some mental techniques to help you feel more relaxed? I don't know what to suggest and I'd never presume to advocate something I know little to nothing about. But if there is some deep rooted mental block to speed, then maybe there is someone you can work with to get over it? I'm not trying to be coy or anything like that. I'd really like to see you get to the point where you enjoy riding. No, you're not being coy - that's what I wonder, too, if there's something mentally wrong . If it's some sort of deep-seated fear that my neurotic mother or something instilled in me as a child (she wouldn't let me do gymnastics as a kid because she thought I'd break my neck, so god only knows what else she said to me). I don't remember being traumatized by speed as a child. If I'm driving on the interstate, I'll go 80 if I can, but if the road is super-curvy and such, I slow down a bit, and if I'm a passenger in a car with someone who's driving faster than they should, it makes me uneasy. It's much less noticeable as it is with the bike, but it's still there. Edited by wurkit_gurl 2009-05-05 4:00 PM |
2009-05-05 3:47 PM in reply to: #2132257 |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? Daremo - 2009-05-05 3:39 PM There may be a truly psychological phobia of speed involved, which is 100% understandable - especially since you mentioned not liking faster cars. Speed is even more pronounced on a bike since you are exposed to every element and ripple in the road that you wouldn't notice in a car. Perhaps some mental techniques to help you feel more relaxed? I don't know what to suggest and I'd never presume to advocate something I know little to nothing about. But if there is some deep rooted mental block to speed, then maybe there is someone you can work with to get over it? I'm not trying to be coy or anything like that. I'd really like to see you get to the point where you enjoy riding. This is an interesting point. One of my tri-girlfriends is a sports psychologist. We had a hefty conversation a few weeks ago about my own bike insecurities and I realized that 100% of it is purely mental. Maybe there is someone you can talk to like this who can give you some things to think about or mental exercises? |
2009-05-05 4:01 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? The bike race team I belong to has a series of classes that include two seminars and 4 3 hour sessions on your bike that help folks learn some of those skills you worry about as well as bike racing skills. Cornering is a technique issue some folks it comes naturally to and others need to learn it. Cornering going fast down hill is another aspect of that. I took the class last year and learned a lot. In the group of about 15 women I was one or two that had naturally over time figured much of the stuff they taught out most didn't naturally do what was best. I did ride a road bike a lot as a kid and maybe that is part of it. I share that to show some skills are not natural for many folks. Cornering is putting opposite foot down and inside leg up. Many do that without thinking about it but many don't. Descending do you scoot your bum back a smidgen on the saddle and slightly put your weight back a bit? If you have a road bike hold handlebars so you can brake if needed if you ride a tri bike holding bullhorns is wise. I wonder if a skills based class would help you learn to be more comfortable on your bike or if you couldn't find something like that riding with a kind more experience rider. We all have a fear speed for going down hills. It varies by person but we all have it. I love going down hills but I know plenty of women that won't do certain races not for the up hills but fear of the down hills. My fear speed down hill is quite high but that is me and I love descending. Sounds to me that you need some instruction, some positive experience and some positive self talk. If you lived by me I'd go riding with you. Hope it becomes better because being a biker chick is the best Edited by KathyG 2009-05-05 4:02 PM |
2009-05-05 4:08 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? Haven't read all the responses.. so someone may of already brought it up Tried riding with a competitive roadie weekend club ride? Way more fun than just going riding! Plus your bike handling skills will improve and you will be more comfortable handling your bike is all situations. |
2009-05-05 4:13 PM in reply to: #2132307 |
Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? KathyG - 2009-05-05 5:01 PM Cornering is putting opposite foot down and inside leg up. Many do that without thinking about it but many don't. Descending do you scoot your bum back a smidgen on the saddle and slightly put your weight back a bit? If you have a road bike hold handlebars so you can brake if needed if you ride a tri bike holding bullhorns is wise. I wonder if a skills based class would help you learn to be more comfortable on your bike or if you couldn't find something like that riding with a kind more experience rider. Sounds to me that you need some instruction, some positive experience and some positive self talk. If you lived by me I'd go riding with you. See, I know all of the technique things I'm SUPPOSED to do, but I can't actually get myself to DO them when it comes time to do so. I'm not even going ot bother buying a tri bike unless I become VERY good on the road bike - which could be never! I generally don't ride with people because I don't have anyone who rides at my speed, or is WILLING to ride at my speed. I'm not going to make my friends bag their workout, so they can watch me struggle up a slight incline at 12 mph. I go from 20 mph on a slight downhill to barely 12 on the tiniest incline. So I get dropped. I'm on a tri team, but so far I haven't been able to make any of the outdoor group rides because it's either been raining, or I've had to be somewhere else, and over the winter it was just too damned cold. |
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2009-05-05 4:16 PM in reply to: #2132319 |
Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? smilford - 2009-05-05 5:08 PM Haven't read all the responses.. so someone may of already brought it up Tried riding with a competitive roadie weekend club ride? Way more fun than just going riding! Plus your bike handling skills will improve and you will be more comfortable handling your bike is all situations. I don't think some of you understand JUST how inconsistent I am with speed. The slightest incline kills me, like slows me down up to a 10mph-drop. I could never keep with with a bunch of roadies. And as far as I know there are no roadie groups around here that cater to newbies - even if they SAY they do, I've spoken to a few people who've rode with these groups who say it isn't true and that "no-drop" doesn't really mean "no-drop". Edited by wurkit_gurl 2009-05-05 4:17 PM |
2009-05-05 4:18 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Expert 745 Bethesda, MD/Northern NJ | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? I feel like I wrote this post myself... I am coming from a running background - I ran and swam in high school, so I feel like if there was an 'aqua-run' race, I'd be in business I got my Specialized Dolce (I think you have the same bike!) back in January. I live in the same metro area as you - and its also very difficult for me to get outside and ride because of the traffic. If I want to ride outside, I honestly have to strap my bike to the back of my little civic and drive to somewhere where it's safe. So it doesn't happen all that often during the week and I end up on the trainer a lot. Which doesn't really help anything.... I am also FREAKED OUT by downhills. I actually had to quit downhill skiing because I am so terrified of going fast downhill. Going fast and downhill honestly just isn't for me... Oddly enough though - I LOVE going uphill. I did a local sprint here a few weeks ago, and I would consistently pass everyone on the uphill, to have everyone pass me again on the downhill as I clung to my brakes... Not so good. I also just got the aerobars installed and those are a huge mental challenge for me - getting low and kind of feeling just a little bit more out of control. I guess I don't have much advice - I'm really slowly learning to love my bike. I had a fantastic long ride this weekend, where - for the first time - I honestly thought that biking could be for me. There were few cars around and I was able to really use the aerobars outside for the first time. I'm also really slowly getting used to the other bike skills - like being able to take out my water bottle and drink without stopping. A few weeks ago, I did a race (Bassman) up in NJ - it was super hot outside, and I was dying for a drink on the bike. But I was too freaked out to reach down and pull out my bottle, so I waited until I got to mile 20 (of 29). Then I completely stopped my bike, unclipped, and stood there for a minute while I drank a ton of water. Kinda lame... haha. I really think a lot of group rides is the key to enjoying this. I went out this weekend with a few people from here - and while they're 10000x faster than me, they hung with me for the first few miles and waited for me at rest stops which was fun. I don't know - I'll be watching this thread closely. Good luck! Edited by ThatGirl 2009-05-05 4:26 PM |
2009-05-05 4:23 PM in reply to: #2132157 |
Expert 745 Bethesda, MD/Northern NJ | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? Oh, thought I'd add. There is a little neighborhood around here with a uphill/downhill loop. Sometimes, I'll just take my bike over there and do the loop over and over to try and get comfortable with the downhills. I'll challenge myself to make it 'just to the next mailbox' without touching the brakes. It's really really hard for me. I'm still not comfortable with it yet. But I don't know how else to do it. |
2009-05-05 4:24 PM in reply to: #2132340 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Why Don't I Like It More? wurkit_gurl - 2009-05-05 4:16 PM I don't think some of you understand JUST how inconsistent I am with speed. The slightest incline kills me, like slows me down up to a 10mph-drop. I could never keep with with a bunch of roadies. And as far as I know there are no roadie groups around here that cater to newbies - even if they SAY they do, I've spoken to a few people who've rode with these groups who say it isn't true and that "no-drop" doesn't really mean "no-drop". So? Go anyway. It sounds like it's exactly what you need, even if you are already talking your self out of it. That's how I started, I was flung off the back in 4 miles.. and that was on a easy day! It's tough love. It just made me want to go again next week even more. And you go back the next week, hang on for 10 miles. Go the next and hang on for 15 miles. People will notice your effort and start to give you tips for riding smarter in a group. What to look for, how to relax, when to relax.. etc.. Then before you know it you're riding 40-60 miles with them and loving it. |
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