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2009-06-10 7:34 PM

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Subject: Half Mary - minimum mileage to give it a try?
I have been running pretty low mileage (long runs of 6-7 miles) and have been logging only about 15-18 miles per week.  (BT logs not accurate). 


there is a half marathon next weeknd (June 20th) that I was thinking of trying.  Does this seem doable with my current mileage?  My pace for a 10K is about 9 minutes per mile on a flattish course.  I was hoping to do the 13.1 in about 2:15. 

I know that I am not prepared, but does this seem like a recipe for disaster/injury or something worth giving a try?  Is it realistic to take a minute off of my 10K pace to stretch to 13.1?


2009-06-10 7:40 PM
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Assuming proper training and build, then a "predictor" gives you:
Event100m200m400m500m800m1000m1500mMile2000m3000m2M4000m3M5000m
Time22.545.01:34.22:02.83:26.84:30.27:05.87:38.69:41.415:11.016:18.520:44.725:3126:29
Pace/Mile----------------7:47.88:08.78:09.38:20.78:308:31
Pace/K------------4:43.94:44.94:50.75:03.65:04.05:11.15:175:18
Event4M8000m5M10K15K10M20K13.1M15M25K30K20M25MMarathon
Time34:3843:3843:5355:001:25:141:32:091:55:582:02:232:21:092:27:202:59:123:13:484:04:184:18:07
Pace/Mile8:408:468:468:509:099:139:219:219:259:299:379:419:459:52
Pace/K5:235:275:275:295:415:435:495:495:515:545:596:016:046:08
But you have neither proper training or build to the distance.  Could you finish?  Sure, probably.  Running it for fun?  Then don't put any sort of time goal on it and go out and enjoy!

Then train properly for another one and attack it with gusto.
2009-06-10 7:52 PM
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At several 8s and at least one 10. You won't win, but you'll finish.
2009-06-10 8:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Half Mary - minimum mileage to give it a try?
this would be a "fun" run for me.  Mostly worried about finishing.  Not set on the finishing time.  I guess I will crank two more long runs this week and next and build to 9-10 miles and see how it feels. 


Anyone else do a half marathon with this little training.
2009-06-10 8:22 PM
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I suspect that with that low a mileage, you MAY be able to pull it off, but only if you're lucky. More likely is that you'll run out of steam at around mile 10, and lose a LOT on the final 3 miles. 

You'll definitely be able to finish though, if that's your goal. If you're shooting for a better time, definitely more miles.

Also - the Mcmillan Predictor that Daremo posted above was acquired by judging trainees that trained at about 70 miles per week (pure runners). For this group, it's close to accurate, even out to marathon distance, although there is more variation at the 26.2 mile distance due to conditions, course, etc.

Suffice to say, if you're not running 70mpw, your "predictors" drop off really, really fast. For example, I ran 35 mpw to get a 20:50 5k, which predicts a 3:20-3:30 marathon, but my marathon for that conditioning ended up 4:05, even with 45 mpw.

At 70mpw though, my 5k-10k-HM all lined up with the predictors remarkably well. Still a bit slower on the marathon.

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2009-06-10 8:24 PM
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Do they give awards for fattest finisher?  I'm 235, but could pack on some weight quick if needed.



2009-06-10 8:25 PM
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You actually might be competitive in the clydesdale division, believe it or not, if they have one.
2009-06-10 8:32 PM
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my first half marathon - i think the month before i peaked at about 55 miles or so, which is less than 14 mpw. . however, some weeks i had more, some less, and i did a couple 10 milers and one 11.5 miler. . the half was very difficult, and the last few miles were especially hard. . i did manage a 1:34, but it wasn't near what i could have done with proper training (2nd 1/2 marathon, 5.5 months later) was a 1:26, which was a big difference in pace.


could you do it? yes.  could you finish? most likely.  would it be easy? no - but then again, no races are ever easy, and if they are, you aren't going hard enough!!
2009-06-10 8:32 PM
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I just completed my first half-marathon last month.  I am a novice runner (my first 5K was 1-1/2 years ago).  I increased my long runs to 8-9 miles a few weeks before the event, and ran 10 miles twice.  I thought I would be prepared, since I read that you can finish a half-mary with only an 8-mile long run.  My goal was to "finish for fun", but I can tell you I finished--but it wasn't fun.  Those extra three miles were punishing.  I would recommend based on my personal experience, that you wait until you have more mileage in your shoes.  God luck with your decision.

2009-06-10 8:38 PM
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agarose2000 - 2009-06-10 9:25 PM You actually might be competitive in the clydesdale division, believe it or not, if they have one.


It has been my experience in running races that there is no such thing.

It is only multisport that designates larger sized athletes as such.
2009-06-10 8:46 PM
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For my first half, I managed it on similar mileage per week (little more towards the end). I did have, however,  a long build with a 12 mile run the week before (along with tri training).  It was hard, but not terrible.  You can do it, but I suspect it will really hurt from about mile 9 on.   Your goal pace is probably not realistic on this training.

I really really think you should not try to cram in a few long runs in the week!  Tapering versus cramming is always good.  How about a 9 or 10-miler this weekend?  Beyond that I say you've run out of time.  In fact, before my last half I wasn't able to get in my last long run and Daremo himself told me to bag it.  It was a good decision and I PRed by a long shot, because I was really fresh on race day.

There will be plenty of bigger folks at the race I am sure.  Half and full marathons attract all body types.  You will not be alone at the back of the pack, either.  Good luck and don't hurt yourself...



2009-06-10 8:53 PM
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Agree with Bikergrrl. I did my first half-marathon a month ago, and I don't run crazy weekly mileage normally. But I'd built up to and raced a 10-Miler a month before, so I just backed the long runs down to 8, I think, and then built to another 11, and then did the 13.1. So I had some longer runs in there that were all over 7 miles. A couple 8s, the 10-Mile race (harder effort), a 9, and the 11. I paced it evenly, and really only slowed down a bit over the last 2 miles because of a nasty headwind and some IT Band irritation that pops up once in awhile. I finished strong and felt pretty good, actually. It was a fun race. But I think that having "raced" the 10-Miler a month before was a big help. I now knew how to push it a bit on a longer run, so I was able to find a "cruise" speed that worked for the added 3.1 miles. Mentally, I'd done longer runs in the past (last summer), so I already knew what to expect in that regard. That helped too. To me, it didn't seem much longer than the 10-Miler. Since you haven't built up quite enough, it might be a little rough. And it's too late to do so now. If you're gonna do it, go slow and easy. And just consider it a glorified training run - that's what I did.   

2009-06-10 8:53 PM
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there is a 9 mile out and back from my home that I will do this weekend and see how I feel.   I believe that you are right about not trying to fit in another long run on the week of the race.  Right now I think that I will do the race unless this weekend's long run tells me otherwise.  I am not above walking if I have to. 

If my 9 mile long run is Sunday, what should I do running-wise for the rest of the week to race the 13.1 on Sat?

2009-06-10 9:04 PM
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For my first I twisted my ankle playing soccer so my running was limited for about 2 months. I did one 6 or 7 mile run and a 9 mile run before. Not ideal but I was able to finish fine.

Doing my next two was way different as I had trained better and been running longer.
2009-06-10 9:06 PM
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By defnition you cannot "taper" if you didn't build and peak.

Don't try to cram in any long runs - there is little benefit at this point.  Just add another run or two in the week if you can of similar distances to what you've been doing.  You will gain (a tiny bit) more by adding more runs than making one of your usual ones longer.
2009-06-10 9:24 PM
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I did.  I 'trained' 3 weeks for my first (and only, so far) half-mary.  Did a 2:15.  HURT LIKE H#@! for a week.   Decided I liked this racing stuff, and haven't turned back.  I did, however, start training!  Without a doubt, racing for 2 hours with no training was not a smart move, but I've got no regrets, it got me going.

I've since done a full mary, a half-iron and an oly.  With more training.  And, more success!  Cool


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I finished a half mary last weekend and my training regime was about 20-25 miles per week and I thought I was prepared.  I finished in 1:58 right at my 9 min mile goal but I died on the last mile.  I had 3 long runs of 12 miles also but I think I went out way too fast.  This was my first race and didn't know what to expect.  When people start passing you, look at your watch instead of them, stick to your plan (I didn't do that).....stick to your plan!!!  When I crossed the finish line, I said I would never do another one.  After a couple of beers and some food, i was already planning the next one.  I'd say go for it but at a slow pace and then pick it up at the end if you have anything left.
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2009-06-11 1:07 AM
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My wife did her first half mary on low total mileage per week (under 20 in general...along with swim and bike), but we did get her built to 12 miles by 4 weeks out from the race, with a couple other 10+ mile runs.  As others have already implied, the degree to which you're going to pay for undertraining is definitely in relation to how short your long runs are from the race distance.

In my case, I didn't run a half mary until after I'd already finished two marathons...but my long run for my first mary was only about 13.5 miles three weeks beforehand, longest previous runs were 10.3...and I was ready to quit by mile 12 of the race.  Miles 11 to 13.1 were awful.  (And it got much worse the next 8.5 miles after that before I broke down and walked.)  So you can make it to the finish line undertrained, just be prepared for it to hurt more than you imagine it will.
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Daremo - 2009-06-10 8:38 PM
agarose2000 - 2009-06-10 9:25 PM You actually might be competitive in the clydesdale division, believe it or not, if they have one.


It has been my experience in running races that there is no such thing.

It is only multisport that designates larger sized athletes as such.


I've run a coupls marathons that have those divisions and actually done one (Austin 2003) as a clydesdale. But, yeah, they're rare.
2009-06-11 6:11 AM
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I've done one on pretty low MPW, biggest week was about 21 miles, but that was split between two runs, so one was 13, the other 8.  I did have two 10 mile runs and a 9 in there too though.  You can do it, but it might hurt for the next week. 


2009-06-11 6:17 AM
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My limited experience on running about 10ks mid week and 13-14 k runs at  the weekends a few weeks before the half mary, did me in good stead BUT. . . . . . it wasn't enough I should have probably had another days run in the weeks up to the race, I got to km 19 and fell apart. I finished but I was really at the end of my force.
Pay attention to mid race nutrition too. If you want to enjoy be patient. I am not expert, but I am learning that this lark is all about baby steps, not great big leaps... Be patient and self forgiving. There will be another half mary a few weeks later perhaps, if you look around and it might just give you 2 or 3 crucial weeks to adapt.
2009-06-11 7:29 AM
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d00d, i speak from experience when i say you're not going to enjoy that run with that weekly mileage.

i ran a half mary in november, with my longest run being a 10 miler a week and a half before, and my second longest run being an 8 miler, which was a week or two before that 10 miler. i think i was running about 15 miles per week at that time...

I finished the half mary (in a decent time, i might add), but it was not fun towards the end. my legs (especially knees) felt nuked. for the couple of days after that, i was hurting pretty good.

give it a try, if you must, but in my opinion, it is not going to be as enjoyable as it could be...


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2009-06-11 8:01 AM
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For my 1st ever half, I did one 9-miler and a few of 8-milers beforehand and I did fine.  I was pretty sore the next day, but not too bad.

I was completely clueless back then - wore cotton t-shirt and socks, didn't know anything about hydration and gu, didn't stretch, etc.  I joined a running group the following year and learned what I was supposed to have done. 
2009-06-11 8:52 AM
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I've only done one, many years ago when I was 15.

My long run back then was about 5 miles.  I didn't even expect to run the half, just cheer on my dad who was running it.

Anyway, just before the start, a buddy of mine dared me to sign up...which I foolishly did.

I remember throwing up my bacon & egg breakfast at the 1 mile mark, and completely dying at the 10 mile mark.  I basically walked the last three miles, and was sore for a week.

Fast forward 25 years, and I'm registered for my second half mary.. You better believe I'm extremely respectful of the distance and I'll be ready for it this time.

Good luck.

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