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 2010-02-26 6:54 PM |
Sensei  Sin City |  Subject: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data...Is there any? It seems like there should be. That data is THERE, and the calculations would be simple enough... There have been many times I look back and would like to know my average pace and/or ave. HR for a portion of a ride, but didn't press the lap button. I would think you could insert a 'lap' point at any place in your workout, and have the software figure that out... Today is perfect example. I did a long ride with a LONG climb in it but just let the Garmin run and never hit lap. I also made the mistake of driving away after the workout without turning it off and drove about 1.5 miles before realizing it. SO, I would like to put a point at the beginning of the climb, and at the end, to determine pace and HR for the climb itself, and also REMOVE the last 90 seconds... I know I could use the maps in Garmin Training Center to located the beginning and end of the climb and see the individual times and do the pace by hand, but not my average HR. Sport tracks? |
| 2010-02-26 7:04 PM in reply to: #2696308 |
Master  2380   Beijing | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... I don't have a garmin, so bear with me. Doesn't it save the files somewhere? Can't you just yank the file into Excel and do the calculations/modifications you want to do? |
| 2010-02-26 7:08 PM in reply to: #2696317 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... moondawg14 - 2010-02-26 5:04 PM I don't have a garmin, so bear with me. Doesn't it save the files somewhere? Can't you just yank the file into Excel and do the calculations/modifications you want to do? Good point. They may be in a format I can use... I just figured this would be a common enough issue that SOMEONE would have come up with it first. |
| 2010-02-26 7:19 PM in reply to: #2696308 |
Master 1584  Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... Kido - 2010-02-26 7:54 PM Is there any? It seems like there should be. That data is THERE, and the calculations would be simple enough... There have been many times I look back and would like to know my average pace and/or ave. HR for a portion of a ride, but didn't press the lap button. I would think you could insert a 'lap' point at any place in your workout, and have the software figure that out... Today is perfect example. I did a long ride with a LONG climb in it but just let the Garmin run and never hit lap. I also made the mistake of driving away after the workout without turning it off and drove about 1.5 miles before realizing it. SO, I would like to put a point at the beginning of the climb, and at the end, to determine pace and HR for the climb itself, and also REMOVE the last 90 seconds... I know I could use the maps in Garmin Training Center to located the beginning and end of the climb and see the individual times and do the pace by hand, but not my average HR. Sport tracks? If you use SportsTracks, you can seen the avg and max HR/pace/speed/cadence for certain portions of the workout. |
| 2010-02-26 7:19 PM in reply to: #2696308 |
Veteran 169 Oak Park, Il (Chicagoland) | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... The garmin data is stored in XML format. If you are familiar with XML, it should be easy to write your own application to grab that data. File extensions of the data are .tcx. Of course if you aren't a programmer, it might be a bit harder than what was mentioned above. |
| 2010-02-26 8:25 PM in reply to: #2696308 |
Pro 4909 Hailey, ID | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... http://home.trainingpeaks.com/wko-desktop-software/analysis-softwar... WKO by Training Peaks. or there are other softwares like it. Good stuff. |
| 2010-02-26 8:31 PM in reply to: #2696308 |
Pro 4343 Olney, MD | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... If you use a Mac, Ascent allows you select any part you want and get all the pertinent info for just that part. |
| 2010-02-26 8:37 PM in reply to: #2696308 |
Master 2381 Dallas, Texas | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... If you upload the Garmin data to Training Peaks then you can do the analysis you describe. It's really easy. TP shows the data vs time (or distance). Click, hold and drag over the part of the data you want to look at. TP calculates the avg, max, HR, pace, speed, etc. I don't have a power meter but I would guess TP would also do the analysis on power data also. As mentioned above, WKO+ probably does the same analysis at TP. |
| 2010-02-27 3:51 PM in reply to: #2696308 |
Veteran 300 Colfax, NC | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... I'll second Sporttracks. Mainly because it's free and can do a lot of stuff especially with the available plugins. I've never tried WKO. |
| 2010-02-27 4:36 PM in reply to: #2696415 |
Pro 3804 Seacoast, NH! | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... MDHillSlug - 2010-02-26 9:31 PM If you use a Mac, Ascent allows you select any part you want and get all the pertinent info for just that part. Forgive my ignorance, but how do you do this and is Ascent a free program? Do you grab the individual data file? Where the heck is it saving? For some reason I can't find it! |
| 2010-02-27 5:36 PM in reply to: #2696308 |
| Master 1963 | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... Sport tracks is probably the way to go. Using the charting at the bottom you can highlight a portion of the workout and determine averages and totals IIRC for just the highlighted portion. For the money (free), sport tracks is untouchable. |
| 2010-02-27 5:55 PM in reply to: #2697218 |
Pro 4343 Olney, MD | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... jgerbodegrant - 2010-02-27 5:36 PM MDHillSlug - 2010-02-26 9:31 PM If you use a Mac, Ascent allows you select any part you want and get all the pertinent info for just that part. Forgive my ignorance, but how do you do this and is Ascent a free program? Do you grab the individual data file? Where the heck is it saving? For some reason I can't find it! Ascent is a paid program. There's one view that shows graphs of speed, HR, cadence, etc, vs distance (or time) where you can select a point to start and then option-drag to another point and it will show you min, max, average, etc for that part. If you want the actual data file for an individual event you have to export it (File>Export). The cumulative data file is located in Ascent Data in Documents. |
| 2010-02-27 6:41 PM in reply to: #2696308 |
Master 2372 | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... Kido - 2010-02-26 6:54 PM Sport tracks? Decent, but for really digging into this type of data I find TopoFusion to be superior to anything else out there. In the type of application that you are looking for Sport Tracks really isn't the answer. The free version is completely capable (you are limited to three open files at a time). |
| 2010-02-27 6:53 PM in reply to: #2696308 |
Master 1704 Charlotte | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... Sporttracks will do that (and lots more) go to Heart Rate / Distance. Highlight the miles you want and it gives you avg hr. Sporttracks is really great. THere is tons you can do but sometimes you ahve to play around with it to figure out how to do it since there isn't a ton of documentation. Plus you can highlight a portion of your ride/run and hit copy and it automatically copies the behind the scenes data and allows you to paste into excel. Edited by bgraboski 2010-02-27 6:54 PM |
| 2010-03-01 1:34 PM in reply to: #2697374 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... Thanks. I loaded Sportracks when I first got the Garmin a couple years ago. Didn't like it, so didn't spend much time with it. Maybe time to look at it again. |
| 2010-03-01 1:42 PM in reply to: #2700331 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... Kido - 2010-03-01 2:34 PM Thanks. I loaded Sportracks when I first got the Garmin a couple years ago. Didn't like it, so didn't spend much time with it. Maybe time to look at it again. I'm right there with you. I like TC because I'm used to it but I wish it was easier to manipulate the data. Garmin hardware is nice but the TC software leaves a lot to be desired. I tried Sport tracks too but wasn't crazy about it. |
| 2010-03-24 4:09 AM in reply to: #2700360 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... UPDATE: |
| 2010-03-24 9:19 AM in reply to: #2696308 |
Expert 1049 Burnaby, BC | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... You can also try Golden Cheetah. It's more targeted to riders with power meters, but it's aiming to be a free replacement for WKO+. Unfortunately they don't seem to support running or swimming. |
| 2010-03-24 9:36 AM in reply to: #2744437 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... Kido - 2010-03-24 5:09 AM UPDATE: Great, now I'll have to look in to this. My biggest beef was the inability to create custom "laps" post ride/run. Looks like that's doable with the new Sport tracks |
| 2010-03-24 10:16 AM in reply to: #2744972 |
Master 1826 | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... mrbbrad - 2010-03-24 10:36 AM Kido - 2010-03-24 5:09 AM UPDATE: Great, now I'll have to look in to this. My biggest beef was the inability to create custom "laps" post ride/run. Looks like that's doable with the new Sport tracks It was also doable with old sports tracks. Been doing it for years |
| 2010-03-24 11:13 AM in reply to: #2745094 |
Expert 1049 Burnaby, BC | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... FeltonR.Nubbinsworth - 2010-03-24 8:16 AM mrbbrad - 2010-03-24 10:36 AM Kido - 2010-03-24 5:09 AM UPDATE: Great, now I'll have to look in to this. My biggest beef was the inability to create custom "laps" post ride/run. Looks like that's doable with the new Sport tracks It was also doable with old sports tracks. Been doing it for years Sporttracks is wonderfully intuitive software but has almost no help for an inexperienced user. I love the software and the way the interface works, but it works so differently from the Microsoft paradigm that it throws people off until someone shows them how to do it.
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| 2010-03-24 11:19 AM in reply to: #2745094 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... FeltonR.Nubbinsworth - 2010-03-24 8:16 AM mrbbrad - 2010-03-24 10:36 AM Kido - 2010-03-24 5:09 AM UPDATE: Great, now I'll have to look in to this. My biggest beef was the inability to create custom "laps" post ride/run. Looks like that's doable with the new Sport tracks It was also doable with old sports tracks. Been doing it for years I don't doubt it. But I will say this... FINDING stuff was hard, so I gave up the first time. I dedicated hours last night and found the tools I needed. My gripe (for a first time user) is that the interface is not a typical windows looking interface. You know, with the menu bar at the tope with file, edit, view, options, whatever... I could not find the lap info for workouts for the life of me. that's why I sh!tcanned it a couple years ago. But when I found the tiny little arrow under the summary box and realized you can show laps, pace, elevation, etc, it opened up for me and I found all the gadgets I needed. Once you can get you head around how it shows you information, I really like it. I was able to remove a portion of the ride that I forgot to turn the GPS off (and driving in the car). Add various laps/splits. It's great. |
| 2010-03-24 11:21 AM in reply to: #2745347 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... daijoubu - 2010-03-24 9:13 AM FeltonR.Nubbinsworth - 2010-03-24 8:16 AM mrbbrad - 2010-03-24 10:36 AM Kido - 2010-03-24 5:09 AM UPDATE: Great, now I'll have to look in to this. My biggest beef was the inability to create custom "laps" post ride/run. Looks like that's doable with the new Sport tracks It was also doable with old sports tracks. Been doing it for years Sporttracks is wonderfully intuitive software but has almost no help for an inexperienced user. I love the software and the way the interface works, but it works so differently from the Microsoft paradigm that it throws people off until someone shows them how to do it.
I found this to be 100% true. EXACTLY. Like I said above (before even reading your post), it took HOURS of clicking on every button, arrow, feature, etc to finally understand what's going on... Edited by Kido 2010-03-24 11:21 AM |
| 2010-03-24 11:27 AM in reply to: #2745381 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... Let me say, the editing of data is worth it's weight in gold with sport tracks. And on top of that? The fact you can overlay your routes on a street map, aerial, satellite, USGS maps, is AMAZING. So much better than the schematic that TC offers. Now I can get a good look at all my off road training. I also like that I can break up cycling workouts into races, road, trail... Types of run workout... Easier to go back and find similar workout to compare. Loving it right now. |
| 2010-03-24 11:32 AM in reply to: #2745394 |
Master 1584 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Software to Manipulate Garmin Data... Kido - 2010-03-24 12:27 PM Let me say, the editing of data is worth it's weight in gold with sport tracks. And on top of that? The fact you can overlay your routes on a street map, aerial, satellite, USGS maps, is AMAZING. So much better than the schematic that TC offers. Now I can get a good look at all my off road training. I also like that I can break up cycling workouts into races, road, trail... Types of run workout... Easier to go back and find similar workout to compare. Loving it right now. Welcome to the light side! :-) I'd love to put together a Garmin / Sportstracks FAQ, but just don't have the time. |
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